Happy Days For ISH Breeders

Adablurr, I'm actually living in Boston, but am from Ireland and have a mare there and a horse here. Its all very complicated, but I go back and forth a lot.
 
When my husband and I first "got into" Irish horses, we had not seen enough of them to realize that what we were being shown as "great examples" were, in fact, lighter than the breed standard and more of a sporthorse model - or as it's put in some circles, a "modern type" of ID horse. We have since educated ourselves better, hence our search for and purchase of the stallion we presently own and love. He's quite a traditional type, with a great set of pure clean gaits and a nice big jump - nice technique too. And yes, that 10.5 inch cannon is for real - he's actually a bit over that, but I'm not quibbling. Just very pleased he stopped growing when he did, as grooming while teetering on a bucket is strenuous. :)[/QUOTE]

i don't see why people have a problem with the modern type of ID
i know in the beginning draughts were used to do the farm work all week then
take their owner hunting on a sunday but farmers now have tractors to pull a plough
the irish draught is now required to show,show jump,dessage,hunt,hack out or event we don't need them to pull a plough any more i am in favour of the quality ID
 
AdAblurr said:
Was this stallion you mentioned the lovely chestnut with white socks, who was inspected and passed as RID in the USA? Then sold to Ireland, and graded down to S-1 upon his Irish inspection? Yes, that was a very odd situation to say the very least. That particular horse had won the RDS Championship shortly prior to his re-inspection and disapproval. Things that make you go "Hmmmm."

Yes, that is the one! Hmmm indeed, have known stallions go before the panel up to four times before getting their stamp!!

Oh, and it's AdAblurr - reference a dearly loved old TB gelding of ours :)
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AdAblurr - apologies, sleepy finger syndrome!!
 
Rebel Mountain, I NEVER said there was anything wrong with a "modern" ID. We just don't prefer them. I have a several young halfbreds with as much (or more) bone and substance than a whole pile of RID horses I can name - check out Lucky Punch, who at three is 16:3 and stands over a 10 inch cannon. It's simply that our personal belief is that breeding the bone out of the Irish Draught is not the road we care to take.

Of course it's all conjecture on our part here - we have but one purebred, our stallion. Our mares are Thoroughbreds, selected for sport pedigree, conformation including great feet :) and superb athleticism and temperament. We breed sporthorses, ISH. HOWEVER, if God is good to us and we ever could get a good Draught mare, we'd still not be breeding any 8 inch cannons under a 16+ hand horse. Heck, my senior stallion, who is a Quarter Horse standing all of 14:1-1/2 hands, has an 8.5 inch cannon. We simply can't condone breeding lighter legged animals for sport that uses them so hard.

Sorry if I got your dander up, but possibly "quality" means something different to you than it does to me? that old language barrier again?
 
i am not in the least bit annoyed i just can't understand why you would rather breed a heavy boned full ID when you can breed the finer type ID who is more capable is most equine aspecks
just my opinion
 
I think this takes us back to some of the original posts that there is room for the two, the heavier more traditional and the lighter more modern draught!! You can't have the lighter without the heavier otherwise the ID will end up as just another sportshorse, when in actual fact it is a good base line to breed sporthorses from!!:D
 
i agree with you the ISH needs the ID and the TB but my question to the ISH breeders is where is this TB horse like the ones we used to have?where is the skyboy or ozmandis of this century?
 
That's a very simple answer. The Irish thoroughbred industry used to be the joke that the Sport Horse industry is at the moment. A little-known chap by the name of Vincent O'Brien revolutionised the entire industry from top to toe leaving no stone unturned in the mean time!
The thoroughbred industry later became the global powerhouse it is today and though forward thinking in breeding circles, the thoroughbred phenotype changed. The big rangy National Hunt horses if yesteryear disappeared as the breeding became constantly upgraded.
National Hunt sires these days are horses than ran in staying flat races. The old Chasing horses died out. There are few, if any, stallions running in jump racing these days and no, poxy hurdle races don't count!
We don't have access to the blood horses we need. Therefore it must come from some where else. The thoroughbred stallions we need in the future will be thoroughbred stallions that showjump or event or do dressage themselves. We can no longer look to the racing business for help to breed showjumpers. They've moved on.

Now, please don't do the typical Irish thing and give me one or two examples of thoroughbred stallions you know that race over jumps. I'm talking about on the whole here. You know, the big picture!

As for the standard of young horse production in Ireland and the usefulness of heavy plowhorses, oops, sorry I meant the general Irish Draught population, well I'll be back to that topic!!!
 
in my opinion the horse just isn't out there because lets face it of mary mccann or stallion owners like her who have unlimited resources can't find the TB horses this country needs then maybe their just not out there
 
This year, taking Mary McCanns cue and also because I have some potential customers in UK, ALL of my mares have been covered with a big upstanding Class 1 Connemara stallion so I will be looking at TBxCP, ISHxCP and TB/Warmblood/CP.

I am very excited by this decision as I have had some exceptional TBxCPs over the years and all were brilliant and there is always a market for them. One of them was a champion show hunter, won 1DE, won Prelim Dressage champs, SJ 1.20, and he still hunts all winter. A more beautiful and hardy horse you would not wish to find. More than "bread and butter" less than elite showjumper but a "type hard to find" and I am looking forward already to next year's crop. Something different but definitely very Irish!!

So I am a happy Irish breeder and have saved thousands on stud fees and better still, the stallion comes to the house to cover the mares. He has to stand on tip toe for one or two of them but seems to enjoy himself:) It has just been so easy this year. All of the mares had very late foals last year (July) so were left barren. Awaiting scanning results fingers crossed.
 
