Harassment by the antis - anyone ever heard of this?

and to scatchline, please can we have a better arguement, all i have seen from you so far is mundane insulting of fellow horse fans and an attempt at sofisticated grammar. for your information i am 16 years ols, i live in a semidetched house that is in fact a building site, my horse is grazing on what might as well be mud and i am in no way a toff or whatever else you may want to call us.
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Perhaps you should make the effort to find all of my other posts, read them and find out why I am an anti before you comment, young newbee!

Oh, and it is 'sophisticated', by the way. Stay on at school please.
 
Harper_Gal said:
Thats a shame, Admin seem to have forgotton that we all had nicknames in here, courtasy of Kieran, and Skids was one of them! I've been called many in here, and I certainly didn't go home and cry about it!
I have a nickname and it is Scratchline. Sadly those who disagree with my views lower the tone of our forum by name calling. Not very grown up but sadly compounded by people like you who are always happy to blame the victim not the bully.

Scratchline is a broken record. Hunting is gone forever? Hunting never left, sweetheart. We jumped through some hoops and came back stronger than ever, the one pack that disbanded reformed, and antis and labour mps have been crying into their fluffy fox toys every night because, far from saving animals and making tories so angry their monocles fall out and they spill their afternoon tea, they've garunteed that more foxes die and enhanced the appeal of hunting so much that any Joe Bloggs now goes, not just the toffs.

In fact, labour just made hunting cool.

Which is a bit of a shame, because going back will decool it a little, and I think some packs would be wise to have drag days and kill days to keep up support, but for goodness sake, stop pretending to your obviously delirious mind that hunting ever went away!

Because more than 100% of the packs in the UK have hunted every possibly day since the ban. And that really isn't a good statistic, is it.
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The one thing you forget honey, is chasing foxes for sport and ripping them apart with packs of hounds is illegal and will never return. Everything else is absolutely fine by me. Shoot them or snare them properly I couldnt care less. So no, I'm not upset I am happy as Larry. Numbers of hunters are up because you cannot kill as was so that made it cool nothing less. You can trot round our countryside all you want whilst whinging about the repeal you are 100% desperate for (shame iot will not happen), which makes the situation even more funny for me. All this under the gaze of monitors who will not let you get away with anything illegal and you cannot do anything to stop them lol lol

ME the broken record?? Errrr repeal repeal repeal zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and nobody cares what you want ROTFL1
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Scratchline said:
Oh, and it is 'sophisticated', by the way. Stay on at school please.
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Please don't pick people up on their spelling. Some people are dyslexic and there is no need to make them feel bad about themselves. Please stop resorting to pettiness.

I am not anti hunting but I am in favour of the ban as I hate cruelty to animals and I think that the ban has enforced a more humane way of killing the foxes. I now feel I can morally enjoy myself out hunting. (I don't mean to sound so strange and up myself but I just can't think of a better way of putting it) I completely understand the anti's views, but I just cannot abide their methods. I have seen the damage they cause to horses and it just isn't the way to go about it. I also have seen how horrible some hunting people can be as well, so it is slightly unfair to rant and rave solely at the antis.

Scratchline - I understand some of your views but everyone needs to stop being so extreme and think about this more logically and in a more adult way.

And can everyone stop being so horrible to each other? This is actually a really interesting debate and both sides have good arguments but they are ruined by pettiness and over-reacting.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
i do wonder why he calls himself Scratchline, knowing what it can possibly represent- makes you wonder!!!!
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Thats not fair keeping us all in the dark about the inquisitive ramblings of your mind. How about a clue about what you are suggesting as you havent as yet had the decency to perhaps just ask me why I call myself Scratchline?!
 
apercrumbie said:
Please don't pick people up on their spelling. Some people are dyslexic and there is no need to make them feel bad about themselves. Please stop resorting to pettiness.
Hold your horses please. I responded to this 'and an attempt at sofisticated grammar.', therefore in this case only, felt justified to respond the way I did. I have nothing to apologise for.

