Happy Days For ISH Breeders

I'm going to reply very quickly before hitting the hay.

Yes stallion suitability and all that has to come into it and blah blah
(Better get that out of the way before I get ripped on for having the sheer nerve to recommend a stallion without seeing mare confo pics)

I'd be heavily pushing you towards Puissance. He has 2 in Badminton this week in Old Road and Horseware Bushman. It might be worth mentioning that he is the top living Irish sire of Eventers too. Sam Watson even wrote a letter to the Irish Field some weeks back asking people to use Puissance to produce Eventers He knows what he's looking for!!!

Royal Concorde is a fantastic horse and I think he'll sire some great eventers but Puissance is 22. How long does he have left? It's only now that people are realising what a fantastic stallion he is. Use him before it's too late. I've organised 5 mares to go to him this year. Hopefully he'll produce a nice colt from that bunch that might make a stallion. As a breeding nation, can we afford to have him die before gracing us with a bunch of stallion sons? I think not!

Your mare has Carnival Night in her back breeding, look at Matthew Wright's horse Hugginstown he's Puissance x Carnival Night. Incidently, the family who bred Hugginstown, also bred Dromgurrihy Blue, Puissance x Furisto. Michael Ryan rode him to victory in the 1 star event in Tattersalls last year. Dromgurrihy Blue is a full brother to a mare I ride around 1.20 classes, soon to move up to the 1.30 classes, Eskerhills Lexis. Yes, the aforementioned Michael Ryan is the same man who rode the Puissance gelding Old Road to 2nd place in Tattersalls in the 3 star last year.

What more advice do you need? With Master Imp's untimely death, Puissance might just get a few more mares than normal. He might take his place as one of the greatest Eventing sires ever and with progeny showjumping at 5 star level, he's not a half bad jumping sire either. Such a pity that he had to hit his twenties before people realised!
 
rebel mountain said:
not to worry i wonder if the horse board will approve golden master now that master imp is dead
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Eothain said:
He should be brought out for inspection anyway. Regardless of his lineage! In my view, which I stress to those reading and following this but that may not be commenting, in my opinion stallions absolutely must be brought forward for inspection. Unless of course the connections of any given stallion, not necessarily Golden Master, have a lack of faith in their horse and therefore have something to hide!!!
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Golden Master was presented for inspection and was classified as S1; he could be re-presented under the new Traffic School system but a; can't speak for the owners on whether he ever will be; b; an S1 status is no deterrent for some breeders - Cavalier was S1 for years; c; there is nothing to hide with this horse, let's knock that notion on the head!

He is also one of the best-bred TBs between an Imperius male tail line (and that's where I look for Imperius and ideally, in a TB sire) and Prefairy. The only other Master Imp x Prefairy cross is Mandiba's family, (with some Chair Lift thrown in here too). :) Looked up Mandiba's family after the Rolex; he has a three year old full brother colt, which William Micklem plans to stand .. and two half-brothers by .. Grange Bouncer. :D

Otherwise, yes, the thread is going round in 20 metre circles by now. The reality is we can talk and speculate and pontificate and armchair quarterback about the Irish sport horse industry forever and then along comes Mary McCann's stance in three succinct sentences.

There are stallions mentioned throughout the entire post which I would seriously question from a soundness/temperament/hype/unproven viewpoint. The only way 'you' will find out the truth about stallions is to take out the glowing and the disparaging remarks and somewhere between the two is the truth. But breeding is still a lottery.

