Help for a horse in need! Please...

mle22 said:
Why not if it can still give someone else pleasure at the level it is capable of working. Why is that wrong!!
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It's what I think and how I feel. You think and feel differently. Challenging me won't change my mind I'm afraid. I have read all of the replies with an open mind and still haven't changed my mind from my reply early in thread.
 
Well all I can say is that I don't think I feel any less for my horses than you do but neither do I think that I'm the only person they can be happy with.
 
LadyLa La, you wrote:

Lady La La said:
Ahh Cptrayes, I'm sure there's a post somewhere of you revelling in the fact that the minute your horses are no longer 100% fit for purpose you stick a bullet in their heads
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Lady La La said:
... I appreciate, as already mentioned the "revelling" etc was added for poetic justice - but the content is the same.
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The content of me revelling in putting a bullet in the head of any of my horses the minute they are not capable of doing half pass or jumping five foot hedges is the same as this:

"I think a lot of people avoid having horses put to sleep because they can't face their own pain. I would rather see a perfectly healthy, economically unviable horse put to sleep than I would see a horse who should have been put down days, weeks, months or even years before kept alive because the owner can't face her own emotions."

and:

"I am not ashamed to say that I keep my horses to ride. When they cannot be ridden to the standard at which I want to ride, I owe them either to find them a good home, or IF THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, to have them humanely killed."


What planet are you and your nasty little sidekick on?


ps I did buy a nice horse for £10k as you clearly know. He has been assessed by one of the Olympic judges as probable Grand Prix small tour material and possibly even more talented. Jealous are we girls? Is that where your nastiness is coming from, a thread I put up eight months ago about trying to find a big dressage horse?
 
mle22 said:
Well all I can say is that I don't think I feel any less for my horses than you do but neither do I think that I'm the only person they can be happy with.
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I didn't say you did feel any less for your horses :confused: You have a different opinion. I also have no doubts my horse could be happy with someone else, but I just couldn't switch off and get rid if something medical were to occur after years of service - that's just me.
 
To be hones, i dont understand some of the posters on this forum, it seems you are damned if you dont, damned if you do.

I remember a few weeks ago the post looking for a laminitic pony to be a companion for a ladys other lami pony, purely because the poor woman had purposely built a sand paddock for her beloved pony and felt its best companion would be lami so it would be fine in those conditions also and the comments on there, the amount of posters jumping on her...

I dunno, looks like a lovely horse and i hope he gets a lovely home, jeez id offer him one if it werent for the fact that there is a high possibility that he would need early PTS, and i would really strugle with that.
 
mle22 said:
Why not if it can still give someone else pleasure at the level it is capable of working. Why is that wrong!!
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No, not at all.

I think what the majority of posters are saying though is that his future should be secured because of his medical issues- JMHO but it is next to impossible to do that if he is gifted away as you have lost all control.

A loan would be ideal but of course there is a risk he would be returned and the OP said in her first few posts that his owner didn't want that. I know that bad things could happen to any horse who was sold, healthy or not but because of his age and history he is more vulnerable than most.

PTS would be a very hard decision and while I wouldn't like to have to make it you have to admit that the horse wouldn't be in danger/vulnerable any longer.
It's not the answer to everything but it is a viable option in a lot of cases.

I have no problem when a horse is sold (after all where would you get a made horse otherwise?) but this isn't the classic scenario of moving on an animal that may not be 'for you' but is otherwise healthy.

I expect HHO to get heated with lots of opposing views - and enjoy that TBH - but this fairly recent thing of screaming "creuuuuul" because you disagree is getting a bit boring. Lots of people say or do things that I disagree with and while I will say that I don't agree I don't think that I've ever said anything that implies another poster is personally bad/morally suspect as a result!
 
jesus - is this still going on??

To Sam and Charlie - THANK YOU for rehoming a horse with plenty of life left in him and being such lovely people. I will send you some carrots for Puffins home warming! xxx
 
Cpt, please..... I had no idea you bought a horse for 10 grand, why on earth would I have known?
You offered me 10 grand to prove that you pts your horses if they can no longer do their job...
Which I did, that was the joke ;)
As already said perhaps you didn't 'revel' but judging by your comments regarding those of us who DONT rehome or shoot our horses as soon as they go wrong, you seem to enjoy looking down on us... for being good people...

Play on the use of the word revel all you like - you knew precisely what I was talking about when I brought this quote up, yet you chose not to reveal the conversation, in the hope that I wouldn't find it.

You're selfish for not offering your horses the retirement you owe to them, and the fact you tried to tell ME, someone who allows my animals to live out their useless, retirements with me, at home that im RESPONSIBLE for another horses death is a *******ing joke.
You, are a joke.

Crack on, sue me....
 
cptrayes said:
ps I did buy a nice horse for £10k as you clearly know. He has been assessed by one of the Olympic judges as probable Grand Prix small tour material and possibly even more talented. Jealous are we girls? Is that where your nastiness is coming from, a thread I put up eight months ago about trying to find a big dressage horse?
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What the badger has that got to do with the price of fish?! :confused:
 
mle22 said:
There was a thread on competition riders where an event rider was looking to sell her horse that she had had for many years and who had brought her through the grades, but due to soundness issues could no longer compete at the level she wanted. She was ambitious and needed a horse capable of doing what she wanted. She had not one word of criticism! What's the difference?
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Exactly!
 