I am not anti hunting but I am in favour of the ban as I hate cruelty to animals and I think that the ban has enforced a more humane way of killing the foxes. I now feel I can morally enjoy myself out hunting. (I don't mean to sound so strange and up myself but I just can't think of a better way of putting it) I completely understand the anti's views, but I just cannot abide their methods. I have seen the damage they cause to horses and it just isn't the way to go about it. I also have seen how horrible some hunting people can be as well, so it is slightly unfair to rant and rave solely at the antis.

Scratchline - I understand some of your views but everyone needs to stop being so extreme and think about this more logically and in a more adult way.

And can everyone stop being so horrible to each other? This is actually a really interesting debate and both sides have good arguments but they are ruined by pettiness and over-reacting.
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For the record I am just anti fox hunting as was. I have never, ever, said that I agree with or condone the extreme behaviour of either side of the hunting debate. Sadly if you bravely state your case as an anti on this forum you automatically become a sab etc in the eyes of some on here.
As for the present law it can be ammended ( Giles springs to mind), a little but basically it is great and works well.
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rosiefronfelen said:
to be "decent" to a shabby,very unpleasant person- why do you call yourself by that name/ happy now that i have asked!!
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If it was a question wouldnt it finish with a question mark? Now, I am shabby and unpleasent? lol

Save wasting anymore of my time on this with you my family are very much into sport, my niece reprisented Wales on a number of occasions weight lifting. Scratchline is taken from the same field term. Sorry it wasnt very exciting after all lol lol
 
I will admit that my knowledge of hunting foxes with hounds is almost negligable. What I do know is that the ban has allowed other more barbaric methods of 'controlling' the fox population to flourish, thus allowing the real sadists to indulge in their perverted pleasures.
 
Everything else is absolutely fine by me. Shoot them or snare them properly I couldnt care less.
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Because a quick kill from a dog is sooooo much worse than dying slowly from a gun shot wound or being slowly suffocated (provided you get their neck.....the likelihood is it'll loose a limb/tail). Or suffocation with gas which also poisons anything else that's in the ground.

I really don't understand why you think that is more humane?!

If I thought there was a more humane way to control the population I'd be all for it but they only way to get a clean shot IMO is a humane trap and a close range bullet......I don't know any farmers willing to spend that much money or time on keeping control of a pest.
 
"On both counts I am in the right place then."
Cornwall?

Nats, feel free. They certainly show the antis to be people-haters rather than animal-lovers.
 
Annette4 said:
Because a quick kill from a dog is sooooo much worse than dying slowly from a gun shot wound or being slowly suffocated (provided you get their neck.....the likelihood is it'll loose a limb/tail). Or suffocation with gas which also poisons anything else that's in the ground.

I really don't understand why you think that is more humane?!

If I thought there was a more humane way to control the population I'd be all for it but they only way to get a clean shot IMO is a humane trap and a close range bullet......I don't know any farmers willing to spend that much money or time on keeping control of a pest.
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Use just 'a', dog and show us all your quick kill?????????? I have only ever, vocally, supported trained marksmen with high powered rifles and why do YOU mention gassing. I didnt and it is awful!
Farmers are responsible for their stock therefore they are responsible for the manner in which foxes are killed on their land. Pay them for humane killing as above save compensating them for lost stock.
 
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I have only ever, vocally, supported trained marksmen with high powered rifles
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Have you ever tried shooting a fox, Scratchline? I shot a lot of foxes in Australia when working in the Outback - and I was a bloody good shot! I had to be - the boss handed out X no of shells - and wanted shells (or dead foxes) back in equal number!! Or else!!

His reasoning was NOT humanity! He was convinced that it was ill, wounded and old foxes that killed newborn lambs - and that theory was born outby the foxes we shot - 50% of which were wearing wire - or had shotgun wounds - despite the fact that on that 12,000 acre property NO snares nor shotguns were used for fox control! Only .303s! (You try asking your local constabulary for a firearms license for a .303 for fox control!! In most counties you'd struggle to get a license for a .222 - which does NOT guarantee a clean kill - even when you get a perfect shot! In some areas, the best you'll get is a .22!)

High powered rifles are NOT safe for use in most parts of lowland Britain! If you miss, a bullet will travel half a mile or more and kill a cow, or a horse, or a Rambler!! (And yes, even Marksmen miss foxes - because the bu**ers move!!)
 