I bred 2 out of my ISH mare before and they were the toughest, hardiest things going but had a lovely bit of quality too-quite refined actually and great temps. I used Coral Prince (by Murphy's Rebel). Which CP stallion did you use? I like the sound of this home-calling business!
 
The CP is Drymills Bridge Boy. He had a couple of wins at Clifden as a young chap and has been producing some good show stock but what does it for me is he is so laid back, his owner rides him to the shop in a headcollar and trailers him to your yard for covering if he likes you!! The stallion has manners to burn and has so much wow factor he looks 16hands and is very substantial and "spanish" looking.
 
Irishlife said:
This year, taking Mary McCanns cue and also because I have some potential customers in UK, ALL of my mares have been covered with a big upstanding Class 1 Connemara stallion so I will be looking at TBxCP, ISHxCP and TB/Warmblood/CP.
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what do you mean by this is it the cruising rumour your talking about?
 
rebel mountain said:
what do you mean by this is it the cruising rumour your talking about?
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there is a Cruising rumour? What is it? I'm intrigued now!

In another post Mary McCann was quoted as saying the ISH is dead as a showjumper and the Selle Francais is catching up in the eventing sphere. And that the most marketable animal is a ConniexTB .
 
Hi Rebel,

I didn't know there was a Crusing rumour - what is it do tell???

Further back in the thread Hilly had attended a convention of some sort and Mary McCann was speaking there and she said she thought the most commercial horses at the moment were TB x CP's. I have been breeding sporthorses for the last few years so have changed tack for this year and using a Connemara stallion to breed some good small show hunter/WHP sorts.:)
 
Wow!! That is a new one on me. Surely the dna proved that one wrong. Still many a dash of Connemara in some of the good ones from yesteryear.

With any successful horse there are always multiple claims to fame. It is amazing how a top horse seems to have been bred by so many people in so many different counties!!!
 
cruising was bred by the irish horse board i don't think they would have had a problem getting his DNA fixed
cruising can get a very small horse.He also has a pair of pony feet and ears and isn't it interesting mary mccann suggested that cross
ash bobby sparrow stood in the same yard as sea crest
at the time i think the old RID need some publishing;)
 
Ah now, do you really believe that? I mean doesn't Cruising look like such a Connemara cross? And what's more, with all his doubters and detractors, who to be honest need their heads examined, that say his temperament was this and his temperament was that, isn't it interesting that many Sea Crest horses are a touch iffy in the head. You, my Rebellious Mountaineering friend are going to say that a Connemara stallion produced a horse like Cruising but the typical eat-out-of-your-hand temperament was lost somewhere along the way?

Buddy, come out of the fog. I can't actually believe you'd say something like that. That's like suggesting Harristown Princess, Mo Chroi or Echo Beach should be covered with a Draught stallion!!!
 
Eothain said:
Some people believe Cruising was sired by Ashfield Bobby Sparrow and not Seacrest.
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Thanks for making me laugh out loud, I nearly had tea all over the keyboard! :eek: - not that I know whether they're right or not...........................
I love the way this thread has rumbled on with musings from one and all, it's like a get together of friends carrying on where they left off as if they've never been away; I'm pretty sure if we all met in real life it would be just the same. Has to have been one of the most pleasant threads to read with the knowledge and humour which has been shared so a big thank you to everyone who has taken part, it's been a privilege.
 
Maesfen said:
Thanks for making me laugh out loud, I nearly had tea all over the keyboard! :eek: - not that I know whether they're right or not...........................
I love the way this thread has rumbled on with musings from one and all, it's like a get together of friends carrying on where they left off as if they've never been away; I'm pretty sure if we all met in real life it would be just the same. Has to have been one of the most pleasant threads to read with the knowledge and humour which has been shared so a big thank you to everyone who has taken part, it's been a privilege.
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Ditto :) well said :)
 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha man that is Soooooo funny!!
I'd never heard of the Cruising conspiracy before-teee heee!!
oh man i'm gonna need a moment to collect myself. That's hilarious...but who knows?
The mystery lives on do do do dooo (spooky music!) ;)
 
i now for a fact that ideal water was as mad as they come

sea crest get 358 foals he never produced one near as good a horse as cruising
carna bobby was a brillant pony he is sire to ashfield bobby sparrow
 
... Lenamore? Sea Dancer? Steel Dust? Sir Rivie?

Steel Dust being Cruising's full brother, gelded and sent to America.

Of course none of them were nearly as good as Cruising, shir he's the best of all time!

Any other "evidence"?
 
Would have to put Lenamore above Cruising....... Total superstar and although he has not won a World Cup, he has never jacked it in!
 
did you ever think steel dust was actually by sea crest maybe thats why he wasn't as good
as far as sir rivie goes he came from a hell of good family his dam is a full sister to supreme ginger and with sir rivie being 2 years his elder supreme gingers progeny have racked up more sjai points
 
I think the injury he sustained would have looked after that. I was doing a project on Cruising once when I was in Kildalton, I must dig it out and see what happened Steel Dust. I had to leave Kildalton so I never bothered finishing it.

Do you genuinely believe that the single greatest Irish-bred horse in the history of life is by a Connemara? That a Connemara stallion sired the winner of the Aachen Grand Prix? Really? Being serious now like! Not saying yes for divilment. Do you really think Ashfield Bobby Sparrow sired Cruising? It's not too late to say you were only joking!
 
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