Ranyhyn
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I got offered £30k for mine....
and half a crunchie
and half a crunchie
Help for a horse in need! Please...
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Amaranta
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I got offered £30k for mine....
and half a crunchie
lol! Does a third of a KitKat count too?
PolarSkye
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At the risk of hijacking this already pretty hijacked thread further . . .
So what IS the difference between a competitive rider selling on (or loaning out) a horse that can't take them further due to ongoing soundness issues - but is still relatively healthy and rideable at lower levels . . . and a pleasure rider palming off a sick, degenerating horse (either to a charity or selling on or gifting) because they can no longer do the things they enjoy with their horse (ridden)?
I identify with the latter - primarily because I am not a competitive rider. I bought Kali for my daughter and I to have some fun with. He's a relative youngster at 9, so I do hope I won't have to worry about his retirement for a good while yet (although with horses one never knows), but when I bought him I did so with the intention that he would have a home with us for life. I'm grown up and realistic enough to know never to say never . . . but I'll move hell and high water to keep him past his useful ridden life - as long as he has a decent quality of life - until it's time for him to be PTS.
That said, I have no major ridden ambitions - sure I'd like to do some low level dressage on him - perhaps take up jumping again - and I'm really having fun watching my trainer get the best out of him and take him out doing things I'd never be brave (or good) enough to do. But, if I couldn't ride him again, I'd keep him.
I have an acquaintance who currently has three horses: a loan pony for her daughter, her father's fully-retired mare and her own, elderly gelding who is sound and fit and still rideable. Said gelding is sharp, though, and K doesn't like hacking him (all they have at the yard is road hacking) and is bored just riding him in the school. She doesn't compete (has her hands full with two jobs and two young children). But she has advertised this 19-year-old gelding for sale b/c she wants something she can "do more" with and can't afford to take on another and keep her boy. I have to say that left me a little flummoxed. She's had this horse 10 years. Surely she owes him safety and dignity in his retirement?
So what IS the difference?
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So what IS the difference between a competitive rider selling on (or loaning out) a horse that can't take them further due to ongoing soundness issues - but is still relatively healthy and rideable at lower levels . . . and a pleasure rider palming off a sick, degenerating horse (either to a charity or selling on or gifting) because they can no longer do the things they enjoy with their horse (ridden)?
I identify with the latter - primarily because I am not a competitive rider. I bought Kali for my daughter and I to have some fun with. He's a relative youngster at 9, so I do hope I won't have to worry about his retirement for a good while yet (although with horses one never knows), but when I bought him I did so with the intention that he would have a home with us for life. I'm grown up and realistic enough to know never to say never . . . but I'll move hell and high water to keep him past his useful ridden life - as long as he has a decent quality of life - until it's time for him to be PTS.
That said, I have no major ridden ambitions - sure I'd like to do some low level dressage on him - perhaps take up jumping again - and I'm really having fun watching my trainer get the best out of him and take him out doing things I'd never be brave (or good) enough to do. But, if I couldn't ride him again, I'd keep him.
I have an acquaintance who currently has three horses: a loan pony for her daughter, her father's fully-retired mare and her own, elderly gelding who is sound and fit and still rideable. Said gelding is sharp, though, and K doesn't like hacking him (all they have at the yard is road hacking) and is bored just riding him in the school. She doesn't compete (has her hands full with two jobs and two young children). But she has advertised this 19-year-old gelding for sale b/c she wants something she can "do more" with and can't afford to take on another and keep her boy. I have to say that left me a little flummoxed. She's had this horse 10 years. Surely she owes him safety and dignity in his retirement?
So what IS the difference?
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kirstie
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The beauty of the horse world is that it is diverse in it's members. There is a wealth of different ideas, methods and practices, some better than others.
Just because someone has different methods and beliefs to you, does not neccessarily mean that they are wrong and you are right or vice versa.
My old horse had chronic recurrent uveitis at the age of 10. I did everything I could to save his eye but just couldn't. Everytime we thought we had control of it his eye flared up again.
He was a very difficult horse who had a tendency to blind bolt, once so badly he ran into a tree and fractured his scapula and nearly had to PTS on the spot. (Before he was given to me.)
It was impossible to save his eye, he would have had to have his eye removed. The vet and I both felt that it would be very dangerous to ride him with one eye, so I made the decision to PTS.
He wouldn't happily live out and and I couldn't afford to have two. It is my passion to ride, I can't afford to spend out £300+ on a horse that I could not ride. I was upset but I never felt guilty and I never will.
I would not have kept him, I would not have fobbed him off on to someone else. Very different from the OP's friends horse who sounds like he has many useful years ahead of him.
My horse that I have now is my horse of a lifetime. She will always have a home with me.
If someone has a horse no matter what, and doesn't care that they can't ride then that is great, good for them. I don't think that they have the right to condone others who do want to ride and can't afford to keep a horse that is not up to what they want. As long as said person is responsible in assuring the horses future, whether it be re homing or PTS, I don't see the problem.
