Hardest decision, think might have to have healthy pony PTS :(

Well I hate to point it out, but that is not my problem! I have offered my advice and opinions, you know - the sort of thing you do on forums.

He belongs to the owner (oddly) and at the end of the day it will be up to them with advice from the OP. If they want him sold they need to work through this with someone in natural horsemanship who works with problem horses for a living... they'll have a HAPPY pony at the end of it!!

At the end of the day though and if you are so concerned and really want him shot why not get the names of everyone on here and make a petition to give to the owner!

I can tell you my name would not be on it as I do not have blinkers on nor a blind fold before that remark comes along!! I am just seeing it from the other side which clearly a lot of you do not agree with!
 
Jess1 said:
He belongs to the owner (oddly) and at the end of the day it will be up to them with advice from the OP. If they want him sold they need to work through this with someone in natural horsemanship who works with problem horses for a living... they'll have a HAPPY pony at the end of it!!
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So you think an owner who will not acknowledge the pony has a problem will "work through this with someone in natural horsemanship who works with problem horses for a living"

and you say you are not blinkered??
 
My own personal beliefs are not blinkered, they're just different.

I cannot control the circumstances - and nor can you - but I think if I was in the owners current position and the person who had him in their care came to me and said your pony needs shooting, he's dangerous, I might just listen!

If that doesn't work then the OP has done all she can in her position and good on her for trying.

This is not about personal differences and what everyone might think and then say about each other’s posts it is about a defenseless pony and person in a very difficult position! I know if I had asked for advice I would have got tired of reading through the sly remarks between comments by now and given up!

Good luck to the OP, like I have always said... I hope there is a happy ending... other than the pony living happily ever after in heaven!
 
""If they want him sold they need to work through this with someone in natural horsemanship who works with problem horses for a living... they'll have a HAPPY pony at the end of it!!""


All hail Natural blo*dy Horsemanship - god theres some boll*cks spouted on here.
 
Jess you only seem to be able to see what could/should happen in an ideal world with endless time, resource and money, and IMO that IS blinkered. IMO- natural horsemanship really is not the cure all for everything, if anything at all.
 
Jess1 said:
It's so unfortunate for you that it actually works!
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Well if it works, I personally will send this pony to wherever you are for assesment.

I bet you he will still be bolting.

fyi he has done join up/roundwork ect.

Maybe a carrot stick would stop him!
 
R2R said:
Well if it works, I personally will send this pony to wherever you are for assesment.

I bet you he will still be bolting.

fyi he has done join up/roundwork ect.

Maybe a carrot stick would stop him!
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What about PFs banana stick? ;-)
 
" Quote :- So, tictac, charlie and yourself have PM'd the OP with the offer of £500..roughly £165 each, to re-hab this pony?

very commendable.

let us all know what the outcome is, wont you? Quote "

nativeponies, what are you talking about?
 
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amymay said:
Well, you can't say fairer than that.
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Offer is open to anyone...any takers? I will pay you to assess him, up to 2 weeks livery (he lives out) and then we can make a fair assesment.

Prefer close to Surrey - by close I mean up to 100 miles away.
 
lexiedhb said:
Jess you only seem to be able to see what could/should happen in an ideal world with endless time, resource and money.
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Correct if it would give the pony a future!

I am not in this to argue and for christ sake, sorry but you lot need to learn to accept someone else's opinion - I haven't said you MUST do this that and the other, just said what I would do and my thoughts on the matter!!! But you know, maybe i should just become a sheep and say "shoot it", follow the trend and be in with the crowd on here, why not.

But then why on earth would I want to do that when it isn't what I believe!

Put him to sleep if you want, I'm done if I am going to try and be helpful anymore!
 
R2R has made an open offer Jess......are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is on this - youve told us what you would do.....are you prepared to do it??
 
TicTac said:
No horse should be considered a lost cause untill it has been given every chance but there again that is not always possible and it often takes very special people to sort them out.
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The very special people with the skill and experience required to manage, not cure a pony like this are busy out competing their genuinely talented, adult sized, valuable horses. Unless you make it worth their while by placing this pony at livery with them at great expense, then they may be able to do great things with it but when they send it home would you be happy to send your kid off to have fun on it, just because (eg.) Mark Todd can get a tune out of it?
 
R2R said:
Offer is open to anyone...any takers? I will pay you to assess him, up to 2 weeks livery (he lives out) and then we can make a fair assesment.

Prefer close to Surrey - by close I mean up to 100 miles away.
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You'd be better offering that money to the owners then doing what Native ponies said ages ago IMO.
 
