Hatless in H&H adverts.

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Do you think Horse and Hound should publish photos of horses for sale being ridden by hatless riders? Most of these
adverts are for dressage horses - their riders must think they are above all that. H&H could cut the tops of the photos off, before publishing them.

What do you think?
 
I think H&H should continue to publish any adverts which are legal, and which people are prepared to pay for. They are a business, not a H&S subsection or a breed guide.
 
sorry I was being sarcastic - Horse and hound is a business. education is the way to prevent pics of un-looked after horses.

I can't understand how people can be so self righteous about something that is a personal choice. Get over it. If you want to wear a hat do so but don't tell the rest of the world how to live their lives!

you don't walk up to someone in the street and tell them they are fat so what right do you have to tell someone they should have a hat on?
 
I suppose it's up to the person riding, but I just couldn't ride without a hat regardless of what I was doing. My horse fell over in canter in the school the other day, god knows where I would be now if I didn't have my hat on.
 
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sorry I was being sarcastic - Horse and hound is a business. education is the way to prevent pics of un-looked after horses.

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Oh well, the sarcasm was lost on me
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I can't understand how people can be so self righteous about something that is a personal choice. Get over it. If you want to wear a hat do so but don't tell the rest of the world how to live their lives!

you don't walk up to someone in the street and tell them they are fat so what right do you have to tell someone they should have a hat on?

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Agreed
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sorry I was being sarcastic - Horse and hound is a business. education is the way to prevent pics of un-looked after horses.

I can't understand how people can be so self righteous about something that is a personal choice. Get over it. If you want to wear a hat do so but don't tell the rest of the world how to live their lives!

you don't walk up to someone in the street and tell them they are fat so what right do you have to tell someone they should have a hat on?

[/ QUOTE ] I agree, except people are often rude about other people's weight!

God forbid they should meet a fat rider without a hat!
 
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sorry I was being sarcastic - Horse and hound is a business. education is the way to prevent pics of un-looked after horses.

I can't understand how people can be so self righteous about something that is a personal choice. Get over it. If you want to wear a hat do so but don't tell the rest of the world how to live their lives!

you don't walk up to someone in the street and tell them they are fat so what right do you have to tell someone they should have a hat on?

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Do you wear a seatbelt when you drive?


The point is, that not wearing a hat doesnt just affect the person riding. it affects their families, their friends.
When these ads are printed it often is used to give the impression the horse is 100% trustworthy and that the rider is somehow 'cool' So when a teen sees this and copies it, and ends up in a vegetable state, who's to blame? The 14yo or the people / magazines who influence them?
Put it another way... if someone was in a magazine taking drugs and acting cool and a kid copied it, who would be to blame? Would the magazine get slammed for it?

it's the same. Life threateningly dangerous.......
 
I am just so surprised in the day of health and safety that it hasn't been made law yet that hats must be worn when mounted.
I personally, same as Katy, think it is very irresponsible of anyone that doesn't wear a hat, after all, it isn't them that have to pick up the pieces is it; it's their family, friends - and nursing staff if they're lucky but it'll be quite likely that they won't even know about it because they will have become a vegetable through vanity or stupidity.
 
I am just so surprised in the day of health and safety that it hasn't been made law yet that hats must be worn when mounted.
I personally, same as Katy, think it is very irresponsible of anyone that doesn't wear a hat, after all, it isn't them that have to pick up the pieces is it; it's their family, friends - and nursing staff if they're lucky - but it'll be quite likely that they won't even know about it because they will have become a vegetable through vanity or stupidity.
 
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Most of these
adverts are for dressage horses - their riders must think they are above all that.


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Why are they above all that?
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I think its an individual choice to wear a hat. Dont know why people get so upset about it.
 
I have to say I have never actually went looking for a horse (I ride what is given to me) But I am always looking on websites, in the back of mags etc (as you never know when you will win the lottery) and for me the rider has a lot of influence if I like the horse. If its a bad rider or the rider has no hat I honest just bypass the ad. If you are paying money to advertise your horse would you not make sure you put a decent photo with it. Which to me would entail the rider wearing a hat.
 
They are an advertising medium - it's the horse that is for sale not the hat. Of course they should publish them.
 
As long as people like Carl Hester can do demos hatless it seems a waste of time to try to regulate adverts. I think this country is going Health and Safety mad. It's up to parents to educate their children in safety, and to point out the dangers of riding hatless if needed.
 
I am of the opinion that riding without a hat has wider influence than just on the person doing this.

And publishing hatless photos in magazines gives off the worng message/can influence others esp youngsters in the choice of whether to wear a hat or not. Riding is risky: you cannot irradicate teh risks but you can reduce the risks by wearing a hat....I really don't understand why people don't want to wear one.....

How difficult/what inconvenience is it to wear a hat? Far less difficult than wishing you had worn one when your family are having to look after you with brain damage.

I think it is irresponsible of magazines to publish ads with hatless riders in. Send them back that's my opinion.
 
No I agree with Katy & MFH-they should wear hats end of!

And to the point its individual choice as it doesn't affect anyone-That is wrong! As some one who actually dealt with the final moments of a dressage rider who felt they were above riding in a hat and then when the 100% safe cool horse tripped up for no reason at all and tipped the rider head first into the gate post-which was concrete and made a massive V shape in the head exposing her brain.

