Has anyone else seen this? How horrific!

If this truly happened as the OP from facebook states, then poor horse and rightly so the trainer should be reported immediately. I would also hope that the owner and buyer realise the consequences of their own inaction, although am highly aware how quickly situations can so quickly turn sour, especially where horses are involved.

However, I hate to think what damage posts like this can do, to a legitimate or respected business, where there is not full truth in the accusations. For me, I would have not posted on facebook as soon as I walked in the door, I would have been on the phone to the police or any appropriate horsey organisation that could help, while still stood in his yard. I certainly would have reacted in any other way than to jump onto the internet and let a group of strangers know.

I do not know the trainer in question, or the horse, just simply realising how dangerous the internet can be, and if this post was a true account, how dangerous some people can be too. That includes the trainer, and keyboard warriors, who view all they read with absolute truth.
 
Having seen what has been said I am horrified something hasn't been done sooner. Is it not true that this man has been starving and dehydrating horses as punishment for "bad" behaviour for some time. Horse and Hound need to put this as an article.
 
Ibblebibble said:
i can never quite understand why people who spend a lot of time on a forum or social media posting their opinion then proceed to discount every one elses as being unfounded because it is on a forum or social media!!
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lastchancer said:
Hardly fair to criticise people who didn't intervene. After all, how many stood by and watched the whole Catwalk episode?
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Very true. People can be too trusting of 'professionals' (and I use that term veeeeerrrrry loosely in the case of Mr Parelli).
 
I have been given an infraction for my opinion. From what I have seen on passed posts why is it this threads gets a reaction from the normally dormant moderators. A horse dies and they don't allow opinions. The bloke needs showing the error of his ways.
 
I used to use a pressure halter on my horse and the first few times I did yes he reared , now I was watching him and immediately slackened the tension, and he never tripped or went anywhere near backwards however accidents can happen and bailer twine is as somebody else mentioned earlier extension of a homemade pressure halter .

Yes a horse has lost his life which is very sad but the mass hysterical reaction I have read ( on fb ) is certainly over the top especially as we are getting one side of the story.

The police would have no interest in the matter and the RSPCA only if obvious abuse is shown, mainly if the horses have food and water rightly or wrongly they are not interested !
 
lannerch said:
I used to use a pressure halter on my horse and the first few times I did yes he reared , now I was watching him and immediately slackened the tension, and he never tripped or went anywhere near backwards however accidents can happen and bailer twine is as somebody else mentioned earlier extension of a homemade pressure halter .

Yes a horse has lost his life which is very sad but the mass hysterical reaction I have read ( on fb ) is certainly over the top especially as we are getting one side of the story.

The police would have no interest in the matter and the RSPCA only if obvious abuse is shown, mainly if the horses have food and water rightly or wrongly they are not interested !
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Which was pretty much the point I was trying to make by posing the question about the use of baler twine. And it was a question, not an opinion, which I notice no one has answered until lannerch. What IS the significance of using baler twine to fashion an emergency control head collar? No hidden agenda, a simple straight forward question in search of enlightenment!

I really think some posters should remember that it is hysteria that fuels race hatred, religious extremism, way out politics (Nazi-ism?), homo (and other) phobias, etc. and try to cool down and deal first with the bare unemotional facts.
 
lannerch said:
I used to use a pressure halter on my horse and the first few times I did yes he reared , now I was watching him and immediately slackened the tension, and he never tripped or went anywhere near backwards however accidents can happen and bailer twine is as somebody else mentioned earlier extension of a homemade pressure halter .

Yes a horse has lost his life which is very sad but the mass hysterical reaction I have read ( on fb ) is certainly over the top especially as we are getting one side of the story.

The police would have no interest in the matter and the RSPCA only if obvious abuse is shown, mainly if the horses have food and water rightly or wrongly they are not interested !
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Rearing can be a fairly common reaction to a pressure halter in this sort of battle situation. Possibly on level ground he would not have gone over, but add the angle of a box ramp into the mix and it was a stupid risk to have taken. Gravity has a habit of always winning.
 
lastchancer said:
Hardly fair to criticise people who didn't intervene. After all, how many stood by and watched the whole Catwalk episode?
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I don't think the cases are the same .
In the case being discussed both the people watching had responsibility for the horse .
The simple fact that as the buyer I was responsible for this horses future would have meant I would have planned the removal so I was in control .
I would have been living with dealing with the issue so I would wanted to handle it not allow others to do .
 
Ladyinred said:
Rearing can be a fairly common reaction to a pressure halter in this sort of battle situation. Possibly on level ground he would not have gone over, but add the angle of a box ramp into the mix and it was a stupid risk to have taken. Gravity has a habit of always winning.
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Hind sight is a wonderful thing. Sometimes we have to take risks in extreme situations and anyone who hasn't had to make those decisions hasn't had much to do with livestock.
 
Hind sight is wonderful and rearing is probably the thing that put the horse at most risk during a non loading incident .
It's not great for the people either .
 
its another bizarre story that has caused facebook hysteria (similar to the lengths of the black Andalusian being put to sleep).
Girl sends horse to trainer to be re schooled for 800 pounds, horse is then advertised as free to good home as has notorious quirks including loading, girl 2 turns up looking for a free horse decided she likes said free horse, wants to take free horse away knowing full well it has a loading issue and has previously been sedated. Trainer tries a bit force (i would actually be impressed if he 'set the dog upon horse', many a time has my dog seen/heard my horse misbehave on concrete and bark and snap) tries a bit of bailing twine (heaven forbid) horse has adverse reaction , slips while rearing and dies.
tragic accident in my opinion.
There is no mention that trainer ordered a multitude of whips to start thrashing horse, horse not in state, pitch fork rammed up arse, tractor driven at it.