Hati - I think any of those stallions would breed something very suitable for what you're looking for. Puissance is the senior, most proven one whereas Royal Concorde is starting off, relatively speaking and both Colin Diamond and King's Master are twixt the two. Both these throw offspring with lovely, trainable minds, particularly KM. I pity the owners of such stallions because once the word spreads, then the owner of every lunatic mare in the country will flock to them hoping for a miracle :rolleyes:

Has your mare done working hunter classes?
 
hilly said:
Golden Master was presented for inspection and was classified as S1; he could be re-presented under the new Traffic School system but a; can't speak for the owners on whether he ever will be; b; an S1 status is no deterrent for some breeders - Cavalier was S1 for years; c; there is nothing to hide with this horse, let's knock that notion on the head!
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s1 is gone now. It's now Not Recommended for Breeding 1 (Sound stallion) or Not Recommended for Breeding 2 (Unsound stallion)

Not recommended for breeding isn't a very nice sounding term! There could well be an exodus of old s1 stallions to the traffic lights to get the green light

***NB*** I wasn't for a nano-second saying that Golden Master had something to hide. Not for two shakes of a rabbit's tail was I saying that. I was saying that some horses might have something to hide. I doubt very much an unsound stallion with something to hide would be given the chance to stand at stud in Slyguff of all places!
 
Eothain said:
It might be worth mentioning that he is the top living Irish sire of Eventers too.
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Just to clarify, that was according to Eventing Ireland statistics for horses competing under EI rules in Ireland. Which is all-good.

Under USEA and British Eventing sire stats; there are no living Irish-based sires currently featuring in the all-time or 2009 Grade 1 top rankings; there are a number in the younger sire lists such as Limmerick (eq 4th) and Ricardo z (6th) in the six-year-olds list and Ghareeb (3rd) and Cult Hero (4th) in the seven-year-olds.

The biggest kick from the BE all-time rankings are how under-used the posthumously truly great sires were - Stan The Man chestnut filly foals were sold for a pittance (the old ginger mare wive's tale :rolleyes: ) and Peacock covered just 33 non-TB mares. :o
 
Eothain said:
I'm going to reply very quickly before hitting the hay.

Royal Concorde is a fantastic horse and I think he'll sire some great eventers but Puissance is 22. How long does he have left? It's only now that people are realising what a fantastic stallion he is. Use him before it's too late. I've organised 5 mares to go to him this year. Hopefully he'll produce a nice colt from that bunch that might make a stallion. As a breeding nation, can we afford to have him die before gracing us with a bunch of stallion sons? I think not!
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Royal Concorde certainly has the potential to sire more than just eventers. He already has a showjumper named Annestown with the Irish Army team, and considering his damline, I would find it hard to discount him as just an eventer sire. His dam Trump Carder has been a phenomenal producer as discussed previously and her daughter is the dam of Carmena Z who is in Lummen jumping Nations Cup this week. Sire Concorde has certainly proven himself, so that combination with the right mare cannot be discounted as only an eventer sire. According to friends who have worked with his progeny, they can't say enough good things about what he is siring. Am thinking if Ireland is looking to improve its damlines with traditional breeding, would it not make sense to use an ISH stallion out of a superior dam? Was thinking that was the point of the discussion about improvement of the showjumping stock in Ireland? If the goal of the new breeding policies are to take a scientific and systematic approach to breeding showjumpers then there needs to be some serious evaluation of the damlines that are doing just that. You also have Clover Flush out of Trump Carder's full sister and Clover Flush has proven himself as an international-level competitor and as a sire.
 
hilly said:
Hati - I think any of those stallions would breed something very suitable for what you're looking for. Puissance is the senior, most proven one whereas Royal Concorde is starting off, relatively speaking and both Colin Diamond and King's Master are twixt the two. Both these throw offspring with lovely, trainable minds, particularly KM. I pity the owners of such stallions because once the word spreads, then the owner of every lunatic mare in the country will flock to them hoping for a miracle :rolleyes:

Has your mare done working hunter classes?
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Yes she has done a lot of working hunter with me a few years ago and then won the RDS equitaition with a friend in 2006. After the WH days we went eventing and dressaging!
 
Eothain said:
I'm going to reply very quickly before hitting the hay.

Yes stallion suitability and all that has to come into it and blah blah
(Better get that out of the way before I get ripped on for having the sheer nerve to recommend a stallion without seeing mare confo pics)

I'd be heavily pushing you towards Puissance. He has 2 in Badminton this week in Old Road and Horseware Bushman. It might be worth mentioning that he is the top living Irish sire of Eventers too. Sam Watson even wrote a letter to the Irish Field some weeks back asking people to use Puissance to produce Eventers He knows what he's looking for!!!

