Help needed - advice on over zealour barefoot trim

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I think the time has come to put your beliefs to one side and do what is right for the horse

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Wish it was that simple! Not my horse nor my beleifs.
 
Interesting. Your horse is not sensitive on the first day of trimming? I have had barefoot horses ever since I was a kid and I don't remember any of them not being footy the next day, LOL!! I've 25 now, 23 are barefoot and still all of them are wary on their first day afterwards.
 
I'm missing some of the other posts as I type so forgive me if I go over old ground

It sounds as if the horse needs some form of frog support taped onto the foot, keep him in, deep shavings bed if poss. Call the vet DONT GIVE PAINKILLERS. That is for your vet. He/she will give a dose that still leaves the horse in mild discomfort to encourage him to lie down.
 
A bit like religion isn't it
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How many horses do you have who run barefoot? Can you clarify your experience and your years of knowledge on this matter please.
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I read all this with interest having come up against the exact same situation with someone at my yard - also a good friend. Its hard when its your friend isnt it.

I agree with everyone else. Regardless of whether it is or is not laminitis, she really really needs to call the vet.

Im not anti-barefoot trims, another friend of mine has fells with the hardest feet who dont need shoes and have never had shoes. But it just does not work for some horses.

Good luck. Can you update us on what happens?
 
Seriously,,no footiness. I would freak. lol.

I do wonder if it has anything to do with where he is kept.

Due to the marvels of British weather I have created an enormous hardstanding area (Very stoney as in big stones and little stones) this is where their haylage is and where they spend a lot of time. (Perhaps that is why)?

When I hack out I hack on Tarmac, stones, muddy/stoney tracks, gravel etc.

I find that the "Old girl" is more comfortable after her trim (6 weekly)

Funny isn't it.

I keep saying "You can never say never" with horses. lol



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How many horses do you have who run barefoot? Can you clarify your experience and your years of knowledge on this matter please.

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I am a registered farrier with 25 years experience I maintain a good percentage of my clients horses unshod. I tell you this only as a response to your direct question. I consider my views should be taken as any other contributor.
 
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I'm missing some of the other posts as I type so forgive me if I go over old ground

It sounds as if the horse needs some form of frog support taped onto the foot, keep him in, deep shavings bed if poss. Call the vet DONT GIVE PAINKILLERS. That is for your vet. He/she will give a dose that still leaves the horse in mild discomfort to encourage him to lie down.

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I have done all I can. He is on a deep litter shavings bed and I have advised her to speak to the vet. I can't do any more than that
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Welcome the words of sanity! Our ponies are always a wee bit careful on gravel and concrete straight after a trim, when they are unshod (as now).

If it is laminitis (please, not laminitUs) then has anyone read that excessive use of nsaids (bute, Danilon) can cause the gut wall to leak and that the contaminants which enter the bloodstream dissolve the basement membrane in the hoof - which causes the laminae to separate (further)?

Obviously, pain control is an important ethical matter but I am quite open to the idea giving too many painkillers may actually aggravate laminitis.

I do hope this resolves amicably and quickly for everyone's sake - not least the poor horse.
 
Hi You have done a great job on two respects; you have looked after the horses interests to your best ability and you have brought this topic out into the open.
 
Well I would consider most normal people would ask for experience before heeding anyone's advice.

I find it mind-blowing that NONE of the horses you have trimmed barefoot over a period of 25 years have been slightly sensitive on stony ground the next day. LOL!!

This forum is the first place I have ever heard of horses never becoming footy immediately after their barefoot horses have been trimmed. I know no-one in real life whose horses don't notice that they have had their feet trimmed......seems almost incredulous to me to be honest.

When I break/trim a long nail off, the tip of my finger is always sensitive for a day or two....I bet yours isn't though
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Well I would consider most normal people would ask for experience before heeding anyone's advice.

I find it mind-blowing that NONE of the horses you have trimmed barefoot over a period of 25 years have been slightly sensitive on stony ground the next day. LOL!!

This forum is the first place I have ever heard of horses never becoming footy immediately after their barefoot horses have been trimmed. I know no-one in real life whose horses don't notice that they have had their feet trimmed......seems almost incredulous to me to be honest.

When I break/trim a long nail off, the tip of my finger is always sensitive for a day or two....I bet yours isn't though
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I hear what your saying and Tallagh was the only horse I have ever come across that really didnt get footy - ever. But then she had never ever been shod.
 
If the horse has suspected Laminitis then this should be treated as an emergncey and the vet called immediately.

A course of treatment for laminitis may include the horse having rubber frog supports fitted to try and give pain relief and prevent rotation of the pedal bone, put on a very deep bed, immediately cut down on it's feed and put on pain killers. Bute may not powerfull enough on its own and Finodine may be prescribed. The horses feed should be reduced to one slice of soaked hay every 4 hours 24/7. The horse should remain in it's stable until it is in no further pain and the pedal bone has been stabilised. This could take several months. The horse will then require remedial shoeing.
 
None of mine have ever been shod (except the 2 shod ones obviously
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). They have all been born, raised and left unshod for the whole of their lives.....as most horses are in my part of the world. They all have beautiful feet; good and strong and in wonderful condition. I have one of the most highly respected farrier in North America and he always does a fabulous job with them all.
 
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When I break/trim a long nail off, the tip of my finger is always sensitive for a day or two....I bet yours isn't though

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Hang on when did this become a personal punch up? If I cut my fingernails they definately don't hurt... if I snap them off or make them bleed fair enough they hurt.

I was under the impression that the horse orignally being discussed was a tad more than footy! It can't move and has a marked digital pulse
 
Just out of interest Tia (Sorry JAQ for hogging your thread).
You have many barefoot horses and two shod. Why are those two particular horses shod?
I am struggling to word this question without it coming across as if I want to start an arguement. LOL. I don't, I am just plain interested.
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Sorry Ive not gone through 4 pages of replies so pardon me if this has already been said. The horse needs a deep supportive bed, water and hay...and a VET.

And whoever has encouraged this owner to subject her horse to sore feet and the rest for three years (
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These damned barefoot people are so brainwashed its unbelievable. Yes go shoeless if it suits the horse but to allow a horse to be in pain or discomfort for so long for the sake of misguided and over zealous beliefs is just disgusting.
 
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When I break/trim a long nail off, the tip of my finger is always sensitive for a day or two....I bet yours isn't though

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Hang on when did this become a personal punch up? If I cut my fingernails they definately don't hurt... if I snap them off or make them bleed fair enough they hurt.

I was under the impression that the horse orignally being discussed was a tad more than footy! It can't move and has a marked digital pulse

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Not strictly true - it can move on soft surfaces but is uncomfortable on hard surfaces including smooth concrete.
 
Both are 20 years old and both have soft soles. They do not have strong feet like all the other youngsters.
 
Without wanting to get into a fist fight with anyone, I too am surprised nobody else has had their horses be even a tad more cautious (not hopping lame or bolted to the floor) about taking on what I refer to as crispy crumbs - or rough, gravelly going - until they have re-accustomed themselves to their new feet.

Our old Cushing's girl, who is having quite radical trims and her hoof angles adjusted, is also a little ouchy on the first day - but amazingly no longer than that.

Heck, I have even had shod animals VERY occasionally find their new shoes a bit tight and not step out so bravely on day one.

I am not a barefoot disciple, just have three ponies whose feet are fine and dandy unshod at the moment. I use a regular farrier and am very happy with his work.
 
So the skin at the tip of your finger does not feel sensitive when you cut a long nail? Oh jeez.......must be something in the Canadian air then LOL!!
 
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