moana
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How horrific = for anybody to witness. I am just pleased the horse died so quickly as I would hate to think of the pain he would have suffered.
Has anyone else seen this? How horrific!
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dalesponydiva
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Whatever we think of the people involved it is a terrible tragedy...poor horse RIP
happyclappy
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being nipped by a dog is natural, just not wanted in non natural situations, ie, where people/horses/lorries captivity are involved. ths is awful but the poor hores as always is the loser. i feel for anybody who saw it.
Tiffany
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Why did the owner stand by and watch this idiot do this to their horse? I hope he gets banned from keeping horses
lastchancer
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How do these NH clowns get insurance? When I looked into taking horses on for starting I was told I'd need BHS qualifications.
Cherrydan
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Not all Natural Horsemanship are clowns, in my experience far from it. However IF this did happen, then its a horrible thing to experience. I dont know why, but I dont know whether to believe it...Im not on fb, so cant really readup about it.I hope it isnt true, poor horse.
Iownayetti
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Just up the road from me and unfortunately it IS true
Moomin1
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It really annoys me how so many people believe everything they read on Facebook, without remotely thinking that maybe, just maybe, there was a lot more to the story.
Like you, I wouldn't want to make a judgement on whether it really happened this way or not, unless I was in possession of the full facts. If it did happen the way it was described, then I doubt very much the owner 'didn't have time' to do anything to stop it though.
Ibblebibble
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then I doubt very much the owner 'didn't have time' to do anything to stop it though. isn't that a judgement right there ?
of course there are always 2 or even sometimes 3 sides to every story, but even 3 people who were there at the time will often give 3 different accounts of what happened based on their own perception, none of them wrong, but all different.
Rather the same as on here, how do we know with any certainty that people are telling even an ounce of truth in their posts?
i can never quite understand why people who spend a lot of time on a forum or social media posting their opinion then proceed to discount every one elses as being unfounded because it is on a forum or social media!!
Cherrydan
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I agree, the other day my son asked me if their were real life hobgoblins, for a laugh (i was bored, lol), i said there was...i knew youtube wouldnt disappoint, so we sat and watched goblins, lol. Thats the thing about the internet, people see it and believe it.
If it were true and the owners/buyer did nothing but post on facebook, then they are as guilty as the yo...If I watched a murder happen, I could say if I thought I was out of my depth, I would attempt to escape from situation to get help, If I couldnt, I would plead for it to stop, there and then....If I stood, without a gun to my head, keeping schtum, then morally I am just as bad as hypothetical murderer. However, I could go on fb, say how terrible it was and be distanced or absolved of any crime, morally or otherwise...
You do the math...
Iownayetti
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Like I have just posted. this outfit is just up the road from me and sadly it is true, plus a few other ' incidents' that in my opinion should be investigated, and I for one are chuffed that this has been brought out into the open.
It wont save this sweet horse but it may well save others from ill treatment if this clown is prosecuted, so I am saying thank god for facebook in the instance.
It wont save this sweet horse but it may well save others from ill treatment if this clown is prosecuted, so I am saying thank god for facebook in the instance.
Cherrydan
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I dont mean or want to antagonise, but did you see it? What evidence have you seen to make this subjectively concrete.
I live near a church, someone could start a fb thread, saying vicar was killed in there, I could then say oh its true, because I live near there.
For it to be true for me, I would have to have seen it happen, seen the body, or at least police cars, ambulances attending, or it could appear on the news, or from a RELIABLE source...That is when I believe it, until then, its just gossip.
Floxie
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Heehee spot on
Iownayetti
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This is my last post on the thread because you are obviously hell bent on being pedantic.
No I didn't see it but I do know the poor sod that had to move the carcass...Oh !!!!...but wait !..maybe he imagined it all !!
lastchancer
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What on earth are you going on about?
Regardless of the clown/hobgoblin/nh trainer -
RIP The poor horse.
Cherrydan
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Why, what else is happening? How havent you reported such incidents KNOWING they are true? Thank god for fb, Id be thanking God for people who havent stood back and allowed a 'clown' to inflict suffering on these alleged poor horses, it takes a clown not to report a clown imho.
Ibblebibble
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very very easy to sit in the safety of your house and decide how you would react in any given situation, the reality is often very different. I always said i would scream blue murder if i was ever attacked, poke their eyes out, kick them in the nuts etc etc, in reality i stood frozen and mute until i was saved by my dog.
Moomin1
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then I doubt very much the owner 'didn't have time' to do anything to stop it though. isn't that a judgement right there ?
of course there are always 2 or even sometimes 3 sides to every story, but even 3 people who were there at the time will often give 3 different accounts of what happened based on their own perception, none of them wrong, but all different.
