groom beating up spoilt pony

Masblacklab yes I am and the young groom should have said to her boss she couldn't cope or had little knowledge of how to cope with said pony, also those in livery how do you know how knowledgable are the people looking after your horse, as reading many post on here about Full liveries and horses either been neglected/not looked after how owner want's etc:- how do you know that your horse isn't been badly treated behind your back?
 
RaynerK said:
But if your horse did something dangerous like tried to flatten you whilst turning out or he kicked you, what would be your reaction, that's the question??
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You do what is necessary to clear yourself of danger.

You certainly don't then proceed to beat said animal to the floor...
 
We do all get that the OP in the thread EB mentions didn't beat the pony to the ground right?

Because if I were that OP I would be pretty distressed reading this...
 
Jesstickle said:
We do all get that the OP in the thread EB mentions didn't beat the pony to the ground right?

Because if I were that OP I would be pretty distressed reading this...
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I get that.

My comment was in relation to the incident with the horse being beaten to the ground.

IMO if someone is presented with clear danger, then you do all you can and whatever it takes to get out of that situation. But, the level of force used should be reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances.
 
Jesstickle said:
We do all get that the OP in the thread EB mentions didn't beat the pony to the ground right?

Because if I were that OP I would be pretty distressed reading this...
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Yes absolutely - I have not in any way suggested that the OP did, nor has anyone else as far as I am aware? I am merely commenting on Dogrose's gushingly awestruck post about her experience watching a horse being beaten to the ground. :O
 
Thats good :) just wanted to check because as I say, seems pretty poor form to reference her at all, never mind get her confused with this riding school character who sounds pretty unpleasant where OP really didn't at all!
 
I think some of us will have to agree to disagree here. Though I would say you are entitled to have an opinion if you don't happen to own a horse at the moment echo bravo....
 
I once caught a large (well over 6' and big built) man kicking my horse because he was nicking ponies feed. The man had been too lazy to put the pony in the fenced off section used for feeding but then started kicking my horse in the stifle and belly, wearing steel toe caps to make it worse.

By the time I had finished with him he was on his knees in the field, wringing his hands and begging me, through his tears, not to 'tell on him'. I didn't touch him lol, like most bullies he was a complete coward plus my horse had picked up on my anger and had to be restrained from attacking him... verbally I destroyed him and he was pretty shocked by what I said.

If anyone tries to 'beat up' my horses then expect retaliation.
 
Moomin1 said:
I get that.

My comment was in relation to the incident with the horse being beaten to the ground.

IMO if someone is presented with clear danger, then you do all you can and whatever it takes to get out of that situation. But, the level of force used should be reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances.
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OMG - I agree with Moomin1 :eek:
 
To be honest I think that sometimes us humans inflict too many of our human emotions and feelings etc onto our horses.

I think at the end of the day we need to remember that they are horses, they have a herd pecking order, and that they need to remember that you, their handler is in charge and not them. I'm not condoning beating them til they fall, or giving them a slap for the hell of it. That is imho, out of order.

In a herd the head mare keeps them in order, and it's not through wrapping the others in cotton wool.

What annoys me is those who treat their horses like spoilt brats, let them get away with murder and it causes problems for others. If you want to let your horse have no manners or respect then keep it away from other people, have your own field, and deal with it yourself.

Raynerk if I was the owner of that horse I would be thoroughly ashamed of having a horse with such little respect and bad manners.

Also agree that all horses are individual and some need a firm hand, others need a gentle approach.
 
These situations are never black or white. What will work for one horse wont work for another, what one persons idea of acceptable punishment is another persons idea of abuse. Lots of grey areas!
Ive had my mare for 4 years, ive worked very hard to make her into the polite horse she is today. Its taken alot of calm paitience as well as a few slaps when shes really pushed the boundaries.
For example i moved her a month ago, i found her so easy to handle at previous yard and felt she had finally "got the message" but the grooms had hit and miss luck. Some she was an angel for, others a complete ****! I never used extreme force to get her that way, the odd yank on the leadrope was it!
Then when we moved, she got a bit big for her boots .. She barged me out the stable door for no reason whatsoever, started scraping when tied up and then bolted while on the lunge and took several layers of my skin with her. That was the final straw and she got a slap for that as it was really dangerous not only to me but herself too. I made her stand still in the middle of the school and i didnt let her actually move until she stood nicely as she was figiting then walked her round the school for a while and have lunged only in walk and trot for a few weeks while making sure she is listening to me 100% and shes been a little star :)
Short sharp shock and re-education works with her!
Luckily shes a good girl.for new YO!
 
