Groom's job and NMW question

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Shilasdair

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Explanation required, please.
Given that the NMW is, for most adults, £5.52 per hour, and the charge for accommodation per week is £30.10, how can there be groom's jobs advertised as;

http://www.careergrooms.co.uk/cgi-bin/zyview/D=jobs/V=popwin/R=CJ997

without breaking the law?
I am confused....
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I worked out they should be offering £317.66/week plus accom??! Mad, I don't think I'd want to work 7am-5.30pm six days a week anyway let alone for tuppence an hour!!
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They're offering £35/day!!! (Sorry bit slow at working it out!) I get min wage for my age and if I worked whole days I would end up with £46!! That's ridiculous...
 
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10 hours a day, 6 days a week for £180 plus accom??? I don't think so!!!

MW for someone working 40 hours pw with accom should be around the £200 mark, I think I worked that out right.


And the accom is shared?! They wont get their 20-25 yo experienced groom for that, I know times is tight but you have to pay your staff!!

ETA, Shils yes I think they would be breaking the law....but I've seen other yards get away with it...how can they?
 
But 'Career Grooms' seems like a very responsible agency to me - surely they wouldn't advertise something illegal?
I make it 10.5 hrs per day over 6 days = 63hrs per week.
Take off an hour a day for lunch...and that equals 57hrs x £5.52 = £314.64 less £30.10 = £284.54 per week.
On the wage given (£180 + £30.10 = £210.10) an employee could only be asked to work 38hrs per week - so over 6 days seems odd.
I find these things very confusing.
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The only way you can get away with it is if the employee is in training, as an apprentice they can pay £80 a week for 60 hours work ( I used to do that, I know, I'm an idiot but theres an endless string of horse-less kids who leave school and go into jobs like that so their never short on staff and get away with it).

Hopefully no experienced groom in their right mind would go in for that job but no doubt someone will.
 
They can get away with if if there is subsidised accomadation and paying 30 quid a week for the roof over your head is pennies so thats probably how.

Personally - why would anyone work with horses for a garbage wage like that - heck - the pay in the equine world is terrible - esp considering how valuble some of the nags are! jeez!
 
No, Browbrow - the most you can deduct for accommodation is £30.10 per week.
I wasn't meaning to talk about this job - it was just an example amongst many - I just didn't understand the way the hours and wages were calculated in most of them.
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They get away with it by telling the PAYE people that they work 38 hours a week. I reckon.

There's no clocking in machine to prove otherwise...
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I think the answer here is that equestrian employers are above employment laws regarding working hours, minimum wage, sick pay, maternity leave, you name it. They make it up as they go along because as soon as one person gets fed up and leaves there is always some poor horse lover daft enough to take their place. And I didn't read the whole ad but maybe they pay cash in hand and leave the PAYE people out altogether?
 
So...who can it be reported to? I appreciate that some yards can't afford to pay full rates but I don't think that's any excuse TBH, why should one person shell out and the other not - no matter who they are!!
 
Maybe it's more than an hour for lunch? I've done grooms jobs where you finish at 11/12 and go back at 3.

Doubt it though, more likely they're trying to get away with it. I was doing a YM's job for £250 a week before tax! I was also expected to pay £50 a week to keep my horse there. I left after 3 weeks
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Far too many horsey employers have been getting away with this for far too long. (Not condemning the good ones out there, I know there are some, but never found one myself!)
 
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