Hardest decision, think might have to have healthy pony PTS :(

R2R said:
I dont think you could call to question my finances simply from reading a post on an internet forum.

Quite simply, he BOLTS WHEN HE SPOOKS...it is nothing to do with his back (which, by the way, I have had checked by my vet, at cost to me, as have his teeth)
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And this we have had deduced from reading a post on the internet!!!
 
TicTac said:
And this we have had deduced from reading a post on the internet!!!
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Nooo, I think you'll find she's deduced this from having had the pony in her care and control for some time and having had it's teeth and back checked!

Incidentally my bolter also has nothing wrong with his back or teeth - his problems are all human-made. Most people would have shot him, he's lucky he was big enough for me to ride and that I was able to suss out what causes him to panic.
 
I Havent had time to read all the replies - but i get the guist....
i'll put my twopennyworth in...
One of my ponies is a bucker - he bucks when he spooks (big buggers) has done it all his life. Have had everything checked a million times. It's his natural 'flight' reaction. I cant see how it can be changed, dont think it can be??!! - its his NATURAL reaction. I have learned to live with it - but a child on a bolter....NNNNOOOOOO!
 
Posts like this are very emotive and always get alot of discussion but we can only go on what we are told by the original OP. I am not disputing what the pony does but we may only know half the story.

I know that people reply to these posts with good intentions but sometimes think that problems like this shouldn't be aired on a public forum. At the end of the day the pony is the responsibility of the owner or person who is caring for it, however complicated that ownership may be.

What is the purpose of this post? To see how many people think that the pony should be shot or to see how many people come up with idea's about what may be wrong with it?

If I had to make a decision about needing to have my horse PTS, I would'nt ask a load of strangers on a forum if I were doing the right thing. I know my horse and I know it's circumstance. End of.

Harsh reply? Yes!
 
nativeponies said:
A lot of us aren't "strangers" TicTic.

The OP isn't one for telling "half a story" either

And why would your reply be harsh?
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No, maybe not strangers in the sense of being internet familiar with somebody but do you know the original OP personally and have you seen the pony?

I am not disputing that the OP is not telling it like it is but am wondering what the point of the post is really?

Either she makes the decision to have the pony PTS or she works through its problems.

The reason I said my post maybe harsh is because I am going against the grain rather than agreeing and people don't like that.
 
I am also not that emotive - not my horse! My actual purpose was to see if anyone has anything further for me to try with him - however whilst alot of opinions have been given, I think you will note that over 22 pages people have only suggested I do what I have already done!
 
R2R said:
I am also not that emotive - not my horse! My actual purpose was to see if anyone has anything further for me to try with him - however whilst alot of opinions have been given, I think you will note that over 22 pages people have only suggested I do what I have already done!
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So what have you decided to do with him then?
 
Tictac- that is EXACTLY was I was trying to say a few posts back. No one can judge whether a pony should be PTS based on what a load of strangers on a forum decides- a would 99% of people who has replied on this thread do not know the pony or the OP.
Everyone would be up in arms if some one asked advice on a medical issue and a load of people who have not assessed the situation in person, advised for the animal to be destroyed without even seeing it! Its no different, its giving advice on an assumption.
 
So how many more people would you put on this pony and in front of what witnesses to have it proved to your satisfaction that the pony bolts and is a danger to itself and others?
 
So every time someone posts something on here the response from ALL should be " I couldnt possibly have an opinion, as i do not know you, your horse, or your situation"


DONT BE SO DAFT!!!
 
Its not about that, phew, exhuasting! For the final time, I have not, at any point ( look back on my posts and see) that the pony should not be PTS if the OWNER and the OP decided for themselves, using their judgement, that is is to dangerous and beyond help. What I have said is, it is not for a load of strangers, on a forum, with no knowledge of the pony in the flesh, no knowledge of its enviroment, no real knowledge of whats been tried with him and how the pony reacts (as no-one on here as far as I know has seen what the pony does for themselves) to advise the best way forward for the pony.
I am sure that the OP is an experienced horseperson ( as I also stated earlier) and will be able to, with the agreement of the owner, to do the right thing by the pony.

ETA- of course you can have an opinion but it seems, following this post, that unless you agree to have the pony PTS then your opinion isn't worth listening too.
 
Going by that theory, nobody should post anything on here then. I posted for some schooling advice/ideas... going by your theory as no-one on here has seen me or the horse then nobody should have given me any suggestions that were in their opinion things that might help!

The OP gave all the details and was asking what people would do if they were in the same situation... to which people answered. End of.
 
