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Remember the saying 'Dont talk the talk, if you cant walk the walk' .. Her choice of word came across as patronising and big headed, i will put it down to her age. Does she want the thrill of winning, or just to jump large fences, looking at her record, which needs alot of improvement i cant see the point in changing from novice level, but if she wants to continue without improving her dressage, then go up a level and have the thrill and same sort of results as she is getting now. Whats the difference, by the sound of it she is in it for the thrill, not the winning feeling.
 
I agree actually and isn't that the whole point of eventing? Each phase is a challenge - some of you on here will fly round the XC, clear all the SJs and but for the b****y test would have been placed. For others it's the XC which is the problem and of course some have trouble SJ.
worMy, you obviously have problems with dressage and SJ too, so it sounds as if you have a lot of work to do if you expect to improve. Good luck.
 
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Remember the saying 'Dont talk the talk, if you cant walk the walk' .. Her choice of word came across as patronising and big headed, i will put it down to her age. Does she want the thrill of winning, or just to jump large fences, looking at her record, which needs alot of improvement i cant see the point in changing from novice level, but if she wants to continue without improving her dressage, then go up a level and have the thrill and same sort of results as she is getting now. Whats the difference, by the sound of it she is in it for the thrill, not the winning feeling.

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look im getting increadibly pissed off now
i have said and said and said again that my dressage and showjumping is pretty [****] at the moment, i am well aware of that which is why i am working on it.
and i have said and saiud and said again that i wont move up a level untill it is better. so read what i say or dont comment.
now althought my marks havnt really got better from intro, the tests get harder and the marking at novice dressage is sooooooo much harsher than at intro,,,so therefore you can see that therefore to be getting similar marks the dressage must have improved. and trust me it has,,we got 71% unaff dressage the other day, the judge came out and told me how loevlly it was. we got a 9 at gatcombe. so dont think we havnt been improving,,which we have.
 
also the sj has been improving, at our PC area i only had one down, at stonar ISODE we only had one down. they were both novice level.
it just seems to have gone slightly downhill at the end on the season.
but we have imrpoved, and we will improve, hopefully a lot more. and when we do , then we can go up a level.
but i wont go up a level until they do, because otherwise we will do badly and it will be embarrasing.
 
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and baydale if you had read any of the other pages, you would have realised that this winter all im doing is working on my dressage and showjumping and that ive sed i wont move up a level untill they are better. please get your facts right.

and for other people,,look at my record my name is katherine begley and my horse bourne belvedere, then you can see why we like xc, and why we cannot go up a level untill the dressage and showjumping is sorted. i appreciate your oppions, but not when they are ignorant of the facts.

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Sorry I find you rude and you sound very arrogant. I am pleased you are working on your other 2 phases to bring them upto standard. I am sure the course designers and TD's have a much better idea of whether their Novice courses are of "Novice height and technicality" than you.
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It sounds like you have been brought a very nice horse, and you are very lucky for that, but if you are getting round the XC so easily, then maybe working on your weaknesses and keeping quiet about the good bits for the time being will improve you as a "eventer" and not just someone who can get round a novice track on an experienced horse. Then you can go upto more challenging XC in an intermediate, when you are truly riding to Novice standard EVENTING and not just XC
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Good luck with the winter prep.
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well i find you ignorant and lacking details.
just because with this horse our sj and dressage aint amazing
doesnt mean im not at novice standard.
you know nuthing about me or my horse, hes very tricky to ride, hes very sencitive.
ive done plenty of novice standard eventing either unaff/pc/riding club or BD novice dressage--harder than BE novice, on other horses/past ponies very successfully.
so yeah im sure you find this rude and arrogant but im extremely pissed off, all i was asking was for good novice courses, and sure i used a wrong word but i appologised, this wasnt a post to lets have a go at wormy and tell her shes crap. so i thank the people who recomended some novice events.
and im not happy with all these people that have gone totally off track and OTT. so yes i sound rude and arrogant because im very upset and annoyed with people, who really should be nicer.
 
besides u say i shud work on my weaknesses I AM, and i keep saying I AM.
and i wasnt shouting about how good we may be at xc,,u lot have all sed that for yourselves or dragged it out of me. not that i think we're anything special at it,,its simply our strongest phase. i was just asking people who have done lots of events for some gd ones to do that play to our strenth, because this was my first season of BE, so i dont know about all the courses.
what its turned into is riddiculous :'(
 
I asked a perfectly civil question which didn't even merit a reply. Shall I repeat it?

So why are you fed up of doing novices with pathetic xc?

