Tia
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Help needed - advice on over zealour barefoot trim
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Tia
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I don't think there is anything you can do. You've said as much as you can and if she won't listen then there is no more that you can say or do to change her mind.
Has the horse been almost constantly lame for 3 years?
Has the horse been almost constantly lame for 3 years?
Doublethyme
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Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis, maybe not full blown, but definitely low grade and something needs to be sorted out quickly.
My own mare was footy barefoot when she shouldn't have been on paper - after much discussions with my trimmer (who is a complete professional and was more than ready to recommend shoes if we couldn't get to the bottom of her discomfort and so was I), low grade lami was the diagnosis. I have since done intensive research into diet etc and with this right for her metabolism, she is rock crunching and doing brilliantly (better than she was shod as I now have her metabolic issues under better control, which were ticking away unnoticeable in shoes).
Glad to hear the vet has said keep the horse in, hope your friend is also soaking hay for 12 hours to leach sugars too and cut out any cereals from the diet. If its lami, the pulses should lessen and the horse become more comfortable.
I am surprised her trimmer hasn't advised her accordingly and would be uncomfortable with this level of service - although obviously we only get a snap shot of the whole picture on a forum like this.
Maybe the horse needs shoes back on anyway, but she really needs to get to the bottom of whether he has laminitis first, as shoes will just disguise low grade lami and it won't be noticable until it becomes full blown and very very serious.
However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis, maybe not full blown, but definitely low grade and something needs to be sorted out quickly.
My own mare was footy barefoot when she shouldn't have been on paper - after much discussions with my trimmer (who is a complete professional and was more than ready to recommend shoes if we couldn't get to the bottom of her discomfort and so was I), low grade lami was the diagnosis. I have since done intensive research into diet etc and with this right for her metabolism, she is rock crunching and doing brilliantly (better than she was shod as I now have her metabolic issues under better control, which were ticking away unnoticeable in shoes).
Glad to hear the vet has said keep the horse in, hope your friend is also soaking hay for 12 hours to leach sugars too and cut out any cereals from the diet. If its lami, the pulses should lessen and the horse become more comfortable.
I am surprised her trimmer hasn't advised her accordingly and would be uncomfortable with this level of service - although obviously we only get a snap shot of the whole picture on a forum like this.
Maybe the horse needs shoes back on anyway, but she really needs to get to the bottom of whether he has laminitis first, as shoes will just disguise low grade lami and it won't be noticable until it becomes full blown and very very serious.
JACQSZOO
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I don't think there is anything you can do. You've said as much as you can and if she won't listen then there is no more that you can say or do to change her mind.
Has the horse been almost constantly lame for 3 years?
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No not at all. He has periods of bruising and abcess' and then this latest episode. He has also gone footy when she stopped using boots, so for the past 10 months she has been using them religiously. He cannot cope with any going other than soft or smooth tarmac without his boots.
I don't think there is anything you can do. You've said as much as you can and if she won't listen then there is no more that you can say or do to change her mind.
Has the horse been almost constantly lame for 3 years?
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No not at all. He has periods of bruising and abcess' and then this latest episode. He has also gone footy when she stopped using boots, so for the past 10 months she has been using them religiously. He cannot cope with any going other than soft or smooth tarmac without his boots.
JACQSZOO
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Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis, maybe not full blown, but definitely low grade and something needs to be sorted out quickly.
My own mare was footy barefoot when she shouldn't have been on paper - after much discussions with my trimmer (who is a complete professional and was more than ready to recommend shoes if we couldn't get to the bottom of her discomfort and so was I), low grade lami was the diagnosis. I have since done intensive research into diet etc and with this right for her metabolism, she is rock crunching and doing brilliantly (better than she was shod as I now have her metabolic issues under better control, which were ticking away unnoticeable in shoes).
Glad to hear the vet has said keep the horse in, hope your friend is also soaking hay for 12 hours to leach sugars too and cut out any cereals from the diet. If its lami, the pulses should lessen and the horse become more comfortable.
I am surprised her trimmer hasn't advised her accordingly and would be uncomfortable with this level of service - although obviously we only get a snap shot of the whole picture on a forum like this.
Maybe the horse needs shoes back on anyway, but she really needs to get to the bottom of whether he has laminitis first, as shoes will just disguise low grade lami and it won't be noticable until it becomes full blown and very very serious.
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He is on haylage and the vet has advised (over the phone) that there is no need to cut this out as haylage is not the cause.
