Harassment by the antis - anyone ever heard of this?

Scratchline said:
Rubbish. Chasing foxes over time/distance and hounds ripping them apart is illegal so no nothing has escaped my notice! If nothing had changed you lot wouldnt be so desperate for repeal now, would you?! PMSL
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Well we hunt every week without a problem, and it has hardly changed since before the ban. So repeal or not doesn't bother me either way as it has barely affected us! :D
 
JanetGeorge said:
A FAC doesn't test your ability to hit the side of a barn - merely your suitability to own and use a firearm (which includes reasons for requiring it, intended use and proof that you have safe areas to shoot.) Some pest controllers MAY have a FAC - but a quick Google revealed 15 recent 'pest control' positions - some LA and some private - NONE of them required a FAC!! And which LA's employ 'fox controllers' and why on EARTH would they need to .... ah, I forgot, to shoot foxes that dig up cricket grounds or bite small children in prams! :rolleyes:




That's as silly as saying all doctors can do brain surgery! Lurchers are sight hounds, bred for speed. Some are good catchers (some are bloody useless at catching!) Some will kill - some more competently than others - prey that is a suitable size/weight for them. Others will bringa live rabbit to hand unharmed!! Far more are good on rabbits or hares than are good on foxes!





Foxhounds are heavier and far more powerful than most lurchers and they have been bred specifically for their fox hunting/killing skills for hundreds of years in organised breeding environments - not the odd litters produced by individual breeders. Only the BEST hunting bitches in any foxhound pack are used to produce next year's young entry - maybe 4 or 5 are chosen out of a possible 25-30!! Hundreds of years of selective breeding means the foxhound is FAR superior to any other breed of dog for hunting foxes!
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Google urban fox control and educate yourself. As for lurchers there is a good post about it so nothing more to add other than Bull crosses do the job without any messing about.
 
skiddaw_lad said:
so a lurcher killing a fox is ok but not a hound ? and even a bull cross has only the same bite pressure as a foxhound .
I can assure you that is nonsense. Even some of the second cross, 3/4 greyhound 1/4 pit bulls I bred from my stud pit would shock the sh8t out of you. A fox hound does not have a bite anything like such lurchers.

[qoute]ive also googled urban fox control and very few even mention shooting and only with a caged fox
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Did you purposely ignore the Urban fox, Pest Control UK site right at the top of the page? Dont you remember Bruce Lindsay-Smith who was on TV a couple of years ago shooting foxes in West London with his rifle? Did you ignore the surrey fox control site amongst many others talking about culling with rifles? The evidence is right in front of you but you chose not to read it!
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"I can assure you that is nonsense. Even some of the second cross, 3/4 greyhound 1/4 pit bulls I bred from my stud pit would shock the sh8t out of you. A fox hound does not have a bite anything like such lurchers."

Who posted that? I can't find it:(
 
blazingsaddles said:
"I can assure you that is nonsense. Even some of the second cross, 3/4 greyhound 1/4 pit bulls I bred from my stud pit would shock the sh8t out of you. A fox hound does not have a bite anything like such lurchers."

Who posted that? I can't find it:(
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Skiddaw_lad posted that foxhounds have the same bite pressure.
 
skiddaw_lad said:
Scratchline said:
no i said "very few", or cant you read or wont you , but as you claim you were with the Irish Guards , you should know about shooting around buildings with any sort of center or rimfire weapon is not recomended and even with a open licence will be frowned upon by the law .

personaly i prefer the a terrier and humane killer/cage trap in urban enviroments , in open country during the day (at this present stage of the law) two hounds ,a terrier and a shotgun at night I would use the .308 .(but i would like a .50 bmg but you would say thats cruel)
I know what you are saying but to be fair I only posted that rifles are used abd so far safely.

oh btw , arn't any pit bull crosses included in the dangerous dogs act ??? and isnt it slightly illegal to have them as stud dogs and irresponsible
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Yes they are. I havent kept or worked lurchers for a number of years and when the DDA came in, having done all we could via radio stations and the press to prevent it, I registered my stud having him castrated, micro chipped, insured, tattoo'd and muzzled from that day on. It broke my heart and he was a shadow of his former self until he died 8 yrs later. One thing of note, when there was talk of a new law recently regarding dogs and insurance etc the insurance costs being talked of were in the hundreds of pounds?? We were all paying just ten pounds a year and that was for pit bulls. Inflation or rip of Britain again?
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rosiefronfelen said:
how come you still have a stud pit bull? are they not illegal-
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On a very serious note, as it interests me I still keep myself informed about pit bulls. They are so readily avaliable the law as it stands is and absolute joke. Googling either red nose pup/red nose staff pup etc and the dogs are very, very easy to find. I dont like the situation one bit. Before the law came in the pits were not so popular and we mostly were able to keep the bad owners away from them. The two dogs that basically led to the law being introduced ( after the death by again a Rottwieller), after attacks on poor Rukhsana Khan and the baker Frank tempest were never caught, identified or their owners found. The red tops however went into overdrive with scare stories.
Now the so called chavs have easy access to them it is really not a good situation. I cannot blame the breed from what I learned about them.
 