JanetGeorge said:
Have you ever tried shooting a fox, Scratchline? I shot a lot of foxes in Australia when working in the Outback - and I was a bloody good shot! I had to be - the boss handed out X no of shells - and wanted shells (or dead foxes) back in equal number!! Or else!!

His reasoning was NOT humanity! He was convinced that it was ill, wounded and old foxes that killed newborn lambs - and that theory was born outby the foxes we shot - 50% of which were wearing wire - or had shotgun wounds - despite the fact that on that 12,000 acre property NO snares nor shotguns were used for fox control! Only .303s! (You try asking your local constabulary for a firearms license for a .303 for fox control!! In most counties you'd struggle to get a license for a .222 - which does NOT guarantee a clean kill - even when you get a perfect shot! In some areas, the best you'll get is a .22!)

High powered rifles are NOT safe for use in most parts of lowland Britain! If you miss, a bullet will travel half a mile or more and kill a cow, or a horse, or a Rambler!! (And yes, even Marksmen miss foxes - because the bu**ers move!!)
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Yes I have shot foxes and taken many more with lurchers lamping. Being ex Irish Guards I do also understand the danger of bullets. Licensed marksmen are taking out foxes in our cities and as yet havent killed anybody so perhaps we should employ them to do the job.
Any excuse can be made not to go down the route of certain types of fox control however the most abhorant and cruel has rightly been banned. Nothing can change that fact and having seen with my own eyes all types of fox hunting I couldnt agre with the law more.
Thankfully our Cornish MP's ( not 'townie' MP's), who will once more return to parliament are all for the ban and represent us, not the Countryside Alliance.
 
nats said:
Hi I'm doing a presentation on hunting at college, and wondered if I could use some of your posts thanks.
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Sadly you would be wasting your own time using posts from this forum as it is monitored. To reveal the true face of hunting and expose those who break the law with abandon visit the pro hunting sites on facebook. Sickening stuff!
 
Hmm.... Interesting views from everyone I must say and I don't want to start my own little battle here but I know for a fact that all anti-hunting people are not rent-a-mob and will certainly not harm animals. I also know for a fact that all hunting people are not mild mannered meek and sweet natured people who live for caring for their horses/hounds and nod and smile kindly at all people while they are hunting. I think you'll find many youtube videos that show sabs being sworn at and abused and often ridden at by hunters. Neither party is blameless is my general message. In addition to which I'd like to state that the ban on hunting has gone unnoticed to at least one hunt that I know of. I wonder if they haven't heard about it yet?
 
Just one?

The hunting ban is much like the highway code, we're supposed to follow it, and whenever you see a copper, you make like you're following it, but all the rest of the time people do what they want...

Which does beg the question, is Mr Huntsman any more bad for hunting foxes than Mrs Pratin4x4 for driving around with her fog lights on in clear weather??
 
As far as anti's locking gates causing worry about dogs getting lost, run over etc if people can't get to them. maybe the dogs should be under control???

As someone who has had hounds running a mock chasing live stock with huntsmen running around my field and garden with no control over them whatsoever, then maybe they should be all locked in a field together?

I AM anti hunting as it disgusts me however I would not be personally rude to someone who did hunt nor tell them I was in the wrong. By reflection I expect the same respect which entales not having to have out of control predators running around my land when I have expressly told the local hunt to not enter onto my land.

A friend years ago wasn't very impressed to have the hounds and fox in her swimming pool either. Not to mention the amount of hunts that go through farmers land regardless whether or not permission has been granted as I have seen this first hand (know some of the farmers) and huntsman have left gates UNLOCKED when they should have been locked as this is what the farmer wanted.

The anti's if they want to protest should do it in a way that they will be listened too not behave like hoolagons
 
Harper_Gal said:
Just one?

The hunting ban is much like the highway code, we're supposed to follow it, and whenever you see a copper, you make like you're following it, but all the rest of the time people do what they want...

