Help Humphrey

Do you not agree dried sweat and a growing out clip particularly on a chestnut that colour could make a coat appear dull in a grainy video?
 
Having just watched the video again, two further points that appear to change regularly.
1. In the video it states 'the inspectors wouldn't give their name, and they don't know who they are'. Yet on FB there is a link to something else with a named Inspector.HelpHumphrey then comments 'it's the same inspector'.
2. They show Humphrey 'in distress at the SPCA yard with anti weave door. But again on FB they say they cannot visit him. So who took the video? Maybe a innocent mix up. Maybe not.
 
Looking at the vids I wouldn't have thought his condition warranted removal, goodness knows I've seen far worse that have been left.

But, we do not know the full story behind this, the horse seems to be in pretty fast work for something lacking in condition and perhaps the owner has already been given advice in the past and is not taking it. I'd also be interested to know if the horse was medicated and why the other horse was removed.

From first glance it would seem a very unfair removal, but without nowing all the facts it is difficult to comment.

And is that top door really padlocked shut at the sspca? Seems very unsafe if that is the case. :eek:
 
MillyMoomie said:
Having just watched the video again, two further points that appear to change regularly.
1. In the video it states 'the inspectors wouldn't give their name, and they don't know who they are'. Yet on FB there is a link to something else with a named Inspector.HelpHumphrey then comments 'it's the same inspector'.
2. They show Humphrey 'in distress at the SPCA yard with anti weave door. But again on FB they say they cannot visit him. So who took the video? Maybe a innocent mix up. Maybe not.
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I don't usually contribute to posts like these however this is very local to where I live at home, RE the female inspector not giving her name, its very easy to identify her considering she is linked with one of the local riding schools in the area, which is why they knew "it's the same inspector"

about visiting the horse, I can imagine they would have been allowed to visit him once to check he had settled and then not allowed to check until the case had finished, or where he is kept is rather open and easy to get access to and is just off the main road so they could have easily walked up to check on him and left again un noticed by staff.

Also I would say the horse is lean, but certainly not a cruelty case, there are much leaner horses that go round the common rides than him, some buted up by riding schools so that they can still bring money in over the summer, and some of the conditions these horses live in aren't great, ragwort in fields, ill fitting tack - so much that they come away with great big saddle sores after one ride and still go on the next, or given a few rides off and then back out they go, busy riding schools can be doing 2/3 rides a week with their most popular horses. Yet you do not see the SPCA doing anything about these horses.
 
For the goodness knows how many times, I'm not talking about the long video, or the video on the ride, look at the two loading videos. He isn't lean, he is poor
 
According to the Help Humphrey Facebook page there were 2 other horses seized as well, as that poster asked why campaign for the return of one horse and not the others? Something not right here.
 
OAP65 said:
According to the Help Humphrey Facebook page there were 2 other horses seized as well, as that poster asked why campaign for the return of one horse and not the others? Something not right here.
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The facebook page says
' Hi there, yes two thoroughbreds were taken. It's two separate owners. The other owner will be going public as well.'
'Hi Kirsty ,the other horse does not belong to us. Going public is a last resort afterall other avenues have been exhausted , trying to help Humphrey started the minute he left we were fortunate his relationship was well documented , as was his well being prior to ride and currently . You're right though this practice of immediate seizure should be stopped for everyone's sake .I'm sorry but we're inundated with questions , we really have to concentrate on getting him back, hope you understand '

I would like to here the SPCA's side of the story
 
It all seems very suspicious. I have seen a horse far poorer than Humphrey be left in the care of a useless owner, because the S.S.P.C.A. inspector was happy that care was being given and that the horse was improving. It wasnt, I was convinced that I would come up one day and find him dead. Fortuneately that horse was sighned over to people who knew what they were doing and after a lot of work and time he is fine now. I just cant understand how the horse I know could be left and this one be sized.
 
charlie76 said:
I think many people have watched the well edited emotional video and are not seeing the bigger picture
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^^^This^^^
I completely agree with you Charlie76, there must be more to this story than they are letting on. The Inspectors would have introduced themselves to the owner/rider and explained fully why they are there. As it sounds very much like a "case" the owner/rider would have been cautioned and questioned. I don't believe for one minute that they have no idea why or what is happening.

All I see is a cleverly edited montage of video clips, I have no idea when they were taken, some of them could be years old.
 
I have watched all the videos. He does look on the poorer side of lean in the loading videos and when being walked around at the meet. However he is an older tb and I think it is EXTREME that he was seized without anything else going on. I think talking to the owner about horse management and the fact a horse that has clearly not wintered well should not be going in a sponsored ride and should only be in lighter work until the weight is back on.
 
Also from what I have learned he is about 20 and had been hacked from his yard which is about 8 miles on roads to where Common Ride was being held. Then Ride is about 5 hours long over some tough hilly terrain with a stop for lunch.
 
He may look lean but he does look happy.
I'm staggered that someone actually managed to get the SSPCA to do anything. What a pity they aren't so quick to remove horses in really bad condition.
Possibly because they know very little about equines.
I hope this is sorted out soon.
 