Puppy said:
What the badger has that got to do with the price of fish?! :confused:
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I read a few of the replies on here last night - I've just read the same as you and wondered the same thing!! Why would anyone give a toss that she has spent 10k on a dressage horse?? Does it mean that because she probably spends more money on horses than the rest of us that her view is right?
 
mle22 said:
There was a thread on competition riders where an event rider was looking to sell her horse that she had had for many years and who had brought her through the grades, but due to soundness issues could no longer compete at the level she wanted. She was ambitious and needed a horse capable of doing what she wanted. She had not one word of criticism! What's the difference?
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Coz we is all Fluffers and them's is the beez kneez doncha kno.....

:D

Oh dear, Fluffers is rude, right??

OK.....fluffy buns then!

:D
 
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ps I did buy a nice horse for £10k as you clearly know. He has been assessed by one of the Olympic judges as probable Grand Prix small tour material and possibly even more talented. Jealous are we girls? Is that where your nastiness is coming from, a thread I put up eight months ago about trying to find a big dressage horse?[/QUOTE]

I dont give a toss how much you spent on a horse that dosnt make your opinions right in fact you come across as a patronising boaster and who can prove that indeed you spent this amount on a horse. Does it matter how much you spent? personally I would rather spend the money on a racehorse.
 
... Then there's the thread about beating up her shetland in the feed shed in order to discourage him from going in there, as she cannot ensure the door is closed at all times..
Not to mention the Germans who 'burn their babies...'
 
Phew!

That took a lot of reading :D

I bought my horse knowing fine well he has a diagnosed SI injury. Old owner didn't want him because he would not be well enough to compete professionally but he suits me to a tee.

If we kept all these broken horses for life then I wouldn't have found my horse of a lifetime...
 
"TBF those threads aren't really relevant to this debate, however neither is the purchase of a 10k dressage horse. "

You're right Flame, having been through her posts trying to find that quote they're fresh in my mind, unfortunately..
I'm on my phone so unable to delete my comment concerning her other posts - so i'll make my apologies now as no doubt she'll be demanding them later, anyway.
Sorry for bringing up your other posts CPT's..
 
Lady La La said:
... Then there's the thread about beating up her shetland in the feed shed in order to discourage him from going in there, as she cannot ensure the door is closed at all times..
Not to mention the Germans who 'burn their babies...'
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I remember the Shetland thread, she couldnt rely on her husband to shut the door, definately off her trolley.
 
cptrayes said:
ps I did buy a nice horse for £10k as you clearly know. He has been assessed by one of the Olympic judges as probable Grand Prix small tour material and possibly even more talented. Jealous are we girls? Is that where your nastiness is coming from, a thread I put up eight months ago about trying to find a big dressage horse?
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Oh dear! I suspect you have no idea how this post has just made you sound :cool:

PS: I was offered £25k for one of mine - I refused the offer having spent the last 5 years training her :)

PPS: I further suspect my PS has gone right over your head :rolleyes:
 
Wow ok now my brain hurts! I know we all have our own opinions and we all think we are correct but jumping down at each others throats never helped anyone! Am glad to see that there are people out there willing to answer the post rather than judge!
 
Lady La La said:
..... I could buy a smashing horse for 10k ;)
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I was replying to this. I had completely forgotten challenging Lady La La to substantiate her claim that I put a bullet in my horses heads as soon as they can't do what I want them to do. It is so far from credible that the £10,000 I offered if she could do so was actually due to her that I forgot about it, and thought that she was talking about the horse I bought back in January. These things happen to humans, you know?

As for my other posts, I have no problem with anyone reading any of them. That's why I post in my own name, I don't write anything that I wouldn't say to anyone's face -

how many of you can say the same, hand on heart?
 
I think the question here is what do we do with horses who are past their sell by dates or who have a limited useful life. I personally feel that the owners have a big responsibility to them and that to simply wash their hands by passing the problem on to someone else is irresponsible. I don't care what the 'professionals' do, I don't believe the responsibility changes simply because of the level of riding. A horse is a horse. It is not a car, it is a living being with needs and feelings. If the current owner cannot offer a secure future herself she should look for someone who can....but if she simply wants to offload a problem then she should examine her motives and her behaviour. And if she cannot guarantee a secure future there is only one option - to have the horse put to sleep to save it from any further suffering that will result from her lack of responsibility and compassion. People so often see their animals as disponsible. That is why horse, dog and cat rescues are full to bursting. A dog is for life, not just for Christmas. A horse is for life not just for winning cups and kudos.
 
cptrayes said:
I was replying to this. I had completely forgotten challenging Lady La La to substantiate her claim that I put a bullet in my horses heads as soon as they can't do what I want them to do. It is so far from credible that the £10,000 I offered if she could do so was actually due to her that I forgot about it, and thought that she was talking about the horse I bought back in January. These things happen to humans, you know?

As for my other posts, I have no problem with anyone reading any of them. That's why I post in my own name, I don't write anything that I wouldn't say to anyone's face -

how many of you can say the same, hand on heart?
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I can ;) ... Cross my heart and hope to die :)

... I met a fair few people from here only a few weeks ago at a BBQ - not ashamed to put a face to my name on here in the slightest. I say what I think, and I think you are an idiot.

The sentence in which I quoted at you holds more water than you seem to want to admit... You've admitted to not keeping your horses into retirement, and if you cant rehome them you put them down so as to avoid having to pay out to keep a horse that cannot be ridden to the standard that you would like
...You also saw fit to preech at people like me, who give back to their horses that which they deserve (by allowing them to live a happy peaceful retirement, or seeing them through lameness, illness etc) that we are condeming other, fit horses to death...Ridiculous :rolleyes:

Have the courage of your convictions and, instead of attempting to deflect the 'argument' over to me because I used the word 'revel' stand up for these beleifs of yours and quit trying to weasle your way out of them.

You're selfish, plain and simple.
 
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