having puppies?

Since when has muzzling dogs been cruel?
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Surely if a dog is known to be prone to biting then it is better to prevent it doing so? It is for the safety of the people around the dog, other dogs and the dog itself. If a dog is properly trained to accept a muzzle there are surely no issues?
 
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Incidentally, oopsie, I did a bit of Googling to find out who Miliscer was when he first came on here - I believe we had a slight disagreement (but then with me who hasn't had a disagreement LOL!!) and I put up his website - he wasn't bothered and I believe he had some very nice comments made. He's a nice guy......honest!
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Tia? Me? must have me mistaken
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I was just providing an example of what happens when you breed from dogs with unsound temperament. I agree jj4y but for the record these were dogs my parents bred when I was younger and I take it as an example of 'What not to do', all my 3 dogs are well behaved and do not require muzzling. However, in the current climate of anti-dog that the media has created muzzling is far better than allowing a small child to get mauled and dogs being breed stereotyped as a result.
 
tia- i was really upset because i thought you would maybe be angry at me because of this but i admire you alot and one of the top hho memebers in my book- everything you say has wisdom from ti and i really admire you so thanks and i am just a little angry and upset,

ps i dont believe in muzzles or harnesses. wont go into it as really - my fingers are sor from reply to this thread so much
 
The more I read the previous posts the more stunned I am with tophorses comments. I'd love to speak to some of the dog world professionals she states agree with her. I also know of and mix with many dog world professionals who would go banana's if they saw these comments. The unfortunate fact is that trainers and behaviourists end up picking up the pieces when someone buys a dog whose temperament they cannot deal with.
 
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tbh im of the opinion that its mainly a dogs upbringing not its breeding. and are u suggesting we walk all dogs in muzzles?

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Upbringing is paramount, I do not suggest we all walk dogs in muzzles - where did I say that? I said if a dog is aggressive its better for it to be muzzled than cause injury. Theres nothing wrong in that.
 
should the owner not work with the dog to find the cause of the aggresion and how to work throught the dogs fear(as alot of aggresion is fear related). surely as a dog physocologist u already know this?!?!?!?!?
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tbh im of the opinion that its mainly a dogs upbringing not its breeding. and are u suggesting we walk all dogs in muzzles?

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Upbringing is paramount, I do not suggest we all walk dogs in muzzles - where did I say that? I said if a dog is aggressive its better for it to be muzzled than cause injury. Theres nothing wrong in that.

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I wonder if dougie meant me suggesting walking all dog in muzzles? Certainly I didn't...thats a huge exaggeration! But they are an extremely useful tool in managing a dog that has displayed aggression before. They certainly aren't cruel.
 
Walking a dog in a muzzle is less cruel than the outcome of that dog showing aggression to another dog, if the handler is unable to control the aggressive dog - am I making sense????
 
Where in my post did I say muzzling was the answer????????????????????????????????????????????

All I said was that it was better than having an aggressive dog causing harm/injury to a dog it takes a dislike to!!
 
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should the owner not work with the dog to find the cause of the aggresion and how to work throught the dogs fear(as alot of aggresion is fear related). surely as a dog physocologist u already know this?!?!?!?!?
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Absolulely, but sadly not all owners have the forsight to seek help for aggressive dogs.
 
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To op, it sounds like the way you worded your first post gave the wrong impression of your little dog.Noone on this thread except you know what she is really like, if you think her temp is fine to breed from Im sure it is,if you are sure you can find homes for the pups,have a suitable stud in mind and are able to cover costs if something went wrong then go for it.
 
Of course you can call yourself a professional at 17, professionals can be of any age, you can't expect an olympic gymnast of 14 to be classed as an amateur.
 
Professionals = make their living from the particular field of work.
Amateurs = participate, compete or work for no financial gain.

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Of course you can call yourself a professional at 17, professionals can be of any age, you can't expect an olympic gymnast of 14 to be classed as an amateur.

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That's your opinion but doesn't change the fact that you can't go round telling other people or more experienced people or qualified people that they're talking trash - its just not on.
 
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its her opinion and this is an open forum!!! she can say what the hell she likes!!

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Within reason, of course.
I ont think anyone ha a problem with her disagreing with them, it was the way she did it.

It is a fact that rescue canters are overflowing with unwanted animals, any responsable dog owner needs to think carefully about breeding to try and minimise the numbers in the future.
The bitches temprement DOES have an impact on the puppies (it doesnt set it in stone, but does play its part)so it is logical not to breed for one with a less then A1 temprement herself.
 
Cant believe how many people have posted since I left,

Some people have given some excellent advice and I can see how most have come to the conclusion that (hh) dog is not sound in temperament, considering she herself said, she snarled when protecting bones and snapped at her brothers friends and strange people
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As a general dog owner , I would not be having puppies from this dog after the advice from the more experienced, it makes very good sense to me
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In regard to the professional/amateur discussion my friend is a Doctor, she has been on a career break for over 4 years due to family commitments and works FREE OF CHARGE in a childrens hospital, for no financial gain what so ever, I dont think she would class herself as an amateur
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Of course you can call yourself a professional at 17, professionals can be of any age, you can't expect an olympic gymnast of 14 to be classed as an amateur.

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Dont you have to be amateur to be allowed to compete at the olympics?
 
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no ur not making muzzling is not a solution the still displays aggresion however is unable to respond to the other dog if it attacks or shows agression

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My thoughts exactly TGM. Its much better to prevent further incidents happening whilst working on the problem long-term
 
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moreover it is not forum etiquete for 'newbies' to come along and personaly attack well repected forum members!!!

[/ QUOTE ] Dougie, it doesn't matter whether someone is a 'newbie' or a 'well respected forum member' - we all have the same rights to express our opinions.
 
Sorry just looked at this thread again and seen your reply to my post tophorse. Just because I said I do not show anymore does not mean I don't go to ch shows. In my breed (Gsds) the majority are handled by professional handlers so there is every chance they will be known to the judge. I don't deny that some face judging goes on but you cannot say the standard is not important. Yes temperament is affected by external factors, but also it is inherited, and it is a combination of the two which makes the final product. Many congratulations on being approved for CCs at the age of 17, is that a record?
 
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