Royal Concorde is a fantastic horse and I think he'll sire some great eventers but Puissance is 22. How long does he have left? It's only now that people are realising what a fantastic stallion he is. Use him before it's too late. I've organised 5 mares to go to him this year. Hopefully he'll produce a nice colt from that bunch that might make a stallion. As a breeding nation, can we afford to have him die before gracing us with a bunch of stallion sons? I think not!

Your mare has Carnival Night in her back breeding, look at Matthew Wright's horse Hugginstown he's Puissance x Carnival Night. Incidently, the family who bred Hugginstown, also bred Dromgurrihy Blue, Puissance x Furisto. Michael Ryan rode him to victory in the 1 star event in Tattersalls last year. Dromgurrihy Blue is a full brother to a mare I ride around 1.20 classes, soon to move up to the 1.30 classes, Eskerhills Lexis. Yes, the aforementioned Michael Ryan is the same man who rode the Puissance gelding Old Road to 2nd place in Tattersalls in the 3 star last year.

What more advice do you need? With Master Imp's untimely death, Puissance might just get a few more mares than normal. He might take his place as one of the greatest Eventing sires ever and with progeny showjumping at 5 star level, he's not a half bad jumping sire either. Such a pity that he had to hit his twenties before people realised!
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Thank you, I had a real thing for Puissance this year as he is getting on in age whilst the others are realtively younger and may be around for a few years longer. Fingers crossed I get a filly.....

A picture of the mare in question
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One of the mare last summer about 3 weeks before she foaled....
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Ps sorry that the photos are so big!
 
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with master dead and gone should the irish horse board not be trying to keep tb sons of great stallions alive.look at skyboy and water serpant for god sake to great stallion where are their tb sons its a crying shame:mad:
 
Long live this thread!!
Hilly I may yet be proved wrong about Ghareeb-He's certainly makin a ripple in eventing sire terms however I still think 600 foals is plenty to prove performance with but I'm prepared to stand corrected ;)
Again: Long live this thread!!! It has been the most interesting and thought porvoking one I have come across :)
 
Just to stop people from having to find this on page two or three......

Badminton was terrific for Irish bred horses and I think Puissance may get a few more "brides" as a result. Also don't forget Stormhill Miller who stands in Wicklow (S1) sire of Paul Tapner's 10th place. He is getting some nice stock across the disciplines now.

Looking forward to the results of the stallion inspections which should be published any day soon. It will be fascinating to see the marks and for once a completely transparent process.
 
To deviate momentarily back to the intial impetus from Eothain's thread "Happy Days For ISH Breeders'; I got confirmation today that Peppermill has been approved by the IHB. Now they just need to update their website...which could take some time.
 
In the words of one Leonard Cohen and later Jeff Buckley: Hallelujah!

Have been mental busy these past few days and haven't had time to be on. This thread isn't done yet!!!
 
I inseminated my Duca Di Busted mare yesterday with Puissance.

What a weekend for him!

Cullenagh Lucinda qualified for the RDS 1.30 YR class on Saturday in Boswell.
Horseware Bushman finished 13th in Badminton.
Cullenagh Lucinda finished 5th in her first and her rider's, Michael Hutchinson J.R, first 1.40m GP in Thomastown on Sunday.
Highpark Lad qualified to jump in the 1.50m Premier G.P in Coilog on Monday
Old Road competed in Badminton,
and I had a 3rd place in the 1.10m in Coilog on Eskerhills Lexis on Sunday. Time now to get her ready for some 7 Year Old classes!!!!
 
rebel mountain said:
its a wonder hutchinsons don't have a young colt by him out of a good mare with stallion prospects
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Maybe they have, maybe they haven't ;)

hati said:
scanned her today and will have to get her scanned on saturday...as the folicles are not big enough. Hope she is ready on Sunday, as I have work on Monday! So keeping fingers crossed
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Call in sick. Something's are more important than contributing to the nation's GDP. Covering your mare with Puissance is one of them!!!
 
