Help for a horse in need! Please...

[maggiesmum]

Admittedly I haven't read all the posts but I've just seen an advert for a 17hh 7yo horse free to a good home, said horse was "rescued" in poor condition when a dealer was about to send it to the knackerman.
Now I wonder if the inevitable hasn't just been delayed for this poor chap, he's apparently unrideable and 17hh is a bit on the big side for a companion so where does his future lie?

Offered as FTGH chances are he'll end up with someone who'll try and ride him and will spiral back down to the knackerman where he started - so being rescued by a do-gooder might not have done him any favours!

Equally I have a difficult to manage (physically) and slightly 'tapped' TB, if I couldn't keep him i'd have him PTS, it would break my heart to do it but there's no way i'd pass him on to anyone for fear that he'd end up on that downward spiral.
Sometimes horses are better off PTS than the alternative.

Slightly OT but on a similar vein I disagree with animal shelters that refuse to put a healthy animal down, our world is overcrowded with unwanted animals and as sad as it is some of them are always going to be difficult to rehome.

I do think that there should be some sort of PTS amnesty scheme, maybe then there would be fewer animals dumped at the side of the road in a box. :-/

 

[Lady La La]

Jenny WHAT?

You meant no offence! "revelling in the fact that the minute your horses are no longer 100% fit for purpose you stick a bullet in their heads..." and you meant no offence! Don't make me laugh. You are either lying or stupid.

I do not feel ANYONE is obliged to offer a horse a home for life. It is of no relevance whether I do so myself or not, and I have no problem with anyone else's choices in the matter as long as they do their absolute best to secure the horse's future. I wish there was similar tolerance among some of the other people contributing to this thread.

I'm hardly likely to give you my full name across a public forum now, am I?
As already stated, you're welcome to PM me for the rest of my details if you wish to persue my comment further.

I'm certainly not lying, although, I may be stupid
- the poster in question was, essentially, "revelling in the fact that the minute your horses are no longer 100% fit for purpose you stick a bullet in their heads..." - you're saying that poster is not you and unless I can locate proof, all I have to go on is my memory, which isn't the most reliable of tools. I've already offered you a heartfelt apology, amungst other things, for implying it was you who made those claims. Can I assume you're saying it's not?

If you take a second to actually read through the comments I've made on this thread, you'll see that I had no issue with people selling their horses - Certainly I never suggested that people should feel 'obliged' to keep their equines until the end of their days, (now who's making stuff up? ) I do, but that's just 'how I roll'

... The only issue I have raised is that, when health issues are concerned, extra care does need to be taken. I feel that passing the horse off as FOC to any old forum member/member of the public COULD be detremental to the horses future. There are some nasty people in this world (besides myself, obviously ) and I'd hate any animal thats ever been in my care to end up anywhere near one of those people.
It makes me cross that other people don't take the same precautions for their own animals.

 

[cptrayes]

Cptrayes what are you going on about now? Starting court proceedings? This place has me howling some days - how people can say it's gone to the dogs I don't know. It just gets more and more farcical every day

Pointing out that Lady La La's vicious post about me was libellous and warning her and other people that the anonymity they hide behind will not protect them if they do this to someone to whom it matters.

If it makes one poster somewhere someday think twice about writing this incredibly nasty stuff it will have been worth the effort.

I'm glad the exchange gave you some amusement, but I think that it says a lot about your own character that you did not think what was written about me deserved some fairly sharp response.

 

[cptrayes]

I'm hardly likely to give you my full name across a public forum now, am I?

Why not I do and so do quite a few others on this forum, because we would not write anything which we are ashamed that anyone who knew us would read. For what reason do you not want people to know who you are?

 

[Ranyhyn]

I've seen more "vicious" snails than Lady la la's post. Really cptrayes, I think you might be in the middle of a sugar rush or something

 

[Ranyhyn]

Why not I do and so do quite a few others on this forum, because we would not write anything which we are ashamed that anyone who knew us would read. For what reason do you not want people to know who you are?

cause there are some real nut cases out there cptrayes....

 

[Lady La La]

Why not I do and so do quite a few others on this forum, because we would not write anything which we are ashamed that anyone who knew us would read. For what reason do you not want people to know who you are?

Most people on here DO know who I am... 90% of them have me on facebook, and I've told you that Im quite happy to disclose that information to you, should you wish to try and sue me etc etc..

Its the crazy Bolton Rider Type folk that I could do without knowing who I am and where I live. I dont fancie getting stalked any time soon, understandabley, surely?

***DISCLAIMER*** - No offence BR, I'm sure you're just grrrrrreat

 

[Syrah]

Yes.

But I am not a forum persona. I detest the kind of bullying that has gone on on this thread and I believe it is caused primarily by anonymity. I never post under anything but my own name. I AM C P TRAYES, not a "persona"

Ah right, I wasn't aware.

