Help for a squirrel...

Lol this is laughable! I grew up with seven cats, they would regularly catch rodents and birds and 'play' with them still alive. My dad would take them to the back garden and give them one swift blow to the heads and it was all over- the rodent/bird, not the cat!

Kindest way IMO. Have to be a bit of a 'enter choice word' not to be able to spark out a squirrel in one shot.
 
I once ran over a pheasant and it was suffering, so picked it up and wacked it's head on the bullbar on the subaru, unfortunately I didn't know my own strength and it's head flew off!!:eek:
 
Do the people saying 'take it to a vet' think that I should have taken a mixy rabbit that a horse had stomped on to the vet, instead of hitting it over the head? It wasn't dead yet but it sure as hell was going to be - it took two hits for me to kill it but I still think that was WAY more humane than leaving it 30 mins to the vet etc.

Same goes for the baby rabbits that the dogs bring home alive but in a poor way.

On the other hand, bats are a protected species and it's illegal to dispose of them, so when the cat catches them, we wait an hour and see if they recover. They always have, but if they don't, we'd call someone.

The only 'wild' animal I have successfully hand-reared are the ducklings our cat brought us last spring. They are now happily living in our garden, in their own private pond!
 
Ibblebibble said:
fpmsl, daughter is looking at me very oddly as that make me snort very loudly!!
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Oh I got another one!! In the vets we had a client who rescued battery hens, treated them like pets, she sadly had to have one of them put to sleep,but was hysterical so she sat in the waiting room while one of out vets put the chicken to sleep, he decided that wringing it's neck would be alot kinder than a needle, and although doesn't look as nice the owner wasn't present so was OK..... so we take out to the back room, he does the deed and yes it's head came off in his hand too, I then had to tell the vet the owner wanted it back, he looked in one hand and then in the other and the colour drained from his face hehe, ......... funniest part was I was winding him up and she didn't want the body back :D:D:D:D:D:D... he said he actually thought about suturing it back on
 
yep DD that produced another snort:D
I do find inappropriate and bizarre things so funny:o i nearly peed myself when we had culled our cockerals (OH has to chop the heads off as i don't like the eyes looking at me) i was plucking one with it on my lap and as i plucked out some breast feathers it 'squawked':eek: cue me piddling myself and pressing on the same spot making the headless corpse squawk and squeak:D
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
Oh I got another one!! In the vets we had a client who rescued battery hens, treated them like pets, she sadly had to have one of them put to sleep,but was hysterical so she sat in the waiting room while one of out vets put the chicken to sleep, he decided that wringing it's neck would be alot kinder than a needle, and although doesn't look as nice the owner wasn't present so was OK..... so we take out to the back room, he does the deed and yes it's head came off in his hand too, I then had to tell the vet the owner wanted it back, he looked in one hand and then in the other and the colour drained from his face hehe, ......... funniest part was I was winding him up and she didn't want the body back :D:D:D:D:D:D... he said he actually thought about suturing it back on
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Priceless :D
 
Ibblebibble - when you cut the legs off there's a tendon you can pull and the claw opens and closes. My mum and dad were the original Tom and Barbara from the Good life. I remember doing the above when I was about 6 or 7, I took it to school to show everybody ! Can't think why but got a right rollicking from the teacher :D
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
Oh I got another one!! In the vets we had a client who rescued battery hens, treated them like pets, she sadly had to have one of them put to sleep,but was hysterical so she sat in the waiting room while one of out vets put the chicken to sleep, he decided that wringing it's neck would be alot kinder than a needle, and although doesn't look as nice the owner wasn't present so was OK..... so we take out to the back room, he does the deed and yes it's head came off in his hand too, I then had to tell the vet the owner wanted it back, he looked in one hand and then in the other and the colour drained from his face hehe, ......... funniest part was I was winding him up and she didn't want the body back :D:D:D:D:D:D... he said he actually thought about suturing it back on
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Actually I find this a little sick tbh.
So the client took the chicken to the vets to be humanely put to sleep by injection and instead it had its neck broken by the vet in a back room.
Not only is this unethical if true but also it could be construed as fraudulently gaining monies.
What did the client pay for, how much did she pay, or was it a freebie?
If she paid I have no doubt she was probably charged a consultation fee and also money for the drug used to euthanise via an injection. Which we now know of course this was not the case as no drug was administered.
Is the use of such a drug audited? Of this I am not sure as it was a long time ago that I worked at a vets and did not have access to paperwork relating to drugs used.
If it was, what reason was given for the difference?
I hope the owner of the dead chicken never ever sees this thread as I would imagine they would be mortified :(
 
Moomin1 said:
How do you know someone is capable of killing something outright? If someone kills outright in one blow, then no offence. If not (which is quite easily done if they aren't used to doing it) then they could easily cause untold suffering. If you think that is acceptable then you are a disgusting vile person to be quite frank.