Looking down on others because they don't have the same beliefs is rather narrow minded.
Just because someone has different methods and beliefs to you, does not neccessarily mean that they are wrong and you are right or vice versa.
My old horse had chronic recurrent uveitis at the age of 10. I did everything I could to save his eye but just couldn't. Everytime we thought we had control of it his eye flared up again.
He was a very difficult horse who had a tendency to blind bolt, once so badly he ran into a tree and fractured his scapula and nearly had to PTS on the spot. (Before he was given to me.)
It was impossible to save his eye, he would have had to have his eye removed. The vet and I both felt that it would be very dangerous to ride him with one eye, so I made the decision to PTS.
He wouldn't happily live out and and I couldn't afford to have two. It is my passion to ride, I can't afford to spend out £300+ on a horse that I could not ride. I was upset but I never felt guilty and I never will.
I would not have kept him, I would not have fobbed him off on to someone else. Very different from the OP's friends horse who sounds like he has many useful years ahead of him.
My horse that I have now is my horse of a lifetime. She will always have a home with me.
If someone has a horse no matter what, and doesn't care that they can't ride then that is great, good for them. I don't think that they have the right to condone others who do want to ride and can't afford to keep a horse that is not up to what they want. As long as said person is responsible in assuring the horses future, whether it be re homing or PTS, I don't see the problem.
Looking down on others because they don't have the same beliefs is rather narrow minded.
Lady La La
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I got offered £30k for mine....
and half a crunchie
I'll give you the other half of a crunchie if you promise to be my 'nasty little sidekick' for the rest of your bitter old life
...I'll give you two apples, a paper clip and 2/3rds of a bottle of my Juicey coture perfume ..for Clover, she's lushhh
Flame_
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Polarskye, to me it comes down to whether a horse is right or not. If it genuinely is sound, healthy and is likely to stay that way for years it will have a value and be sellable, if it isn't you're stuck with it (for want of a better way of putting it 
) to either loan out, retire or PTS.
I know many competition riders pass on horses which aren't right after years of hard work, to me it is sometimes even worse than a one horse owner who hasn't got their own land trying to rehome their only unrideable riding horse.
) to either loan out, retire or PTS.I know many competition riders pass on horses which aren't right after years of hard work, to me it is sometimes even worse than a one horse owner who hasn't got their own land trying to rehome their only unrideable riding horse.
Ranyhyn
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Is that what I've been branded, the nasty little sidekick? What just because I was happy to find you WONT be going to court? Dear oh dear!
ThePinkPony
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Thats the one thing i have always hated about the horse world.
When i was growing up i couldnt have possibly had a horse, so i waited until i was in the position where i could take on a horse, and have it until its days are no longer comfortable, but i was forever hearing horsey girls i knew going on about how they couldnt really be bothered with X so mummy is selling him, and weeks later a new horse took its place. they didnt give a second thought to where the horse was going or what would become of it.
I was shocked to see lovely, well behaved horses being dumped because they no onger fitted in with these teenagers social lives, every other day a poster being put up, where a lovely ''prospect'' was being sold because its owner had ''discovered boys''.
Makes me angry. i know that my horses have a place to go if my circumstances changed, and i wish more people would think like that!
When i was growing up i couldnt have possibly had a horse, so i waited until i was in the position where i could take on a horse, and have it until its days are no longer comfortable, but i was forever hearing horsey girls i knew going on about how they couldnt really be bothered with X so mummy is selling him, and weeks later a new horse took its place. they didnt give a second thought to where the horse was going or what would become of it.
I was shocked to see lovely, well behaved horses being dumped because they no onger fitted in with these teenagers social lives, every other day a poster being put up, where a lovely ''prospect'' was being sold because its owner had ''discovered boys''.
Makes me angry. i know that my horses have a place to go if my circumstances changed, and i wish more people would think like that!
Ranyhyn
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Only if its a kitkat chunky!!!
Ranyhyn
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what's your name and full postal address please, I am going to start court proceedings against you for defamation of character. I would clearly be the leader and she'd be MY nasty little sidekick
Also your bank account and sort code number.....
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Lady La La
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what's your name and full postal address please, I am going to start court proceedings against you for defamation of character. I would clearly be the leader and she'd be MY nasty little sidekick
Also your bank account and sort code number.....
can-ayy-avv-yorr-creddditt-carddd-detayalllsssss
*hic*
village idiot :D
So what IS the difference between a competitive rider selling on (or loaning out) a horse that can't take them further due to ongoing soundness issues - but is still relatively healthy and rideable at lower levels . . . and a pleasure rider palming off a sick, degenerating horse (either to a charity or selling on or gifting) because they can no longer do the things they enjoy with their horse (ridden)?
As the mother of a teen who benefited from just such a horse as you describe in your first example and as the owner of a pony similar to the one second in your description, LOTS!