Which does beg the question, is Mr Huntsman any more bad for hunting foxes than Mrs Pratin4x4 for driving around with her fog lights on in clear weather??
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From the horses mouth so to speak lol At least you are honest unlike most of the nicey, nicey face of hunting that is normally posted on this forum and the rubbish the CA spout. Anybody that actually cares can of course go and find all the posts about catching fox cubs and running them over with cars for fun etc but the reality is not all involved in hunting do so. Most absolutely despise foxes and want them destroyed no matter what. I accept some of you dont but many, many more do.
IMO if so many are prepared to break the law then the simple answer is ban all hunting with dogs and make the hunts and packs themselves illegal. With all the boasting going on (not on here), about the ongoing illegal hunting I doubt this would be difficult.

Is illegal killing of foxes with banned methods any different to driving a vehicle in the way you describe? Why dont you put it to a public vote lol
 
Scratchline said:
From the horses mouth so to speak lol At least you are honest unlike most of the nicey, nicey face of hunting that is normally posted on this forum and the rubbish the CA spout. Anybody that actually cares can of course go and find all the posts about catching fox cubs and running them over with cars for fun etc but the reality is not all involved in hunting do so. Most absolutely despise foxes and want them destroyed no matter what. I accept some of you dont but many, many more do.
IMO if so many are prepared to break the law then the simple answer is ban all hunting with dogs and make the hunts and packs themselves illegal. With all the boasting going on (not on here), about the ongoing illegal hunting I doubt this would be difficult.

Is illegal killing of foxes with banned methods any different to driving a vehicle in the way you describe? Why dont you put it to a public vote lol
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Hunting foxes is much less offensive, I like foxes, I don't like being blinded by lights that shouldn't be on (I suffer night blindness and have had very close shaves with drivers using their foglights. I'd rather stomp on a foxes head than have a head on collision at night on a rural road!)

Yes, you could say I've prioritised things, I come before animals. So what.

For the record, I DON'T speak for ANY UK hunt. I don't know of anyone who does hunt apart from Giles. But I DO know that no one bothers to check what they're hunting, apart from a bunch of hippies who spend half their lives abusing children and killing animals to make good video footage to use in court.

So now you're suggesting all drag hunts become illegal too, as well as the two foxhound showing kennels who do little else than frequent crufts! Why don't we ban football to stop hooliganism, or ban knives to stop murder (and make eating rather interesting).

How very totalitarian of you... God forbid the supporters of the ban are totalitarian... Oh, Wai...
 
Harper_Gal said:
Hunting foxes is much less offensive, I like foxes, I don't like being blinded by lights that shouldn't be on (I suffer night blindness and have had very close shaves with drivers using their foglights. I'd rather stomp on a foxes head than have a head on collision at night on a rural road!)

Yes, you could say I've prioritised things, I come before animals. So what.

For the record, I DON'T speak for ANY UK hunt. I don't know of anyone who does hunt apart from Giles. But I DO know that no one bothers to check what they're hunting, apart from a bunch of hippies who spend half their lives abusing children and killing animals to make good video footage to use in court.

So now you're suggesting all drag hunts become illegal too, as well as the two foxhound showing kennels who do little else than frequent crufts! Why don't we ban football to stop hooliganism, or ban knives to stop murder (and make eating rather interesting).

How very totalitarian of you... God forbid the supporters of the ban are totalitarian... Oh, Wai...
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We could ban hacking altogether, just in case we upset any wildlife!! ;)
 
Farrierlover said:
Hmm.... Interesting views from everyone I must say and I don't want to start my own little battle here but I know for a fact that all anti-hunting people are not rent-a-mob and will certainly not harm animals.
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I am intrigued by your assertion that you know for a fact. I should like to see your evidence for this statement, because my quick research on the subject seems to paint a rather different picture of a group of people intent on causing mayhem. I've copied this list that I produced earlier in the thread.