And just for good measure, rats ALL have tails!! Oh and the correct spelling is 'offence' not 'offense'. You also ask why it is an offence?!! BECAUSE IT IS NOT NATIVE TO THIS COUNTRY AND IT IS AN OFFENCE TO RELEASE THEM ONCE CAUGHT. Who are you to question the law?! If you fancy some bedtime reading, look up the Wildlife and Countryside Act.
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The law maybe strict liability but the prosecuting body would take into account a range of factors before deciding what sort of action if any they would take including e.g. intent to cause harm (none), impact (none given the number of grey squirrels already in the wild) and public interest factors (there is no real lesson to be learned here to change public behaviour) and their own reputation (they would be splashed all over the Daily Mail looking ridiculous).
 
Devonshire dumpling said:
I once ran over a pheasant and it was suffering, so picked it up and wacked it's head on the bullbar on the subaru, unfortunately I didn't know my own strength and it's head flew off!!:eek:
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Cant seem to quote multiple posts but like person above I also lol'd at this!

Can just imagine it!

Re boshing things over the head I think I am too squemish and wouldnt trust myself to "deal" with dying rodent first time so would prob get someone else that was around to do it if poss.

There was a dying poisoned rat at livery yard where I am once we were all too squemish to bosh it so got one of the livery's dad who was there at the time to do it.

Obv would only do it if said creature was dying, wouldnt do it if it was ok.
 
Fantasy_World said:
Actually I find this a little sick tbh.
So the client took the chicken to the vets to be humanely put to sleep by injection and instead it had its neck broken by the vet in a back room.
Not only is this unethical if true but also it could be construed as fraudulently gaining monies.
What did the client pay for, how much did she pay, or was it a freebie?
If she paid I have no doubt she was probably charged a consultation fee and also money for the drug used to euthanise via an injection. Which we now know of course this was not the case as no drug was administered.
Is the use of such a drug audited? Of this I am not sure as it was a long time ago that I worked at a vets and did not have access to paperwork relating to drugs used.
If it was, what reason was given for the difference?
I hope the owner of the dead chicken never ever sees this thread as I would imagine they would be mortified :(
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Firstly it was a damn site more humane than having a needle shoved into it's heart, secondly it was done as a freebie as we NEVER charged her for her chickens, she was a great client and rescued the chickens so was never charged, she made alot of money out of her with her dogs and cats. I don't actually think they would be mortified to be honest, I grant you we wouldn't do it infront of a client as it doesn't look nice, but then that's only a cosmetic reason, not ethical!
 
vieshot said:
Lol this is laughable! I grew up with seven cats, they would regularly catch rodents and birds and 'play' with them still alive. My dad would take them to the back garden and give them one swift blow to the heads and it was all over- the rodent/bird, not the cat!

Kindest way IMO. Have to be a bit of a 'enter choice word' not to be able to spark out a squirrel in one shot.
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Should have been the cat :rolleyes:
 
Copperpot said:
Personally I think that was the most humane way to put a chicken down. Prob mch better than how the ones we eat are killed.
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It is actually, generally with the smaller animals where you can't find a vein, you just inject straight into the heart, or abdomen, it's not really that pleasant! or sometimes you put them in a container and gas them, if I had the choice a quick twist of a neck it instant, death isn't pretty, people have really funny ideas on what's humane! X As regards to Euthatal, its pence, so if you did charge someone, end of the day you have a professional who were doing the deed humanely, do they not deserve to be paid, I guess if the owner has asked how it was done, they wouldn't have been lied to!
 
Yes breaking an animal's neck if done correctly can be a very quick death. However I doubt very much this client suspected that the chicken or any chicken put to sleep was having its neck broken in a back room.
I once had a pet rat pts via the injection into abdomen. They did not put it in her heart. She went to sleep but took several hours to actually die. I would never choose this method ever again.
I once saw a dog brought in to be pts who was so weak a vein could not be found. The vet took several attempts to inject the heart and the dog yelped each time.
It was heartbreaking, but my anger was directed at the owner for letting the animal reach such a state as even its skin and fur was sloughing off. Now that is cruel.
I took a hamster to be put to sleep once but it died of shock before being given the needle.
I have had ferrets put to sleep at the vets. Two were actually under anaesthetic anyway for a biopsy and also for an emergency spay. Both those would have felt nothing.
An older ferret that was taken to be put down due to an ongoing illness was to have an injection into his heart. However I did ask for him to be sedated beforehand and at an extra cost he was induced into a sleep and was unconscious when his heart was injected so he would not feel a thing.
So in light of the chickens, unless they react very differently to certain sedatives then these too could have been sedated first before having the needle in the chest.
I would not now consciously choose that method of death for any pet when they could be sedated first so did not know what was happening.
I still feel that the way the chicken was killed was unethical no matter how quick it happened. People that I know do not take their animals or pets to a vet to have their neck dislocated. I have even seen wild birds euthanised by a needle in the past, never by wringing their neck by a vet.
 