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Gentlegiant88 said:
To be honest I think that sometimes us humans inflict too many of our human emotions and feelings etc onto our horses.

I think at the end of the day we need to remember that they are horses, they have a herd pecking order, and that they need to remember that you, their handler is in charge and not them. I'm not condoning beating them til they fall, or giving them a slap for the hell of it. That is imho, out of order.

In a herd the head mare keeps them in order, and it's not through wrapping the others in cotton wool.

What annoys me is those who treat their horses like spoilt brats, let them get away with murder and it causes problems for others. If you want to let your horse have no manners or respect then keep it away from other people, have your own field, and deal with it yourself.

Raynerk if I was the owner of that horse I would be thoroughly ashamed of having a horse with such little respect and bad manners.

Also agree that all horses are individual and some need a firm hand, others need a gentle approach.
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This is my response but with more words ... still think the OP is an idiot though :p
 
Echo Bravo said:
A previous thread, had a groom saying she beat up spoilt pony and hated it, pony being bottled fed as a foal and had no manners. My point is how many of you on livery, what would you do if you found a groom? employed by your livery yard did the same to your horse/pony?
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I think you must have read a different thread to everyone else, as the animal you refer to was not beaten up.
 
If said horse was in danger of seriously injuring said groom then I would expect them to to whatever they needed to in order to stay safe (tbh I would never knowingly put a groom / staff member in a situation where I would believe my horse may become dangerous if I could avoid it and if it was unavoidable I would warn them. Sadly from personal experience I know these warnings are not always heeded!) If the horse was just being a bit rude then I'd prob expect them to give a slap / flick with the leadrope but would not be impressed with them going much above and beyond that.

I'm going to admit to having given other people's horses a swift boot with my heel / elbow in the ribs when they've tried to boot me (lot less damage than they'd've done to me if they'd made contact) and a flick with the leadrope to get their head up when they've made a dive for grass whilst I'm opening a gate, as I would do with my own. (Will also admit to having thrown a wet sponge at my own pony when he was having a tantrum about being tied up to be bathed... it worked on that occasion and pony does not have a phobia of sponges)

Have also had my horses be on the receiving end of inappropriate levels of force for the level of misbehaviour / badly timed reprimands. Both horses got their own back in their own way against the people responsible
 
amymay said:
I think you must have read a different thread to everyone else, as the animal you refer to was not beaten up.
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I think that the attitude of that poster did not come across well. Cobxthing and I hate her, that did put a rather unpleasant flavour to her thread.
 
As many others have said -

If he deserved it, then I wouldn't care. The farrier gave him a good thump in the ribs. Ned had snatched and lashed out. Serves the bloomin' horse right!!


But I was told about an incident where a pitch fork was waved in Ned's face. She was caught by a friend at the yard and got a good verbal thrashing. I left it, as she had been well and truly told off by the other woman and she hadn't actually touched him. Had she touched him with that pitch fork, all hell would have broken loose!
What did he do to deserve it? Went a bit near her. He just wandered over to eat grass near her.

She demonised him, when it was actually her ill-mannered mare who was the problem.
 
justabob said:
I think that the attitude of that poster did not come across well. Cobxthing and I hate her, that did put a rather unpleasant flavour to her thread.
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I've hated the odd horse. Doesn't make me a bad person. Nor the poster to which this thread refers.

I'm not sure a whole thread aimed at slagging them off was really necessary.

I guess it must be a slow day on hho.
 
Totally agree with Amymay. This thread was totally unnecessary. OP you could have started a general thread about grooms mistreating horses and people's reactions rather than singling out one particular person who wasn't that bad. This is a thread in very bad taste.
 
Honey08 said:
Totally agree with Amymay. This thread was totally unnecessary. OP you could have started a general thread about grooms mistreating horses and people's reactions rather than singling out one particular person who wasn't that bad. This is a thread in very bad taste.
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I'm with this and Amymay, very unnecessary, poor girl.
 
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