Why the bullying card? People have different opinions, it doesn't make anyone from the opposing sides bullies.

 

[cptrayes]

for asking (yes, if you read, I asked, not stated) whether it was you who made those claims. Can I assume you're saying it's not?

How could it be? Do you think I would say I will pay you £10,000 if you can find it if there was the slightest chance that you can find it?

Do you understand what libel means? I suppose you can't do or you would have realised the question was pointless.


Can I suggest that you find the quote and the right poster before you go writing such horrible things to a living human being again?

 

[cptrayes]

Ah right, I wasn't aware.

Why the bullying card? People have different opinions, it doesn't make anyone from the opposing sides bullies.

I would describe a lot of what has been said on this thread, including Lady La La's accusation to me, as bullying. There is no problem with a difference of opinion but some of the opinions expressed on this thread have been vicious in their expression.

 

[YasandCrystal]

Gosh, what a nasty lot of people you are in the main. I joined Horse and Hound forum very recently, but have now decided to leave it alone. Incidentally, I am a Vet, who's been qualified for 24 years, and unlike the vast majority of respondents, I would never pass judgement on this situation without knowing all the facts, clinical and non-clinical. Some people need to enter the real world. All my horses/ponies have a forever home, but that's my choice. I am astounded at the level of sheer uncalled-for nastiness that pervades here. Very unhealthy.

^^^ ditto this. People are far too judgemental. It is funny that everyone is quick enough to agree that a quirky/handful of a horse should be sold on to a more suitable home as the owner is no longer having 'fun' or having confidence issues, so just how does this differ?? When you sell or rehome a horse you have no more control over it's welfare whether it is has issues/veterinary problems or not. Actually the fact that this owner which is a real rarity amongst horse owners is being HONEST and telling the facts about the pony's problems upfront means that it will likely attract a person like a previous poster who has experience of this sort of progressive problem and knows what to expect if they take on the pony.
Just search this forum for the number of people conned by DISHONEST sellers - oh yes all horse owners lying about age and quirks and illnesses, risking the health of purchasers and ripping them off monetarily with absolutely NO REGARD for the horse!!!!!
Get real folks - this owner is VERY responsible which is more than can be said for many owners. Would you prefer she pts to be sure said pony doesn't go to a wrong home? Remember this pony has years of useful life left!

 

[Ranyhyn]

How is that horrible? It's not horrible, plenty of people here have horses to work and would have them put down if they couldn't do their job any longer. I think you are the only one who thinks that horrible cptrayes, so maybe it's more to do with the receptacle then the source..?

Is it ok to write those kind of things to dead members using the forum then sorry couldn't help it

 

[cptrayes]

I've seen more "vicious" snails than Lady la la's post. Really cptrayes, I think you might be in the middle of a sugar rush or something

When someone accuses you of revelling in having healthy horses shot because they can't do the work you want them to, then we'll see if you feel the same. I am astonished that you cannot see how utterly offensive that accusation is to a horse lover.

 

[Lady La La]

... You'll see i've amended that paricular quote

According to you, there is no quote, I've had a hunt and I cant find one either. Since I've already offered you several heartfelt apologies AND my full name/address etc - I'm not entirely sure what you'd like from me now?
... From the moment you claimed it wasn't you, I've neither pushed that it was, nor called you a liar. I accepted what you said at face value and stopped looking for a quote which evidently will not exist....

... Not sure what else you'd like me to be doing now? .. Other than phoning my soliciter in preparation for court..

 

[Ranyhyn]

I just think you need to calm down cptrayes, that's all... it's a bit crazy to be bandying about law suits over a misunderstanding. To me, that's all... maybe its completely normal to others..

 

[Lady La La]

I just think you need to calm down cptrayes, that's all... it's a bit crazy to be bandying about law suits over a misunderstanding. To me, that's all... maybe its completely normal to others..

I would say it seemed bonkers to me, but it probably wouldnt look good against me in court

 

[cptrayes]

... You'll see i've amended that paricular quote

According to you, there is no quote, I'vw had a hunt and I cant find one either. Since I've already offered you several heartfelt apologies AND my full name/address etc - i'm not entirely sure what you'd like from me now?
... From the moment you claimed it wasn't you, I've neither pushed that it was, nor called you a liar. I accrpted what you said at face value abd stopped looking for a quote which evidently will not exist....

... Not sure what else you'd like me to be doing now? .. Other than phoning my soliciter in preparation for court..

I don't want you to do anything now except be more cautious about what you post about people in future. I have simply responded to each of the posts that you countered mine with.

I have no intention of suing you but not everyone would feel the same way and posting stuff you cannot substantiate might get you into hot water one day.

The reason you can't find the quote from me you were looking for is because it does not exist. It does not exist because nothing could be further from the way that I would treat a horse than what you wrote.

I accept your apology, thankyou.