If the pony is dangerous, you have explored all options regarding physical pain, you can't afford to keep at a non ridden pet and you're not willing to sell or loan out as a companion as your worried where or with who he might end up then have him PTS.
At the moment there are so many good horses and ponies for sale so with his issues he's prob only worth meat money anyway.
So save the little mite from suffering in the wrong hands, being passed on from pillar to post and PTS.
 
Head- bang- wall!

Charlie- I have no where stated that the only option is to PTS- however the OP does not OWN this pony and should not be lumbered with its rehabilitation IMO- the owners want to sell on a dangerous pony- lets hope a relative of yours does not buy it for their child.
Exactly what I mean Katikins!!
 
Not at all, but there is a huge difference between a bit of advise on a schooling issue and advising to end the life of an animal that doesn't actually belong to the OP.

OP- if the owner wants the pony sold and will not take your advise- simple answer, walk away- let them deal with it.
 
Perhaps those people who are concerned that the pony may be put to sleep could now help the OP with selling it (as decided by the owners).

There will probably be quite a few viewings, and the OP will need some jockeys. So for those of you that do have kids, maybe you could contact the OP to volunteer them.
 
charlie76 said:
Not at all, but there is a huge difference between a bit of advise on a schooling issue and advising to end the life of an animal that doesn't actually belong to the OP.
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Not really when it comes down to it. I could be very naive and inexperienced and try some advanced stuff which could potentially be v dangerous to both me and the horse. The OP asked for opinions for what people would do in her situation... as many (myself included) have stated, we would PTS. I would say the same to anyone who came along and said that their dog had started attacking people! The only difference is by law the dog has to be PTS, the pony can be passed along to hurt someone else!
 
and to prove my point....some one has an opinion... lets take the mickey. Not really fair. At no point have I mocked any posts or suggestions that any of you have made.

Walking away from this thread now, OP, do what you think is right, I am sure you know what you are doing and will do whats right for you, your family and the pony.
 
amymay said:
Perhaps those people who are concerned that the pony may be put to sleep could now help the OP with selling it (as decided by the owners).

There will probably be quite a few viewings, and the OP will need some jockeys. So for those of you that do have kids, maybe you could contact the OP to volunteer them.
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I bet you aren't flattened in the rush, AM :rolleyes:
 
Well, after a long read I can see only one option given the attitude of many on HHO at the moment.

This pony doesnt belong to the OP so its not really down to her what happens to it. My advice to OP (dispite any opinion I may have about what should happen to the pony) is to put the ball firmly in the court of the owners but ask them NOT to sell it from my property as IMO it isnt suitable.
 
charlie76 said:
and to prove my point....some one has an opinion... lets take the mickey. Not really fair. At no point have I mocked any posts or suggestions that any of you have made.

Walking away from this thread now, OP, do what you think is right, I am sure you know what you are doing and will do whats right for you, your family and the pony.
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And TicTac, the most sensible posts I have read on here that have offered OTHER options, as I have to, but they have all seemingly been shouted down because they bucked the trend!!

The OP posted a way back about the pony being terrified of people and therefore you could not catch him - I've already said that there's half your problem - he is petrified of people and therefore even more so once they are on his back (or trying to get on) - hence the bolting. In the wild he would not simply stand there and let a lion (or similer) climb on him and drag him down and then kill him - a very simple example, but that's all he is thinking.

There are people and ways to help with this to give him a chance, make him realise that the people in his life (ironically) are not going to kill him as that is currently what he is going on - he's a prey animal after all and should not be shunned for this, or for that matter called stupid or screwed up in the head!! When he works well, he'll have just found a comfort zone where he is happy and he'll be able to offer the moon, but then suddenly something tiny will make his comfort zone insecure - hence the bolting. It's simple psychology!

I wish I had the time to take him off your hands and give him a second chance!!

We all want what is best for the situation (in our own opinions) I am sure, it is just that some have different thoughts/ideas to suggest other than jumping on the band wagon.

If the owners will not agree to consider anything sensible to investigate further then they should take full responsibility for their property and you should walk away at the very end of the day and as a very last straw!
 
So, tictac, charlie and yourself have PM'd the OP with the offer of £500..roughly £165 each, to re-hab this pony?

very commendable.

let us all know what the outcome is, wont you?
 
nativeponies... why don't you pay for the bullet then!!

...and personally I don't think the OP is looking for someone to buy him on here (somewhat against forum rules), or for you to offer him as for sale either - I beleive she was asking for OPINIONS not for a bitch fight!!!!
 
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Jess1 said:
I am not disputing that, but there are people in the world that do it for a living and therefore do have the time!
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Who, I imagine would want paying??? it is not the OP's pony, and its owners deny there is anything wrong with it and want to sell it- so are not likey to pay someone for their services are they?????????? :rolleyes:
 
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