The first case is a healthy horse, no longer capable of being a top athlete but to all intents and purposes more than up to the job he is being reallocated to.
The second case is in your words sick and degenerating and can no longer be ridden. There are few people who can afford to take on an ill, progressively worsening animal and at the risk of winding a lot of people up it should be remembered that the person who appears to be going to take on the horse in this thread is getting an additional horse for use in their riding school which will in fact be making them money, without the associated costs of having to travel to choose the horse and pay for it.
I'm not knocking the person for that, they have the experience and knowledge to deal with the horse's particular needs and it should all work out very well as it would seem to be a perfect match and her horses always look very well but it is not done for entirely altruistic reasons.
As the mother of a teen who benefited from just such a horse as you describe in your first example and as the owner of a pony similar to the one second in your description, LOTS!
The first case is a healthy horse, no longer capable of being a top athlete but to all intents and purposes more than up to the job he is being reallocated to.
The second case is in your words sick and degenerating and can no longer be ridden. There are few people who can afford to take on an ill, progressively worsening animal and at the risk of winding a lot of people up it should be remembered that the person who appears to be going to take on the horse in this thread is getting an additional horse for use in their riding school which will in fact be making them money, without the associated costs of having to travel to choose the horse and pay for it.
I'm not knocking the person for that, they have the experience and knowledge to deal with the horse's particular needs and it should all work out very well as it would seem to be a perfect match and her horses always look very well but it is not done for entirely altruistic reasons.
PooJay
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Don't normally post in these threads as everyone has different circumstances and opinions on these matters and i hate this bandwagon cr@p that goes on in here.
However, CPtrayes (sp) is a really valuble and helpful poster on this forum and with advice given out has probably helped more horses than most. I think it's unfair to jump on him/her for this one "opinion" when they have offered such valid and helpful advice in the past. I would hate to think that he/she would refrain from posting in future because of this kind of thing.
However, CPtrayes (sp) is a really valuble and helpful poster on this forum and with advice given out has probably helped more horses than most. I think it's unfair to jump on him/her for this one "opinion" when they have offered such valid and helpful advice in the past. I would hate to think that he/she would refrain from posting in future because of this kind of thing.
Ranyhyn
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Poojay she wont 
even though cptrayes has branded me nasty, I just found it funny that she threatenned to take someone to court for saying something, which the poster later substantiated. No malice in that - it's just funny. If cptrayes chooses not to post after this then she clearly has no sense of humour, because to most people, that's quite amusing.
even though cptrayes has branded me nasty, I just found it funny that she threatenned to take someone to court for saying something, which the poster later substantiated. No malice in that - it's just funny. If cptrayes chooses not to post after this then she clearly has no sense of humour, because to most people, that's quite amusing.PooJay
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yeah it's all a bit personal though isn't it, it's a public forum and although opinions are opinions and everyone's entitled to them (blah blah blah etc etc) in MY opinion, it's just a bit silly and shouldn't be done in public.
Like i said, i normally don't post in threads like this but i have read a lot of cptrayes posts and i can't say i've read any of them that have been unhelpful or judgmental and it would be a shame for someone to pull an opinion of cptrayes from this and discount their advice in future.
Sorry, imo of course.
Like i said, i normally don't post in threads like this but i have read a lot of cptrayes posts and i can't say i've read any of them that have been unhelpful or judgmental and it would be a shame for someone to pull an opinion of cptrayes from this and discount their advice in future.
Sorry, imo of course.
Lady La La
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yeah it's all a bit personal though isn't it, it's a public forum and although opinions are opinions and everyone's entitled to them (blah blah blah etc etc) in MY opinion, it's just a bit silly and shouldn't be done in public.
Like i said, i normally don't post in threads like this but i have read a lot of cptrayes posts and i can't say i've read any of them that have been unhelpful or judgmental and it would be a shame for someone to pull an opinion of cptrayes from this and discount their advice in future.
Sorry, imo of course.
Dont really understand how it has become personal... other than CPT's previous posts being brought up once or twice (which are already in the public domain for people to see) the only personal information being handed over was my own...
lexiedhb
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Seriously it is not just this one opinion!! She'll be back the next time a thread catches her eye........ In fact post a barefoot thread....
PooJay
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fair do's. I haven't read all of the thread, virtually none at all in fact but i did read a few bits which seemed to get nasty and i just wanted to add my peace making two penneth
ThePinkPony
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lexie can you not just post another story about your ''dangerous dog'' Dex
im sure she will have something to say about him and your ownership skills PooJay
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which she ALWAYS offers brilliant advice on.
Anyway, enough of me. I won't say anymore on the matter.
lexiedhb
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lexie can you not just post another story about your ''dangerous dog'' Dex
Quite
*hic*
village idiot :D
In fact if you can ask about whether he'd be better shod or just needs doggy wellies you'd get her here double quick