Rather the same as on here, how do we know with any certainty that people are telling even an ounce of truth in their posts?
i can never quite understand why people who spend a lot of time on a forum or social media posting their opinion then proceed to discount every one elses as being unfounded because it is on a forum or social media!!
Not a very clever answer there. I passed an opinion on the situation IF it were true, not passed a judgement by saying it IS true. Two very different things. I said I wouldn't be in a position to judge whether it were true or not, BUT if it is then my OPINION that the owner should have had time to step in.
My point is, that it is ridiculous for people to start spouting their mouths off saying this, that and the other DID happen and it's disgusting, person should be prosecuted and banned etc etc, without knowing the facts.
Cherrydan
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I dont think I need to explain, its a simple post, really.
Moomin1
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How does removing a carcass prove any facts?
Spring Feather
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Some horses can be total eejits to load and if not handled with caution, yes they can flip over very quickly. The person loading the horse should be able to read the horse and react immediately to adverse situation the horse may get itself into. Usually there is time to take avoiding action but if the handler is slightly preoccupied then things can go wrong quickly. We're commercial shippers and handle a lot of horses but we never ever take our eyes off the horse we are loading as you need to be fully aware of it's body language if you want to avert an accident should the horse get a bit carried away with itself. Poor horse, maybe a total accident, maybe not, sad nonetheless.
Cherrydan
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If I saw a horse in the above situation,I KNOW that if I was out of my depth, I would get a trusted trainer out (run for help), If that wasnt possible at that time, I would say stop (plead), If it didnt, I would leave and call the emergency services to ask advice or help of who to call...If i stood back,watching, then shame on me.
Cherrydan
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I agree again, becoming quite a theme,lol
Fides
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I've seen first hand how quickly a loading episode can deteriorate if someone is abusing the horse - I intervened very quickly but it didn't stop the poor horse being traimatised and gasping for breath. Perhaps someone did try to intervene, but maybe not in time? Trust me, it takes guts to stand up to some of these people who think they know what they are doing without them calling you a 'novice' as they have more 'experience'. Or maybe they did just stand there and watch... Either way I feel very, very sorry for the poor horse.
lastchancer
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Hardly fair to criticise people who didn't intervene. After all, how many stood by and watched the whole Catwalk episode?
zaminda
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A very good point about the Catwalk episode, so many people stood and watched that. I'm sure they felt the professional had it under control, although the new buyer is by the look of it also a pro.
I like to think that at the point the baler twine was whipped out I would at least have asked what he was doing! However, horses can flip over in the blink of an eye. One of ours flipped on concrete after breaking loose one day, and some how got away with it.
I like to think that at the point the baler twine was whipped out I would at least have asked what he was doing! However, horses can flip over in the blink of an eye. One of ours flipped on concrete after breaking loose one day, and some how got away with it.
Elsiecat
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But those who didn't intervene are criticising the man for his actions.
If they didn't feel in the situation that anything was wrong to intervene about, then maybe the man also didn't see anything wrong in the situation. We are only going off one recount of events.
I don't know why he's getting all the blame.
Poor horse.
ETA: I think people need to be very careful joining in the mud-slinging of this dealer. It's all very he said/she said.
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Moomin1
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Dry Rot
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Can someone please explain the significance of the baler twine because I just don't get it? Was this to make some sort of impromptu control head collar? And, if so, how would this be worse than, say, the Be Nice (which to me is anything but nice, with it's row of metal studs!)? And where would this be placed if not over the neck and nose? <confused>
Certainly a terrible accident but I truly don't see who is to blame, if anyone. **** happens.
Certainly a terrible accident but I truly don't see who is to blame, if anyone. **** happens.
Polar Bear9
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I think, without being there, no one could possibly make judgement on what the people there should or shouldn't have done. IMO if this did happen in the way reported here the person who has the ultimate responsibility and who should take the blame was the handler, the man who carried out these actions. Yes maybe the others could/ should have intervened but how can we possibly sit here, behind our keyboards, and criticise people who must have undergone a very traumatic experience when we have no way of knowing what the situation really was. I'm not saying either or any party was in the wrong, and if this happened to me I have no doubt I would have intervened, but its different when you are in a situation and a post of facebook is not sufficient for me to criticise anyones actions taken in the heat of the moment.
This is why if I ever had an experience like this or similar any of the other 'dodgy dealer', etc scenarios posted on facebook, I would not go online and talk about it.
This is why if I ever had an experience like this or similar any of the other 'dodgy dealer', etc scenarios posted on facebook, I would not go online and talk about it.