What I don't understand is that he was in all day yesterday and was as sore as ever when he was taken out of his box. I cannot comment on whether his digital pulse had gone down as I only looked for them myself last night. Owner had not thought to look before then.
Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis, maybe not full blown, but definitely low grade and something needs to be sorted out quickly.
My own mare was footy barefoot when she shouldn't have been on paper - after much discussions with my trimmer (who is a complete professional and was more than ready to recommend shoes if we couldn't get to the bottom of her discomfort and so was I), low grade lami was the diagnosis. I have since done intensive research into diet etc and with this right for her metabolism, she is rock crunching and doing brilliantly (better than she was shod as I now have her metabolic issues under better control, which were ticking away unnoticeable in shoes).
Glad to hear the vet has said keep the horse in, hope your friend is also soaking hay for 12 hours to leach sugars too and cut out any cereals from the diet. If its lami, the pulses should lessen and the horse become more comfortable.
I am surprised her trimmer hasn't advised her accordingly and would be uncomfortable with this level of service - although obviously we only get a snap shot of the whole picture on a forum like this.
Maybe the horse needs shoes back on anyway, but she really needs to get to the bottom of whether he has laminitis first, as shoes will just disguise low grade lami and it won't be noticable until it becomes full blown and very very serious.
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He is on haylage and the vet has advised (over the phone) that there is no need to cut this out as haylage is not the cause.
What I don't understand is that he was in all day yesterday and was as sore as ever when he was taken out of his box. I cannot comment on whether his digital pulse had gone down as I only looked for them myself last night. Owner had not thought to look before then.
Tia
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....and it doesn't occur to her that frequent bruising and abscesses are not normal?
If he can't go out without boots on, then something is not right. He is sound in the field presumably?
My barefoot gang have to cover very rocky and sharp terrain here and apart from the day/day after they have been trimmed, they are perfectly sound on all of it. Our driveway is the worst......rough and sharp stones lying sporadically on top of a very hard surface and that is the only place where mine are cautious immediately after being trimmed. If they were like this on all surfaces then they would be relegated to having front shoes on like the two oldies.
I have a thing for feet - I like nice feet.
If he can't go out without boots on, then something is not right. He is sound in the field presumably?
My barefoot gang have to cover very rocky and sharp terrain here and apart from the day/day after they have been trimmed, they are perfectly sound on all of it. Our driveway is the worst......rough and sharp stones lying sporadically on top of a very hard surface and that is the only place where mine are cautious immediately after being trimmed. If they were like this on all surfaces then they would be relegated to having front shoes on like the two oldies.
I have a thing for feet - I like nice feet.
Doublethyme
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He is on haylage and the vet has advised (over the phone) that there is no need to cut this out as haylage is not the cause.
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I would strongly dispute this point with the vet! This horse sounds like an extremely strong candidate for metabolic issues causing low grade laminitis. It isn't a condition that is universally recognised by some vets and although I know enough to deal with my mare, I am no way informed enough to advise further on here.
What I would suggest is you point your friend in the direction of the Metabolic Horse Yahoo Group which is run by a lady called Jackie A Taylor who will be able to advise on diet issues to rule out low grade lami and metabolic issues.
I am so surprised that the vet doesn't think it is worth ruling laminitis out by cutting out all obvious problem foods, haylage included.
As an example, my mare can cope perfectly well on haylage over the winter, but come the end of January I switch her over to well soaked (12 hours if possible) hay because if I don't (which I stupidly didn't last year), she develops pulses in her feet and if ignored (which now I know I don't ignore!), she will go footy on stones, increasing to smooth hard ground and would eventually I am positive have a full blown lami attack (thankfully we have never got that far).
I would be seriously looking at this horse's diet and would bet money that it is the cause of the footiness/abcesses etc.
Even if she puts shoes back on (which no one would blame her, although sounds like she is the worse kind of barefoot owner who isn't open to that option), she needs to deal with the diet issues as well.
If the horse was just sore (not saying its acceptable) from the trim and didn't have the history of abcesses/footiness on rough ground that has been described, than shoes or time in a box to recover some foot would be fine, but this horse doesn't sound like it is just the trim, there is something else going on which needs investigating.
He is on haylage and the vet has advised (over the phone) that there is no need to cut this out as haylage is not the cause.