We agree that this situation needs a full and thorough investigation .The sooner the better.We perhaps all should be mindful of judgment prior to investigation. We have nothing to hide everything done has been for the love of a kind and gentle soul.

We would like to add that the initial response on here was extremely positive to Humphrey's plight but now appears to have been hijacked by a few, you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion and if your opinion is that he needed to be immediately seized so be it .

Most members of society do not share your view.
 
HelpHumphrey, I can sympathise that it's an extremely tough time for you, and I don't necessarily agree it was in the best interest of the horse for him to be taken as he was. Particularly after a what was probably a pretty tough day for him!

I don't however agree that this horse is one in an acceptable condition. The breed and age of the horse and also the tough winter, for me, are not a sufficient excuse. It would be different of course if you were taking steps to increase his condition, and its my opinion that taking a poor, aged horse on a ride such as this is not in the best interest of the animal.

HOWEVER as I said I don't necessarily agree how the horse was taken, and I would agree with other posters that its condition would probably at this stage warrant some guidance being given and it being kept an eye on. However there is nothing to say that this isn't the case, it wouldn't be the first time someone has portrayed themselves far differently than the reality.

I think this is a case that needs to be sorted between yourselves and the SPCA/your solicitors etc I for one am not advocating an animal be put back in the care of someone when I don't know for sure that its the best thing for the animal, and I'm surprised by how many can make that choice.

I will admit I found the first edited video extremely emotive and at first was sucked in by it, and it is a sad situation for everyone involved, mostly I feel for Humphrey.
 
Actually it stinks.

The Officer in the video didn't seem very keen on being video'd at all. When there have been rescues of horses in real need (like Amersham for instance) it was fine for the RSPCA to film that and show it widely. What do they have to hide?

Personally, if the owner was genuinely and severely at fault, I don't think they'd launch a campaign like this. Surely they'd be hiding in the shadows, not wanting anyone to know.

I would expect an older TB to be on the lean side in the winter. He certainly didn't look lame and what about the heart murmour - does this mean he can't be worked?

I'm not saying Humphrey was in great condition or that there was no reason for the SSPCA to be involved in some way, but I do think that to take someones horses away without first giving the owner some help or advice if needed is blatently wrong
 
The expertise of SSPCA is evident as they load him into the wrong side of the trailer...

Don't know the full story so can't comment but agree that SSPCA ignore far worse goings on and much poorer animals in their very own back garden.

Hopefully this will now get resolved quickly and the correct action for the horse taken.
 
OAP65 said:
Also from what I have learned he is about 20 and had been hacked from his yard which is about 8 miles on roads to where Common Ride was being held. Then Ride is about 5 hours long over some tough hilly terrain with a stop for lunch.
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Doubt it as horse was trailered home (clearly states took 40mins to load as was spooked when loading by another lorry).
 
galaxy said:
I have watched all the videos. He does look on the poorer side of lean in the loading videos and when being walked around at the meet. However he is an older tb and I think it is EXTREME that he was seized without anything else going on. I think talking to the owner about horse management and the fact a horse that has clearly not wintered well should not be going in a sponsored ride and should only be in lighter work until the weight is back on.
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^^^Agree with this
 
Piebaldsparkle, no doubt about it he was hacked about 8 miles on roads before he even did the Common Ride.
 
Clippy said:
Actually it stinks.

The Officer in the video didn't seem very keen on being video'd at all.
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Officer seemed totally unprofessional (laughing/smirking at 3.06).

Mind The Officer has family connections to a large riding school that I believe houses some seized horses (no conflict of interests there then) and are happy to send horse on common rides tacked up like this!

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OAP65 said:
Also from what I have learned he is about 20 and had been hacked from his yard which is about 8 miles on roads to where Common Ride was being held. Then Ride is about 5 hours long over some tough hilly terrain with a stop for lunch.
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OAP65 said:
Piebaldsparkle, no doubt about it he was hacked about 8 miles on roads before he even did the Common Ride.
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So you are suggesting he was ridden for 7hrs that day?

8miles road work (approx 2hrs) + 5hrs Common ride?

Sorry I don't believe you. Do you even get 7hrs day light in Scotland!:p
 
piebaldsparkle said:
Officer seemed totally unprofessional (laughing/smirking at 3.06).

Mind The Officer has family connections to a large riding school that I believe houses some seized horses (no conflict of interests there then) and are happy to send horse on common rides tacked up like this!

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:eek::eek::eek:

Even my totally un-horsey OH has just looked at the photo and said 'It's thingy doesn't look right'. If my OH can tell from a glance, I do worry about those people who are meant to know what they are doing.
 
Copperpot said:
Sorry Tallyho I disagree. That is not to me a fit looking horse. He is poor lean.
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Well I only saw one video. If you have seen more then I can't control that. From "what I saw" I did not see a problem.

Hope that's ok with you :)
 
Terrible, poor girl, the RSPCA in whatever guise are clueless and abuse the kindness of people who donate to them by needlessly targeting people who have done nothing wrong rather than helping animals in need.
 
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