In the heat of the moment, i am sure we have all reacted to a horse in a way that could have caused an accident, we are not all perfect.

i.e horse refusing to get off my foot, was in agony so i thumped in head, freaked the horse who cracked his nose on the door. there is no need to report me either. he broke my foot, i couldnt move the thing, heat of the moment, i do not wish a facebook page to be set up about me saying how terrible i am and should be in jail.

just my thought anyhoo.
 
Something similar happened at a local hunter trial my dad was at twenty odd years ago. A horse wouldn't load, some people offered to help, I don't know what they did but the horse reared, went over and died (this would have been on grass so perhaps it broke it's neck). I just remember my dad telling me never to offer to help load someone else's horse. Sometimes things just go wrong, but as I said I wouldn't have used or recommended this guy anyway as I've seen pics of him on FB of him standing on the back of a youngster sent to him for starting. This obviously wasn't a problem for the owner as it was her who posted the pics singing his praises but it's not something I approve of on any horse, let alone a baby.
 
Yes a horse has died your right and the way people are speaking is totally understandable. The bloke deserves what he's getting.
 
tonkatoy said:
its another bizarre story that has caused facebook hysteria (similar to the lengths of the black Andalusian being put to sleep).
Girl sends horse to trainer to be re schooled for 800 pounds, horse is then advertised as free to good home as has notorious quirks including loading, girl 2 turns up looking for a free horse decided she likes said free horse, wants to take free horse away knowing full well it has a loading issue and has previously been sedated. Trainer tries a bit force (i would actually be impressed if he 'set the dog upon horse', many a time has my dog seen/heard my horse misbehave on concrete and bark and snap) tries a bit of bailing twine (heaven forbid) horse has adverse reaction , slips while rearing and dies.
tragic accident in my opinion.
There is no mention that trainer ordered a multitude of whips to start thrashing horse, horse not in state, pitch fork rammed up arse, tractor driven at it.

In the heat of the moment, i am sure we have all reacted to a horse in a way that could have caused an accident, we are not all perfect.

i.e horse refusing to get off my foot, was in agony so i thumped in head, freaked the horse who cracked his nose on the door. there is no need to report me either. he broke my foot, i couldnt move the thing, heat of the moment, i do not wish a facebook page to be set up about me saying how terrible i am and should be in jail.

just my thought anyhoo.
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AmandaMT said:
It isn't just one case with him though is it. This was taken from Facebook where it seems more then one person has issues with ... training.

"I used to be a livery there and this is the ... I know! I can remember your horse being there Carinna, catching is probably the only thing he can genuinely do. He has no talent as a rider just bullies them into submission. The conditions they were kept in were disgusting, the beds were dirty, they had one slice of hay to last from 5pm, the water tubs were disgusting and there was a welsh mare who would eat her entire bed she was so hungry. Ask him about his methods, tying horses up to solid rails from 9am to 5pm every day with no water or food to "teach them manners" and depriving them of water over night if they were difficult to ride. I left very quickly and wouldn't trust him with a goldfish now."
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So why did Owner 1 send her horse to him and why didn't Owner 2 say anything?

I've redacted the name where I've quoted you and I suggest you edit it out. Naming him is clearly against the ts and cs
 
undergroundoli said:
So why did Owner 1 send her horse to him and why didn't Owner 2 say anything?

I've redacted the name where I've quoted you and I suggest you edit it out. Naming him is clearly against the ts and cs
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He has been involved in the death of a horse and using twine to inflict pain. How is it you aren't seeing red. He deserves all of this
 
AmandaMT said:
He has been involved in the death of a horse and using twine to inflict pain. How is it you aren't seeing red. He deserves all of this
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Do you see red every time someone uses a pressure halter? Its not that I'm not sorry for the poor horse, and I'm perfectly prepared to believe the man is a fool. I do dislike the witch hunt though and I hate that everyone was prepared to let this man go on until a horse died then they turn round and attack him.

I also think Owner 1 & 2 share responsibility.
 
undergroundoli said:
You can't judge someone harshly in one incidence because they didn't get away with it but leniently in another because everything worked out ok.
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AmandaMT said:
It isn't just one case with him though is it. This was taken from Facebook where it seems more then one person has issues with ... training.
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I think you've misunderstood my use of the word one.
 
I live not far away from this yard and have not heard good things in the past. Tying to solid rails until tack is accepted etc... I've always said someone who needs to advertise so profusely is doing something wrong... Good trainers are full by word of mouth alone.
 
amymay said:
A slight difference. ...
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^ Yeah, I was pushing that point further than it'll go but pressure halters can cause terrible pain. None the less I maintain that someone being involved in the death of a horse is not, in of its self, a reason to hunt them down on facebook.

I know someone who once saw a horse strangled. Someone had slipped the headcollar down its neck while tacking up and it shyed and got caught and was dead in moments. Should we start a facebook campaign calling for her to be arrested/lose her job/rot in hell.
 
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