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I would strongly dispute this point with the vet! This horse sounds like an extremely strong candidate for metabolic issues causing low grade laminitis. It isn't a condition that is universally recognised by some vets and although I know enough to deal with my mare, I am no way informed enough to advise further on here.
What I would suggest is you point your friend in the direction of the Metabolic Horse Yahoo Group which is run by a lady called Jackie A Taylor who will be able to advise on diet issues to rule out low grade lami and metabolic issues.
I am so surprised that the vet doesn't think it is worth ruling laminitis out by cutting out all obvious problem foods, haylage included.
As an example, my mare can cope perfectly well on haylage over the winter, but come the end of January I switch her over to well soaked (12 hours if possible) hay because if I don't (which I stupidly didn't last year), she develops pulses in her feet and if ignored (which now I know I don't ignore!), she will go footy on stones, increasing to smooth hard ground and would eventually I am positive have a full blown lami attack (thankfully we have never got that far).
I would be seriously looking at this horse's diet and would bet money that it is the cause of the footiness/abcesses etc.
Even if she puts shoes back on (which no one would blame her, although sounds like she is the worse kind of barefoot owner who isn't open to that option), she needs to deal with the diet issues as well.
If the horse was just sore (not saying its acceptable) from the trim and didn't have the history of abcesses/footiness on rough ground that has been described, than shoes or time in a box to recover some foot would be fine, but this horse doesn't sound like it is just the trim, there is something else going on which needs investigating.
JACQSZOO
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and it doesn't occur to her that frequent bruising and abscesses are not normal?
If he can't go out without boots on, then something is not right. He is sound in the field presumably?
It does'nt appear to - no. When ever I mention it and try and explain she then speaks to the trimmer who usually uses lots of technical terms and she then believes her. For example, we moved to a new yard last July after I lost my old horse. My friend decided to come with me. As I have explained to get to his field he has to cross a stoney car park area - she was extremely concerned about this and very nearly did'nt come to the yard because of it. I said FFS its been over 2 years and if you are worried about leading him 50 yards over some stones then clearly something is not right. She then spoke to her trimmer who advised her that she had stopped using boots too soon and that was why he was feeling the stones (laymans version!), mentioned lots about compacting soles and stuff. Now he had been barefoot for over 2 years at this point and she had been using boots for most of it. She would occassionaly do a bit of roadwork without them but that was it. She avoids all hacking routes that have rough ground regardless.
Yes he is sound in the field normally (can't comment if he is at mo as he is in because she could not get him over said stones) She did lunge him last night, in his boots, on a rubber and sand surface and he was not striding out properly at all.
Getting him to and from the arena in his boots over the stones (20 yards if that) was pitiful to watch. In actual fact when she came out of the arena she went round the back of the barns (pitch black and deep mud) rather than lead him back over the stones. Even walking him across the tarmac, in his boots, was a slow painful process for him.
If he can't go out without boots on, then something is not right. He is sound in the field presumably?
It does'nt appear to - no. When ever I mention it and try and explain she then speaks to the trimmer who usually uses lots of technical terms and she then believes her. For example, we moved to a new yard last July after I lost my old horse. My friend decided to come with me. As I have explained to get to his field he has to cross a stoney car park area - she was extremely concerned about this and very nearly did'nt come to the yard because of it. I said FFS its been over 2 years and if you are worried about leading him 50 yards over some stones then clearly something is not right. She then spoke to her trimmer who advised her that she had stopped using boots too soon and that was why he was feeling the stones (laymans version!), mentioned lots about compacting soles and stuff. Now he had been barefoot for over 2 years at this point and she had been using boots for most of it. She would occassionaly do a bit of roadwork without them but that was it. She avoids all hacking routes that have rough ground regardless.
Yes he is sound in the field normally (can't comment if he is at mo as he is in because she could not get him over said stones) She did lunge him last night, in his boots, on a rubber and sand surface and he was not striding out properly at all.
Getting him to and from the arena in his boots over the stones (20 yards if that) was pitiful to watch. In actual fact when she came out of the arena she went round the back of the barns (pitch black and deep mud) rather than lead him back over the stones. Even walking him across the tarmac, in his boots, was a slow painful process for him.
JACQSZOO
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See thats another thing that doe'snt make sense to me. Vet has said OK to haylage but has told her to cut out all hard feed (not that he gets anything other than hi-fi and a general supplement)
Tia
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I would agree with most of what Doublethyme is saying.....however as we don't know what type of haylage the horse is being fed, we can't/shouldn't speculate that the haylage is the cause. It completely depends on the type of grass used to make the haylage as to whether it is suitable for laminitics. Not all haylage is bad for lami's.