Shall I patronise you and give you multiple choice answers or can you reply to my question without resorting to bad language? I am curious as to whether you find the xc so boring as your horse is very good at it; or whether you think you will have more chance of being placed by default when many other competitors struggle with a course that you will find a piece of cake? I ask because I am interested to know what motivates you. Is it to improve on your previous performance, or to get a rosette, or to beat other people who you see as a similar level to yourself?

(I haven't looked at your record btw as a) we all know that these never tell the true story and b) frankly I can't be bothered.)
 
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I asked a perfectly civil question which didn't even merit a reply. Shall I repeat it?

So why are you fed up of doing novices with pathetic xc?

Shall I patronise you and give you multiple choice answers or can you reply to my question without resorting to bad language? I am curious as to whether you find the xc so boring as your horse is very good at it; or whether you think you will have more chance of being placed by default when many other competitors struggle with a course that you will find a piece of cake? I ask because I am interested to know what motivates you. Is it to improve on your previous performance, or to get a rosette, or to beat other people who you see as a similar level to yourself?

(I haven't looked at your record btw as a) we all know that these never tell the true story and b) frankly I can't be bothered.)

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i love xc, its my fave fase,
and i love to be challenged and i love completing a course clear that i was worried about and had some challenges..
not matter how 'easy' the course may be,,i still love doing it,,i just like to be challeneged by a harder xc.
and yes if its a hard xc,,i will do better because that is my fortey. its not to do with doing better by default,,xc is one of the parts of eventing, and it should be the main decider of places,,so if i go clear and get no time,,then thats not me doing well by default,,its me doing well because xc is my fortey. more so than maybe someone elses, whose fortey may be sj..

its not about beating people, its just about doing well,,improving on my last position and having fun.
 
Again, stop being so sensitive and actually read what is being witten without taking what you want out of the replies.

I find you rude and arrogant from the post that I quoted back to you. The people you have "rubbished" are far better than you and I could ever hope to be, so comments like "get your facts right" arent helpful and wont make you any friends at all.

I didnt once say you werent capable of riding at Novice standard, obviously you are, but as of yet you are not competitive at the level, as admitted by yourself
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Now by the sounds of things you have the basis to do very well, and as I said in my post "Good luck with the winter preperation"
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I think the reason people have got annoyed is because you have basically said, because one area you are strongest at you feel it is "too easy" and have basically rubbished some good standard tracks. What people are basically saying, is instead of rubbishing the tracks, work on the bits you find not so easy (which you are, so good on you) so you can be competitive and do well whatever the standard of the Dr, Sjing, XC etc at any event. It would be lovely if we could pick events to match our good points, personally I would like Intermediate level Dr, Intro Sjing and PN XC, but it aint going to happen
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Chill out, people arent getting directly at you personally, they are merely reacting to what you have written. Being rude and aggressive doesnt win you any favours, people do generally want to help.

As I said originally, good luck with your winter prep.
 
i havnt 'rubbished' anyone,,
i dont even get what u mean by that..

i also dont think ive rubbished some good standard novice tracks, ive just sed i feel that those novice tracks,althought very nice and very well built are 'softer' tracks,,,which is why i want to find some tougher ones.

even if they havnt ment to get at me personally,,thats what its felt like, and ive also just been reacting to whats been written..

but anyway
thanx
 
Looking at your horses record I would say he isn't a natural SJer or Dressage horse - you aren't doing any worse than the guy that rode him first
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Longleat is quite tricky and West Wilts can have the odd nasty thing in it.
 
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Looking at your horses record I would say he isn't a natural SJer or Dressage horse - you aren't doing any worse than the guy that rode him first
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well i am doing a lot worse than he did with belv in 07.
and thanx for the tips
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I'd say if you're serious about findining a tougher novice XC, go to Gt Witchingham. It'll be quite far for you, but they do a two day novice, it's big, it's reasonably technical, and pretty much intermediate standard. The SJ is usually up to height too. By doing the two day it'll break the journey up for you, or you could always find stabling half way along your journey.

They do a spring and summer one.
 
See, W pony did the Gt Witch Spring ordinary Novice as a first one, having said that she was one of only 2 in the JRN to go DC, but had so much time as B didn't know how fast to go that she wasn't placed.

Gt Witch is often used as a PC Area tet course and as such we have never found it a difficult track, I suppose familiarity breeds contempt.
 
Thistle - I know there were a lot of comments at the summer one, and the time was pretty much impossible, partic in the PN [which was v big and technical, two bounce steps up to bounce roll top with drop, testing water, big steeplechase with ditch, TC said more Nov than PN]. Certainly made the most of the dimensions & rules at Novice.
 