I would, and I am close to Surrey, however, I have been shot down so many times during this post then I am not sure it would be worth my while with the sarcastic 'told you so's'.
You see, the trouble with the internet is no one really knows anything about who anyone is or what they have done so they jump to conclusions that some one has no equine knowledge.

I am the manager of one of the largest equestrian centres in the south, I have almost completed my BHSI with help from some of the top trainers in the country and have helped produce many quirky, naughty and downright dangerous horses and ponies. One of which came to us as an unrideable 4 yr old,would bolt, spin, bronc, had had 5 different homes, left us having competed at advanced level BE and finished in the top ten at the olympics as a 9 yr old. Just one of many tricky animals we have had to deal with.
In our business we often are offered horses and ponies that are on the final line, we work with them and try our best to sort their issues out, don't get me wrong, we don't always crack it but with give them our best shot.

Not at all saying that I could help.


But, as its been pointed out, I have no idea what I am talking about! R2R, if you want to PM me with a few more details then feel free but if you think I am talking rubbish then please feel free to ignore me.

Oh, and I know I said I was walking away but The whole situation has my intrest.
 
I love this and how the pony has suddenly become my responsibility just so you can all hope it back fires, that natural horsemanship does F' all just becasue I chose to believe in something that collectively you all think is wrong/pointless/boll*cks... whatever you want to call it. You'll never know unless you really try it!!

Unfortunately I am not even afraid to say no, not becuase I do not want to take the pony and give him a chance, but because I work in an office - do not have £500 to buy a pony - and only have the time for my one horse. Also, I live in Devon - a bit further than 100 miles away!

There are plenty of people that don't work though or that work with horses and that have pocket-fulls of money and the skills to help... but then you probably don't want to hear that!
 
In my humble opinion, and putting aside the issue of whether NH can cure him or not, the owners should have the pony back and give him a home for life as companion or field ornament. If they've lost their jobs/house/partner/sanity and this isn't possible then he should be PTS for his own sake. If they've got other ponies and no room then they should sell one of them in order to give him a home. Why should he be PTS or sold on to an undertain future because he's an "inconvenience" (which in this case means "unrideable").

If no ones willing/able to try to sort his problems then it's the owners that have failed and they at least owe him a life even if it's a life that a lot of people believe is worthless....
 
I love this and how the pony has suddenly become my responsibility just so you can all hope it back fires
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Actually, you've been asked for a recommendation - not to buy the pony.

And I'm sure everyone on here whose opinion is PTS would be delighted to be proved wrong. After all we are all horse lovers.

So who do you recommend?
 
Absolutely Amymay.

This doesnt answer the OPs dilema though given that she herself isnt the owner. She has been put in a very difficult situation in that if the pony is rehomed from her yard she is implicated if it continues to be 'dangerous', she is implicated if she suggests the owners send it to an NH yard for assesment and it continues to be 'dangerous', she is implicated if she tells them to PTS.

My original thoughts stand Im afraid, not ideal, but Id be asking them to remove the pony if they want to sell it.
 
spaniel said:
This doesnt answer the OPs dilema though given that she herself isnt the owner. She has been put in a very difficult situation in that if the pony is rehomed from her yard she is implicated if it continues to be 'dangerous', she is implicated if she suggests the owners send it to an NH yard for assesment and it continues to be 'dangerous', she is implicated if she tells them to PTS.

My original thoughts stand Im afraid, not ideal, but Id be asking them to remove the pony if they want to sell it.
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Agree. All she can do is return the pony and explain what could happen to the pony if they sell it on (or rather, what could happen to a child who unwittingly ended up riding it) and that if they won't keep it permanently, or try to work through it's problems (explaining that this could be expensive and may not cure the problem), they should PTS.

Then it's the owners decision.
 
Apologies, I read the post wrong!

If you really want an answer then my honest suggestions would be Monty Roberts, but yes, he lives in America (not stupid) so Kelly Marks or any of Intelligent Horsemanship's Recommended Associates. That is where I would look for help!!
 
Jess1 said:
Apologies, I read the post wrong!

If you really want an answer then my honest suggestions would be Monty Roberts, but yes, he lives in America (not stupid) so Kelly Marks or any of Intelligent Horsemanship's Recommended Associates. That is where I would look for help!!
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He's at Towerlands on Saturday so he might be about with Kelly......
 
Trouble is, this pony sometimes operates without bolting, right? Monty Roberts might have a fabulous time with it at his demo showing what an easy pony it is, but do you really think that is going to make it dependable for a kid in the future?
 
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