Scratchline said:
Thats because the cars tend to kill them outright.
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Erm... no.

It was the unfortunate outcome of Lurcher Vs. Fox (the humane way, according to you). Lurcher got his speedy little ass whipped.

He made it (because all pro hunters hate animals so much he was denied veterinary care, obviously!) - and I met him at the hunt kennels (irony).

But I don't understand how setting a dog on a fox is any more cruel than setting a dog on a fox. Am I missing the point? Or is the point simply it's ok when you do it, but cruel when soemone richer than you does it?

P.S. - Some of the Irish Guards are really rather scrummy... but I very much doubt any of them are as ignorant about using guns in proximity to buildings as you are!
 
rosiefronfelen said:
BEFORE you are so ready to jump down my throat i was answering a post by Blazing Saddles, not you-
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Not my intention to jump down your throat so I apologise. I prefer lighthearted discussion but eveyone gets so serious on here it becomes infectious. Please ignore anything that seems snappy as it really isnt meant to be.
 
Harper_Gal said:
Erm... no.

It was the unfortunate outcome of Lurcher Vs. Fox (the humane way, according to you). Lurcher got his speedy little ass whipped.

He made it (because all pro hunters hate animals so much he was denied veterinary care, obviously!) - and I met him at the hunt kennels (irony).

But I don't understand how setting a dog on a fox is any more cruel than setting a dog on a fox. Am I missing the point? Or is the point simply it's ok when you do it, but cruel when soemone richer than you does it?

P.S. - Some of the Irish Guards are really rather scrummy... but I very much doubt any of them are as ignorant about using guns in proximity to buildings as you are!
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See, here is me apologising to one poster for the way I post sometimes and then you come in mouthing off for no good reason?! Once more as you have obviously ignored what I have actually written I dont run dogs after animals anymore. I believe it was wrong and is wrong therefore I have merely with experience of all aspects of hunting changed my mind about the humaness of some. I believe if any HAD to be legal (so no I am not promioting it!), then the most humane way would be with lurchers. It is quick and final not a dragged out jolly for the hunters on horses.
Now you hit me with some rediculous comment about wealth????! Whilst the economy has been in desperate times Labout have managed to keep the interest rate around 1%. Given that I have a large amount of money in various high interest accounts I would love a Conservative government who when the economy was last in trouble managed to get interest rates to 15.3%. So no, it aint about money honey.
As for being ignorant about using guns around buildings save you little dig for someone who actually does so. I merely pointed out that is what is happening!
 
Crikey, has someone been on the cherry brandy already, bit early for that! Seriously, I haven't posted about owning or breeding bull/greyhounds, I only suggested they were a better lurcher for taking foxes than a little skinny rabbiter. But FYI bull/greyhound lurchers are still popular, some second or even third generation and I have no doubt that there are plenty of 'pit bull types' (rolls eyes) alive and kicking in many inner cities across the country.

Scratchline and I are not one and the same, just have an appreciation of a decent working lurcher so no need to start sticking pins. :D
 
blazingsaddles said:
"I can assure you that is nonsense. Even some of the second cross, 3/4 greyhound 1/4 pit bulls I bred from my stud pit would shock the sh8t out of you. A fox hound does not have a bite anything like such lurchers."

Who posted that? I can't find it:(
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no, i have NOT been on the cherry brandy or anything else, so do you deny saying this, simple question requiring a simple answer- also what do you know of a hounds bite. lol!!
 
i am not sticking pins, no point in that rubbish, but would just like a straight answer, also we have had lurchers ourselves for years and lost our old dear last year after so many faithful years and now we have a brindle cracker, who is brill. at her job already.
 
"I can assure you that is nonsense. Even some of the second cross, 3/4 greyhound 1/4 pit bulls I bred from my stud pit would shock the sh8t out of you. A fox hound does not have a bite anything like such lurchers."


I marked the above statement with quotation marks as it was taken from another post!
The bit below was the part I wrote.

Who posted that? I can't find it

...........and I still can't find it!

also, Scratchline has stated he wrote the part I have marked with quotation marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and I also haven't stated anything about a hounds bite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!slowly losing the will to live..........................
 
i guess i owe you an apology, i am now totally confused and think it is best to let sleeping dogs ly.i think this is to do with Scratchlines posts and i have misconstrued everything. so please feel free to regain your desire to live!!
 
I don't do mouthing off, Scratchline, I've got a decent argument for hunting, I don't need to call names!

I post with a touch of humour... (I'm a little hyperactive 99% of the time) - so do yourself a favour, read what I say as you imagine I might say it (picture me hanging off the ceiling if it helps!) and don't take it personally!!
 
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