 

[Flame_]

What a stupid post. If you can find that reference about me Lady La La then I will give you £10,000. I have never had a horse shot who was capable of living a happy life for a day longer than he had. I would never have a horse shot who someone else was capable of giving a good life to. Where did you get that ridiculous, and incidentally libellous, idea?

Here you are explaining the outcome of giving a not-100%-up-to-work horse away and your good fortune at being able to buy it back, and why you are OK with PTS.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=458841&highlight=love+horses+riding&page=8

 

[cptrayes]

I just think you need to calm down cptrayes, that's all... it's a bit crazy to be bandying about law suits over a misunderstanding. To me, that's all... maybe its completely normal to others..

I don't care what you think Boolavogue. I do know that you think that accusing someone of revelling in shooting a healthy horse they own is an acceptable thing to write even when it is completely untrue, and that tells me all I need to know about how valuable your opinion is, thanks.

 

[Lady La La]

I don't want you to do anything now except be more cautious about what you post about people in future. I have simply responded to each of the posts that you countered mine with.

I have no intention of suing you but not everyone would feel the same way and posting stuff you cannot substantiate might get you into hot water one day.

The reason you can't find the quote from me you were looking for is because it does not exist. It does not exist because nothing could be further from the way that I would treat a horse than what you wrote.

I accept your apology, thankyou.

No worries. Nice to hear you wont be suing me, cant tell you what a releif that is

 

[cptrayes]

Here you are explaining the outcome of giving a not-100%-up-to-work horse away and your good fortune at being able to buy it back, and why you are OK with PTS.

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=458841&highlight=love+horses+riding&page=8

And in what way is that

"revelling in the fact that the minute your horses are no longer 100% fit for purpose you stick a bullet in their heads... " ???

Did you read the post? That did happen to be the first horse who I ever decided that I owed a home for life and I was forced on the advice of my vet to send him somewhere flat. It was that or move home myself.

And what is this thread now - the C P Trayes witchhunt???? I hit my horses as well as sell them. Have you got the ducking stool ready yet?





ps your pointer is to the wrong page of the thread.

 

[Ranyhyn]

I don't care what you think Boolavogue. I do know that you think that accusing someone of revelling in shooting a healthy horse they own is an acceptable thing to write even when it is completely untrue, and that tells me all I need to know about how valuable your opinion is, thanks.

No need to get antsy cptrayes I was only thinking about your mental well being - sheesh...

 

[Ranyhyn]

And what is this thread now - the C P Trayes witchhunt????

Well it started out as the sue lady la la thread so natural progression is inevitable

 

[Flicker]

Oooh another one of these threads...
Just when my afternoon was getting slow

 

[cptrayes]

Well it started out as the sue lady la la thread so natural progression is inevitable

No, it started out as the "please help my friend" thread and a load of very nasty people turned it into something completely different.

 

[Ranyhyn]

and you are one of them cptrayes, so in the interest of not seeming like a hypocrite maybe you better stop posting?...

 

[charlie76]

This needs To stop
Earlier on I spoke to the owner of the horse who is a total stranger To me. To speak to some one so upset by the content of this thread is terrible. Hopefully we have sorted this horses future So all of you Can sleep tonight.

 

[Lady La La]

I don't care what you think Boolavogue. I do know that you think that accusing someone of revelling in shooting a healthy horse they own is an acceptable thing to write .

I hate to be pedantic, but I didn't say anything about a healthy horse...
I said a horse that wasn't fit for purpose, which I intended to mean an UNhealthy horse, be it lame, sick etc...

I understand you're maintaining its not you who said it - I also embelleshed the words somewhat but SOMEONE who I thought was you (note im being very careful not to acuse you all over again, here...) said something along the lines of... 'if my horses become no longer rideable I would have them pts as they cost too much money to keep as pets - I dont keep any of mine into retirement, they get PTS.'

...Now, you're saying its not you - I'm saying, I accept that and I cannot find the quote to prove other wise. (I suspect it got heated and deleted, but thats only speculation.) But out of interest, Do you agree with the above quote that I've taken from someone ..that is definately not you?

 

[Spring Feather]

This needs To stop
Earlier on I spoke to the owner of the horse who is a total stranger To me. To speak to some one so upset by the content of this thread is terrible. Hopefully we have sorted this horses future So all of you Can sleep tonight.

Sounds very promising. I hope it all works out well for the lady and her horse

 

[Flame_]

And in what way is that

"revelling in the fact that the minute your horses are no longer 100% fit for purpose you stick a bullet in their heads... " ???

Did you read the post?

ps your pointer is to the wrong page of the thread.

Maybe its due to different forum settings, its right for me.

Yes I read it.

I think the "reveling" part was a bit of poetic license exaggeration, but the point was about right.

You have come across as a strong advocate for why it is advisable to PTS horses who can't work if you aren't prepared to retire them, stating here your own personal bad experience of giving a horse away and now you seem to be advocating giving horses away again.