Fantasy_World said:
Yes breaking an animal's neck if done correctly can be a very quick death. However I doubt very much this client suspected that the chicken or any chicken put to sleep was having its neck broken in a back room.
I once had a pet rat pts via the injection into abdomen. They did not put it in her heart. She went to sleep but took several hours to actually die. I would never choose this method ever again.
I once saw a dog brought in to be pts who was so weak a vein could not be found. The vet took several attempts to inject the heart and the dog yelped each time.
It was heartbreaking, but my anger was directed at the owner for letting the animal reach such a state as even its skin and fur was sloughing off. Now that is cruel.
I took a hamster to be put to sleep once but it died of shock before being given the needle.
I have had ferrets put to sleep at the vets. Two were actually under anaesthetic anyway for a biopsy and also for an emergency spay. Both those would have felt nothing.
An older ferret that was taken to be put down due to an ongoing illness was to have an injection into his heart. However I did ask for him to be sedated beforehand and at an extra cost he was induced into a sleep and was unconscious when his heart was injected so he would not feel a thing.
So in light of the chickens, unless they react very differently to certain sedatives then these too could have been sedated first before having the needle in the chest.
I would not now consciously choose that method of death for any pet when they could be sedated first so did not know what was happening.
I still feel that the way the chicken was killed was unethical no matter how quick it happened. People that I know do not take their animals or pets to a vet to have their neck dislocated. I have even seen wild birds euthanised by a needle in the past, never by wringing their neck by a vet.
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Most Dogs/cats who are sedated throw up!!.... not nice!
 
carefreegirl said:
Ibblebibble - when you cut the legs off there's a tendon you can pull and the claw opens and closes. My mum and dad were the original Tom and Barbara from the Good life. I remember doing the above when I was about 6 or 7, I took it to school to show everybody ! Can't think why but got a right rollicking from the teacher :D
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lol oh i know the claw one, have chased the kids with them and taught them how to do it too:D
one of my lovely kids took in a rabbit skull ( found in the horses field) for show and tell in primary school lol:D And my daughter told her teacher how i'd bashed a poisoned mouse over the head with a frying pan after we found it in the tea caravan down the farm. I wonder if they've put my kids on the 'at risk from crazy parent' list:eek:
 
Ibblebibble said:
lol oh i know the claw one, have chased the kids with them and taught them how to do it too:D
one of my lovely kids took in a rabbit skull ( found in the horses field) for show and tell in primary school lol:D And my daughter told her teacher how i'd bashed a poisoned mouse over the head with a frying pan after we found it in the tea caravan down the farm. I wonder if they've put my kids on the 'at risk from crazy parent' list:eek:
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YES!!!!!!! lol
 
Ibblebibble said:
lol oh i know the claw one, have chased the kids with them and taught them how to do it too:D
one of my lovely kids took in a rabbit skull ( found in the horses field) for show and tell in primary school lol:D And my daughter told her teacher how i'd bashed a poisoned mouse over the head with a frying pan after we found it in the tea caravan down the farm. I wonder if they've put my kids on the 'at risk from crazy parent' list:eek:
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My sister in law has to censor the what we did at the weekend diary and as for show and tell that's a nightmare.
 
We dispatch all our chickens via the ol' neck wring, my mum gives me a biology lesson before boling them up for the dogs lol

i've wacked many a squirrel, rodent, mixi rabbit via shovel. better than leaving them to suffer surely??
 
Foxhunter49 said:
Bring back the red squirrel!
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Ive got a pair of red squirrels living in my trees...
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Brilliant post, sorry to hear about your squirrel two stroke, but we are currently waging war on our grey squirrels.
To date, they have eaten their way into three feed bins, resulting in our having to replace them with metal bins, regulary raid the chicken feeder, eaten through a petrol can, now looking for jerry cans eaten half the cap off the petrol lawn mower, chase the birds off the bird table, tried to rob a house martins nest and stand and defy you when you try and move them on.
We started with one on the bird table, now five visit, OH has shot two by hiding with the gun in the caravan next on his list are the rabbits.
I took a chicken to the vets after it had been attacked by a dog, nothing could be done so my instruction was, the quickest way possible, so she was taken away and had her kneck pulled
 
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