JACQSZOO
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He was fed adlib hay the first winter she owned him. Last winter he was fed both hay and Horsehage. This year he is on big bale haylage that is made on the yard.
Tia
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Aww that is pitiful......sorry but it really is.
Apart from the obvious pity for the horse, I also feel very sorry for you having to watch all of this going on.
Apart from the obvious pity for the horse, I also feel very sorry for you having to watch all of this going on.
AmyMay
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However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis
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I doubt it tbh. My horse Freddy displayed exactly the same symptoms after one trim, where he was cut back shorter than previous. To my absolute horror and shame he was in an awful lot of pain for about 24 hours - and with pain relief including Fynadine. It does happen unfortunately - and you have to learn from it. Fred was never trimmed so radically again - and had to have his fronts back on.
However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis
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I doubt it tbh. My horse Freddy displayed exactly the same symptoms after one trim, where he was cut back shorter than previous. To my absolute horror and shame he was in an awful lot of pain for about 24 hours - and with pain relief including Fynadine. It does happen unfortunately - and you have to learn from it. Fred was never trimmed so radically again - and had to have his fronts back on.
JACQSZOO
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You know what amazes me the most?
She has had all sorts of mumbo jumbo tests done on him to see if he is "lacking in something" (suggested by the trimmer several times). Honestly, you have to see to beleive and if I tried to explain some of these tests on here you lot would think she is stark staring mad. She truly isnt. She genuinely wants what is best for her horse but has been guided down the wrong route completely and trusts these "experts" completely.
She has had all sorts of mumbo jumbo tests done on him to see if he is "lacking in something" (suggested by the trimmer several times). Honestly, you have to see to beleive and if I tried to explain some of these tests on here you lot would think she is stark staring mad. She truly isnt. She genuinely wants what is best for her horse but has been guided down the wrong route completely and trusts these "experts" completely.
JACQSZOO
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However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis
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I doubt it tbh. My horse Freddy displayed exactly the same symptoms after one trim, where he was cut back shorter than previous. To my absolute horror and shame he was in an awful lot of pain for about 24 hours - and with pain relief including Fynadine. It does happen unfortunately - and you have to learn from it. Fred was never trimmed so radically again - and had to have his fronts back on.
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He was trimmed on Friday - if anything last night he was worse!
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However, I really think this horse sounds like it has laminitis
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I doubt it tbh. My horse Freddy displayed exactly the same symptoms after one trim, where he was cut back shorter than previous. To my absolute horror and shame he was in an awful lot of pain for about 24 hours - and with pain relief including Fynadine. It does happen unfortunately - and you have to learn from it. Fred was never trimmed so radically again - and had to have his fronts back on.
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He was trimmed on Friday - if anything last night he was worse!
siennamum
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Some vets don't know a great deal about lami and it's causes. I've had a vet in the past who prescribed precisely the wrong things for a laminitic mare. I could b ewrong and this could be a very experienced horse vet, but I think my vet would be straight out if I described these symptoms and would suspect lami.
Sounds like she has very poor judgement when it comes to chosing experts.
Sounds like she has very poor judgement when it comes to chosing experts.
Tia
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Jac.......I know this is really not an ethical thing to do, and GTs will have a fit seeing me ask you to do this and it REALLY goes against the grain for me also......but is there any way you could take a photo of one of the horses feet, both from the side AND on lifting the foot so we can see what it looks like underneath?
God I can't believe I just said that
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Jac.......I know this is really not an ethical thing to do, and GTs will have a fit seeing me ask you to do this and it REALLY goes against the grain for me also......but is there any way you could take a photo of one of the horses feet, both from the side AND on lifting the foot so we can see what it looks like underneath?
God I can't believe I just said that
JACQSZOO
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Some vets don't know a great deal about lami and it's causes. I've had a vet in the past who prescribed precisely the wrong things for a laminitic mare. I could b ewrong and this could be a very experienced horse vet, but I think my vet would be straight out if I described these symptoms and would suspect lami.
Sounds like she has very poor judgement when it comes to chosing experts.
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They are specialist horse vets.
Some vets don't know a great deal about lami and it's causes. I've had a vet in the past who prescribed precisely the wrong things for a laminitic mare. I could b ewrong and this could be a very experienced horse vet, but I think my vet would be straight out if I described these symptoms and would suspect lami.