I watched this with 4 others-there was blood absolutely everywhere. The two other grooms performed mouth to mouth but when the ambulance arrived and they took over their faces said it all when they asked where the riding hat was! 30 medical people were involved and this was in the day and age of when the NHS was fully staffed!

They got her to hospital where that evening they turned off the machine that was breathing for her. The coroner said death was instantanious but had she have worn a hat she would be alive today.

This happened over 30 years ago and it is still fresh in my mind as if it was yesterday!

A family lost a talented 19 year old daughter, a 6 month old baby lost its mother, the yard lost their riding instructor and had police and all sorts all over the yard and due to the accident, the yard closed 12 months later- as the YO were too shocked to carry on, selling off all 30 horses. Over a third of the horses were elderly and were shot as they were riding school all their life. The elderly owners of the yard lost everything even the will to live- the shock of it all caused them to die 12 months after selling the yard.

The church was packed with over 200 people that had been affected by this.

Sorry but in this day and age of resposibility for health and safety hatless riders need to be cut off on the photo.

The young of today are so impressionable and a lot of them are starving themselves due to all the size zero being advertised in the media! Goodness even the TV media has stopped the junk food advertising at childrens tv time, alcohol advertising is now after the watershed! And a very long time ago smoking was dropped from tv advertising and the F1 cars had to change too!

If you could think at what would be involved today would be the first response paramedics on bikes, then the ambulance, then of course the air ambulance, then all the over worked medical doctors and nurses and the fact there are no beds, plus the risk of disease of MRSA. This is before all the lawyers get involved and sue everyone for not telling her to put a hat on, sueing the horse for tripping, sueing the farrier for shoeing the horse, sueing the owner for providing a horse that trips, sueing the menage manufacturer for causing the horse to trip, you get what I mean though!

It would be nice to hope that ALL horse media takes its responsilbility of taking impressionable readers safety seriously!
 
whether to wear a hat or not is personal choice, H&H is selling horses, not 'lifestyle' choices.

if it becomes law to wear a hat then H&H will have to think twice before publishing pics - untill then they simply publish what is sent in and payed for.
 
Funnily enough I read the other thread earlier this week about the tv ad and the hatless rider and thought Rubbish, it's only an ad..
Then yesterday Layla wh is normally perfect on the road tripped ad fell arse over tip and my husband was pitched off over her shoulder as she somersaulted and landed heavily on the road.
He always wears a hat on the road or unknown horses but rarely in the arena on his own horses.
Had he landed on his head yesterday I could be sitting in intensive care now.
It is a personal choice I admit, but even the most sure footed horse can trip and fall on you, administering a kick with a steel shod hoof to your face as it falls over.
And although I agree it's your right to choose, it isn't your right to use my taxpayers money to pay for your long term care in hospital or a team of medical staff to repair the damage to your brain..
No-one can say they won't ever all off or get fallen on, so the sensible thing to do is wear a hat.
Now making my family members take note of this is a different story, I have warned them if I end up wiping their bums for life due to them not wearing a hat they may live to regret it...I may take to using a cold hose to clean them every day...
 
Its legal and we live in a democratic country. Perhaps they should stop showing pictures of showjumpers in fancy bits and spurs - they seem to have a far greater influence on the younger generation...
 
Yes of course they should publish. We live in a country with freedom of choice - or at least we used to - and if an adult wants to ride without a hat that's entirely up to them. The responsibility for what kids do is entirely down to their parents - I'm fed up of parents these days seeming to rely on the government/legislation to force their kids to do/or not do things. You have the kids - they're your responsbility to make behave and grow up to be decent human beings. If you can't do that then don't have kids.
 
see I am torn. I know its a personal choice which I respect but I also know how impressionable some people are.

I have no issues with a correctly fitted beagler as they should offer a good degree of protection as shouldn't go flying off the head. the issue though is that they are correctly fitted (turn your head upside down and it don't move jobby
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I personally always ride wearing a hat, be it on Dan who 99.999% is as safe as houses or on anything else, I just want to give my head the best chance in the case of a 'what if' incident, and yes my hair may be disgusting and need washing twice as often but I see that as a trivial thing to complain about.

I was fairly horrified to speak to a girl who i hadn't seen for a few years and her mother the other week. The girl has specialised to dressage as she is too scared to jump (fair enough everyone has nerves and won't judge her by that), i suggested maybe she should just find a good showjumping instructor and a reliable horse to try and restore some of her confidence and after all you have to wear a skull cap which offers far more protection than a top hat the last comment I added jokingly. To my horror the mother replied, oh she rarely wears a hat anyway unless competing. She was obviously completly happy with her 15yo daughter riding hatless including now on a newly broken 4yo. I just shuddered but felt not my place to comment further.

This girl ALWAYS rode in a hat when she was younger (partially due to yard rules) but I can tell with almost full certainty that she doesn't wear one now as her instructors whose yard she is on don't.

On balance I voted to cut them off (only takes a matter of a couple seconds per pic) as although it is personal choice it is one H&S type rule that I don't believe should be ignored by anyone because no horse is 100%!
 
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