January 1993 - 5 police officers injured and 25 arrests of hunt saboteurs in Essex
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1474504.html

November 1993 - injunctions for the Fitzwilliam and Portman - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...g-1504580.html

March 1994 - Saboteurs armed with fencing stakes hospitalise four members of the Four Burrow hunt
http://www.huntinginquiry.gov.uk/evi...fourburrow.htm

November 1994 - Saboteurs charged with aggravated trespass following at incident at the Woodland Pytchley Hunt
http://www.chaos.org.uk/~maureen/pr1b.html

December 1996 - saboteur arrested after causing a horse to fall onto the master, Whipper in also arrested after hitting saboteur trying to force his horse onto barbed wire

June 2002 - saboteurs carrying hammers and pick axe handles attack the Three Counties Hunt - http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/competit ... 36173.html

September 2004 - Old Surrey Hunt Kennels held under siege by violent saboteurs who threw stones at humans and hounds. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... sters.html

October 2004 - Suzanne Amos found guilty of ABH following incident at Quorn Hunt
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/58511.html

December 2006 - Saboteur arrested for carrying an offensive weapon at a meet of the Essex & Suffolk
http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/n...2021:31:07:357

September 2009 - Tiff Clelland and David Marriot were charged with public order offences, they were asked to remove the clothing covering their faces and refused becoming verbally abusive to the police who had made the request.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/20...ving_balaclava

I am fortunate enough not to have experienced these sort of tactics first hand, but I do belong to a hunt which was repeatedly targeted during the worst of the campaign. Our response has always been to never pack up, until the saboteurs had called it a day first. Combined with this there was a strict policy of no violence. I appreciate that there are bad apples on both sides of the debate, indeed my first post on this thread mentioned this very fact, but for you to make sweeping statements like the one above, whilst blackening the reputation of hunting supporters flies in the face of the available evidence.

In addition to which I'd like to state that the ban on hunting has gone unnoticed to at least one hunt that I know of. I wonder if they haven't heard about it yet?
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Again I am intrigued by this sweeping statement - top legal minds have been unable to establish this point of law as far as illegal hunting is concerned, but unless I am mistaken as to your legal qualifications you seem able to determine the difference. Post-ban hunting by its very nature is designed to replicate quarry hunting. This is obtained by skilful trail laying and the use of exempt hunting. We have invested a great deal of time and money in complying with the law, whilst making it as close to pre-ban hunting experience as possible. I suspect that your local pack has made similar changes and to be honest I rather resent these inferences that hunts are deliberately breaking the law on a daily basis.

To conclude, I don't much care whether you are pro or anti-hunting that is your call, but I do mind the casual approach that some people seem to take to the facts of the debate.
 
Scratchline said:
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Most absolutely despise foxes and want them destroyed no matter what. I accept some of you dont but many, many more do.

Jeez make your mind up!!!!!!!!!! You're contradicting yourself.


How have I contradicted myself???? One the one hand I accept foxes need some control and promote humane culling. Whereas I know the majority in hunting ranks despise the fox want all and sundry klilled by any means.
Perhaps you just cannot read my posts properly lol
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Harper_Gal said:
Hunting foxes is much less offensive, I like foxes, I don't like being blinded by lights that shouldn't be on (I suffer night blindness and have had very close shaves with drivers using their foglights. I'd rather stomp on a foxes head than have a head on collision at night on a rural road!)
You said about fog lights in clear weather, now it is night driving??

Yes, you could say I've prioritised things, I come before animals. So what.

For the record, I DON'T speak for ANY UK hunt. I don't know of anyone who does hunt apart from Giles. But I DO know that no one bothers to check what they're hunting, apart from a bunch of hippies who spend half their lives abusing children and killing animals to make good video footage to use in court.
A bunch of hippies abusing children and killing animals to make good video footage?? Oh please lol lol

So now you're suggesting all drag hunts become illegal too, as well as the two foxhound showing kennels who do little else than frequent crufts! Why don't we ban football to stop hooliganism, or ban knives to stop murder (and make eating rather interesting).

How very totalitarian of you... God forbid the supporters of the ban are totalitarian... Oh, Wai...
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You obvioulsy dont know anybody who hunts lol lol Totaltarianism will not lead to the eventual outlawing of packs of hounds. Sick behaviour by hunts and their supporters in direct conflict with the law will bring the hunts to their knees. Not because of the antis but due solely to the desire by many to rub our noses in their continued vile treatment of the British fox.
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