Sounds like she has very poor judgement when it comes to chosing experts.
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They are specialist horse vets.
henryhorn
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As I type I have more than 30 horses barefoot out in the fields. The only time they go lame is when they get some grit in their soles and an infection sets in.
Because we are on granite their feet wear down naturally, and they often only need a trim every few months. Some of course cope better than others, the boxy shaped feet need more frequent care than those of the cobs, who have perfectly shaped balanced feet just by wear.
I'm sorry but your friend is an arrogant opinionated fool.
A horse should not be sore after a trim, if it is, it's been too radical a trim.
I understand the position you're in, she will turn on you if you attempt to suggest this, but its fact I'm afraid.
She is putting her own view of barefoot trimming before her horse's welfare, and that's wrong.
I think your best suggestion is to advise her to get her vet, because if shock has started laminitis she won't be able to help the horse without veterinary advice.
It will need support on it's frogs and painkillers to relieve matters.
Shame she doesn't read this forum isn't it?
Because we are on granite their feet wear down naturally, and they often only need a trim every few months. Some of course cope better than others, the boxy shaped feet need more frequent care than those of the cobs, who have perfectly shaped balanced feet just by wear.
I'm sorry but your friend is an arrogant opinionated fool.
A horse should not be sore after a trim, if it is, it's been too radical a trim.
I understand the position you're in, she will turn on you if you attempt to suggest this, but its fact I'm afraid.
She is putting her own view of barefoot trimming before her horse's welfare, and that's wrong.
I think your best suggestion is to advise her to get her vet, because if shock has started laminitis she won't be able to help the horse without veterinary advice.
It will need support on it's frogs and painkillers to relieve matters.
Shame she doesn't read this forum isn't it?
JACQSZOO
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Jac.......I know this is really not an ethical thing to do, and GTs will have a fit seeing me ask you to do this and it REALLY goes against the grain for me also......but is there any way you could take a photo of one of the horses feet, both from the side AND on lifting the foot so we can see what it looks like underneath?
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Yup course I can and with her permission. She is aware that I was going to ask for advice from people I speak to on here as to whether he could have got low grade lami and I'm sure she will be happy to let me take photos for people to give opinions. The trouble only happens when your opinion differs to that of the expert.
His feet to me, actually look ok - certainly far better than they did before the trim and I think that may be part of the problem.
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Jac.......I know this is really not an ethical thing to do, and GTs will have a fit seeing me ask you to do this and it REALLY goes against the grain for me also......but is there any way you could take a photo of one of the horses feet, both from the side AND on lifting the foot so we can see what it looks like underneath?
God I can't believe I just said that
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Yup course I can and with her permission. She is aware that I was going to ask for advice from people I speak to on here as to whether he could have got low grade lami and I'm sure she will be happy to let me take photos for people to give opinions. The trouble only happens when your opinion differs to that of the expert.
His feet to me, actually look ok - certainly far better than they did before the trim and I think that may be part of the problem.
Tia
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Oh that's good - I don't feel bad now, LOL!!
Yes I know what you mean about experts but do remind her that their are experts and then there are "experts"....
Yes I know what you mean about experts but do remind her that their are experts and then there are "experts"....
Doublethyme
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True Tia, thanks for picking up on that because I hadn't thought of it, some of the Horsehage brands are fine, I was automatically thinking of large bale haylage because that is what I use.
Although I do believe that some horses with metabolic issues can have a reaction to the acidity of haylage, whether or not it is the low sugar variety. But again, I am only repeating what I have read and am in now way an expert on this subject.
Although I do believe that some horses with metabolic issues can have a reaction to the acidity of haylage, whether or not it is the low sugar variety. But again, I am only repeating what I have read and am in now way an expert on this subject.
Doublethyme
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Amymay, I would agree with you normally if this was a problem just from the trim, but reading the post I took it that this horse has been on and off footy on stones etc for years - this screams low grade laminitis to me (and the abcessing).
Hopefully my view is wrong, because if its just he's been trimmed a bit short that's easily dealt with, with a change of trimmer or back to a farrier.
Its really hard just from a forum to work out what is going on and I hope the horse gets better soon whatever the problem is, whether that is with or without shoes.
Hopefully my view is wrong, because if its just he's been trimmed a bit short that's easily dealt with, with a change of trimmer or back to a farrier.
Its really hard just from a forum to work out what is going on and I hope the horse gets better soon whatever the problem is, whether that is with or without shoes.