"There are still some very good mares in Ireland. I estimate there are 10 to 15 mare families in Irealand that are of international standard. Carrigbrahan Lady line, Kilkenny Lady line, Trixie Lady line, Roadstown Gold line etc."

Iv been reading this thread for a while every night for the last week and have found it VERY interesting- Last night though, when I read those few lines quoted above I got A LOT more interested. (Iv only reached page 20 so apologies if this is discussed in detail later- I will try my best to catch up soon!!)

In relation to the Roadstown Gold line I only know of 3 of progeny:
-Hilton Clover (x Clover Hill)
-Mr Cawley (x Furisto)
-Roadstown Diamond (x KOD)

Does anyone know what their main achievements have been to date?

My sister has a mare by Roadstown Diamond (ISH) out of a 'Candys boy (ISH)' mare. We bought her as a 3 yr old a few years ago.

To my knowledge Roadstown Diamond was never inspected as a stallion by the IHB (Correct me if im wrong?) but I think he is registered as a stallion with weatherbys.

Does anyone have more info on the Roadstown Diamond line? Any little bit would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
QF
 
I always thought Roadstown Diamond was gelding. He competed at 1.30m in showjumping. Mr Cawley and Hilton Clover were both international showjumpers.
 
Roadstown Gold had other progeny all by King of Diamonds

Kings Bliss (?)
Roadstown Queen (f)
Top Secret (f)

All of these were full sisters/brothers to Roadstown Diamond.

Roadstown Diamond is the sire of two WNTR mares who went to stud to Royal Dane and Grovesnor Lad. He also appears as the dam sire of a show pony somewhere along the way.

RD does have an IHR number 1776878 which is probably his foal registration. He may have been gelded in later life I wouldn't know but he was covering mares. It may be worth contacting WNTR as he may have been registered there as a stallion. Possibly he was passed as an S1 S2 stallion but you would need to contact the horse board with his number.

ONly snippets but might help - Precipitation is represented in the dam line no bad thing.:)
 
QF-WEST said:
"There are still some very good mares in Ireland. I estimate there are 10 to 15 mare families in Irealand that are of international standard. Carrigbrahan Lady line, Kilkenny Lady line, Trixie Lady line, Roadstown Gold line etc."

Iv been reading this thread for a while every night for the last week and have found it VERY interesting- Last night though, when I read those few lines quoted above I got A LOT more interested. (Iv only reached page 20 so apologies if this is discussed in detail later- I will try my best to catch up soon!!)

In relation to the Roadstown Gold line I only know of 3 of progeny:
-Hilton Clover (x Clover Hill)
-Mr Cawley (x Furisto)
-Roadstown Diamond (x KOD)

Does anyone know what their main achievements have been to date?

My sister has a mare by Roadstown Diamond (ISH) out of a 'Candys boy (ISH)' mare. We bought her as a 3 yr old a few years ago.

To my knowledge Roadstown Diamond was never inspected as a stallion by the IHB (Correct me if im wrong?) but I think he is registered as a stallion with weatherbys.

Does anyone have more info on the Roadstown Diamond line? Any little bit would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
QF
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I own a mare named Emerald Cruising whose dam is a full-sister to Hilton Clover. You can read about the damline here:

http://www.morningside-stud.com/EmeraldCruisingM2S.html
 
Eothain said:
Maybe they have, maybe they haven't ;)



Call in sick. Something's are more important than contributing to the nation's GDP. Covering your mare with Puissance is one of them!!!
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so no action this weekend, the mare (as I suspected) is being awkward.....getting re-scanned on Tuesday so could be pulling a sickie next week!
 
Can any of you experts list some QUALITY! Irish stallions suitable for crossing with a Roadstown Diamond X Candy's Boy Mare. She probably needs a stallion of 170cm or over.
 
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