See i would of said Gt Witch was a nice one, its big but fairly straightforward, a good galloping course, but if you have a bold horse, there wasn't much thats testing, i did it as a 14yr old as my first event on a pony, and he jumped clear happily round the novice, and looking at it this year, thought it was a nice first one for couple of my youngsters, i heard keysoe was stiffened up a lot in the autumn, may be one to try, has nice big arena for sj too
 
now i am no eventer and consider the open at downhouse big and scary and the novice at stratford hills my limit!!! (yes i know im a wuss) but I am a showjumper and have jumped all mannor or tracks and what determines "pathertic" or "soft" surely is determined by your exposure at the various levels and the results produced within those. Because a "tough" course for my novice right now would be the 1ft6 CR at Norton Heath and for the bay mare would be the 110 ametur....
 
Tougher /Beefier (excellent word I reckon!) Novice XC you want? Just big or are you wanting more technical too?
Brightling, up to height (or certainly was in my Sussex days
Eridge, ditto
Cleobury Mortimer - not ridden in comp but sure schools big!
Dauntsey - the PN was large - the Nov even bigger!
MMorrell - nice and flowing but the odd question
Chepstow - ditto dauntsey

Nice ones for you to avoid (they are Nov height they have to be but I would suggest them as being kinder on more novicey horses/rider combinations. Sapey (fab!), Berrington (lovely!) , Cheltenham (Nov is mostly PN), Somerford, Belmont, Broadway, & Rodbaston ( I like them for schooling and im a muppet!)
 
I disagree with Cheltenham, the PN shared some of the more simple fences, but there were some decent questions and some big fences in places. A bit inconsistent as some of it was a lot smaller, but defintiely a good test and a tight xc time as well if I remember rightly.

There is another example though of what I thought was straightforward - Moreton Morrell and what I thought being a bit more technical - Cheltenham, someone else thinks the opposite!
 
Oh dear! How to alienate yourself in one easy post. I have read this from the beginning - a lesson in engaging brain before committing the keyboard fingers to immortality on the forum,I think?
 
now i have read most of the comments people have left and i think so people are been very silly in what they have written about what worMy said.
I cant understand why many people have overreacted over her use of words!! If you ask me you are all having a go at her for saying "pathetic" when many of you are infact being pathetic yourself.
Some people who left a mean comment might be adults...so why are you acting like a 14 year old girl ...GROW UP!!!


worMy dont let these pathetic people get u mad as you have done nothing wrong and it shows they have nothing better to do in their life but be horrible to a person they hav never met in their life!
 
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sorry but GET over yourself!!
how pathetic.....i cant understand why some people are so mean
this person has too much time on their hands!
 
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now i have read most of the comments people have left and i think so people are been very silly in what they have written about what worMy said.
I cant understand why many people have overreacted over her use of words!! If you ask me you are all having a go at her for saying "pathetic" when many of you are infact being pathetic yourself.
Some people who left a mean comment might be adults...so why are you acting like a 14 year old girl ...GROW UP!!!


worMy dont let these pathetic people get u mad as you have done nothing wrong and it shows they have nothing better to do in their life but be horrible to a person they hav never met in their life!

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Might you be a friend of WorMy's by any chance?
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it does not matter if i was a friend or not i still think it is wrong how people have been so mean over such a stupid think! do you not agree?
 
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it does not matter if i was a friend or not i still think it is wrong how people have been so mean over such a stupid think! do you not agree?

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I will take that as a 'yes' then
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I have to say though that I dont agree that people have been "mean" to WorMy in this thread. My personal view - not speaking for anyone else - is that the OP was badly phrased and came across as incredibly arrogant, and people pretty much all responded in an appropriate manner. Others who are far more experienced than I have offered some good thoughts on the matter!

I do understand WorMy's frustration with people not reading the whole thread, and responding on points which she had already covered
 
yeah im sorry,,,i have calmed down now,
i did sound very rude ( i have re read the stuff) but it was, as you say, becuase i got so frustrated with people repeating stuff that i had already said!!!! lol
and that i had apologised but still had people having a go at me for it!!! lol

anyway, thanx for the event suggestions guys!!!!
and train_robbers--bigger beafier AND more technical!!
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sorry but GET over yourself!!
how pathetic.....i cant understand why some people are so mean
this person has too much time on their hands!

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and you were the one stating immaturity? I think groom42 has been quite simple there, and I think it could apply to anyone who has posted on this thread - OP or not. We do have to think about what we type, and read it in every which way possible before posting, as it may come across differently to what we intended. I think you are the one being immature here, as groom42 was merely pointing out a very concise and actually sensible point. And I think [again it may be the way i interpret it, that she was saying it quite kindly and would have said it with a slight smile, not to put worMy down.
 
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