Gingernags
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Yup course I can and with her permission. She is aware that I was going to ask for advice from people I speak to on here as to whether he could have got low grade lami and I'm sure she will be happy to let me take photos for people to give opinions. The trouble only happens when your opinion differs to that of the expert.
His feet to me, actually look ok - certainly far better than they did before the trim and I think that may be part of the problem.
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So are you going to tell her that the opinion on here, from shoe AND barefoot people and a farrier too - is that her trimmer is causing the problems and even if she stays barefoot its about time she got someone else?
Or that after 2 years if the horse cannot cope without its boots - it never will- and again barefoot people think her horse won't cope and needs shoes?
I would give a horse 6 months to toughen up, certainly no more than a year - and if it was still foooty - the shoes would be back on!
Oh and I think it sounds like lami. Mine has had 2 "mild attacks" and those raised digital pulses for me are a sure sign something is not right, that and the amount of pain the poor beggar is in. I'd drop the haylage and go for soaked hay and get the vet out - a different one than she spoke to on the phone!
Yup course I can and with her permission. She is aware that I was going to ask for advice from people I speak to on here as to whether he could have got low grade lami and I'm sure she will be happy to let me take photos for people to give opinions. The trouble only happens when your opinion differs to that of the expert.
His feet to me, actually look ok - certainly far better than they did before the trim and I think that may be part of the problem.
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So are you going to tell her that the opinion on here, from shoe AND barefoot people and a farrier too - is that her trimmer is causing the problems and even if she stays barefoot its about time she got someone else?
Or that after 2 years if the horse cannot cope without its boots - it never will- and again barefoot people think her horse won't cope and needs shoes?
I would give a horse 6 months to toughen up, certainly no more than a year - and if it was still foooty - the shoes would be back on!
Oh and I think it sounds like lami. Mine has had 2 "mild attacks" and those raised digital pulses for me are a sure sign something is not right, that and the amount of pain the poor beggar is in. I'd drop the haylage and go for soaked hay and get the vet out - a different one than she spoke to on the phone!
Eceni
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By definition, raised digital pulses are an indication of inflamation in the foot. You can't say more than that without testing, although it's likely that multiple raised pulses are an indication of laminitis.
I'd get a second opinion on both fronts: vet and trimmer. It can't hurt to ask anothe professional what they think; she doesn't have to take the advice.
I'd get a second opinion on both fronts: vet and trimmer. It can't hurt to ask anothe professional what they think; she doesn't have to take the advice.
aran
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does she not realise that a horse that is in pain due to trimming is neglect and there have been horses siezed by the RSPCA and owners prosecuted because of it. These horses were worse than you describe obviously - but thats not the point. what gets me is it isnt the trimmer or advisor/brainwasher that has to stand up in court but the owner who allowed them to trim their horse.
Silly lady and poor pony.
I'm glad you have managed to get her to do something
Silly lady and poor pony.
I'm glad you have managed to get her to do something
DaisyDuke
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Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
Just to clarify I wasnt saying that only farriers could trim, I was saying it was illegal for non registered (and anyone who isnt a farrier) to trim a horse!
Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
Just to clarify I wasnt saying that only farriers could trim, I was saying it was illegal for non registered (and anyone who isnt a farrier) to trim a horse!
JACQSZOO
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Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
Just to clarify I wasnt saying that only farriers could trim, I was saying it was illegal for non registered (and anyone who isnt a farrier) to trim a horse!
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It is not illegal for anyone non-registered to a trim a horse - thats half the problem - it is only illegal to prepare a foot for a shoe if you are not registered.
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Sorry haven't read all the messages as it is now 7 pages long! I have my mare barefoot and trimmed by a non farrier and don't agree that only farriers should trim (have seen farriers sore a horse too so ...good and bad from both camps)
Just to clarify I wasnt saying that only farriers could trim, I was saying it was illegal for non registered (and anyone who isnt a farrier) to trim a horse!
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It is not illegal for anyone non-registered to a trim a horse - thats half the problem - it is only illegal to prepare a foot for a shoe if you are not registered.
Tia
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I was saying it was illegal for non registered (and anyone who isnt a farrier) to trim a horse!
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Well then, I'm sorry but you are quite wrong. It is NOT illegal for an unregistered person to trim a horse's hoof. It is only illegal to prepare a hoof and put a shoe ON.
AmyMay
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How's the little horse this morning??