Michen
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Your killing me, it’s the one feed I’ve found he consistently eats in any amount all winter ?? of course that probably means it’s bad for him!
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Your killing me, it’s the one feed I’ve found he consistently eats in any amount all winter ?? of course that probably means it’s bad for him!
Wheels
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It might be a combination of gaining muscle and fat. He has filled in in front of the wither and around the back of the shoulder blade as well as less angular over the croup, this suggests muscle, many fat horses still have very bony areas along the topline.
Anyway this is a digression - let us know how you get on with the vet
Leo Walker
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I know! I feel your pain. Mines eating grass nuts now. She has been for about 3 months, so longer than most things!
Michen
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Am such a fan of feeding straights but so hard with him. Though now he’s not hunting I could potentially force him into it!
Meredith
riding reluctantly into the sunset
I know this is a diversion and I am not experienced enough to comment on Boggle’s canter but looking at the ingredients of Equerry could you try grass nuts or grass chaff, speedibeet, micronised linseed and a min/ vit supplement of your choice. I don’t know if that is a gut friendly diet but it would eliminate all the fillers in the Equerry.
palo1
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Grass nuts with oats and linseed could be an option too! 
Simple and easy to 'play' with lol!! But diet may not be significant of course.
Simple and easy to 'play' with lol!! But diet may not be significant of course.gunnergundog
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Firstly, I have to say that I think that Bog has come on developmentally in leaps and bounds from when you first got him.
However, his conformation is always going to make things difficult for him. He is long in the back and does not step under or really take any weight behind. To my eye, his front is disproportionately over developed vis a vis his hind end. Even with his rider A on top he is inclined to raise his head, drop his back and propel himself from the front with the rear trailing on behind. He does not lift through the wither and his musculature behind is a bit of a give away.
Yes, there may be a niggle somewhere but I think that if you can address his posture and teach him to carry himself more correctly you will be able to address and manage whatever the vets may discover.
He has plenty of pop and is therefore able to get away with using his body sub-optimally. I know that dressage is not your first love (mine neither!), but consider doing some in-hand work perhaps to help him with his physical deportment!!
Did you ever have that lesson with Pammy Hutton that you posted about? She is normally pretty damned cute at picking up on physical weaknesses and addressing them. If you got on okay with her, once the vets have done their bit, it may be worth popping back over to her again.
However, his conformation is always going to make things difficult for him. He is long in the back and does not step under or really take any weight behind. To my eye, his front is disproportionately over developed vis a vis his hind end. Even with his rider A on top he is inclined to raise his head, drop his back and propel himself from the front with the rear trailing on behind. He does not lift through the wither and his musculature behind is a bit of a give away.
Yes, there may be a niggle somewhere but I think that if you can address his posture and teach him to carry himself more correctly you will be able to address and manage whatever the vets may discover.
He has plenty of pop and is therefore able to get away with using his body sub-optimally. I know that dressage is not your first love (mine neither!), but consider doing some in-hand work perhaps to help him with his physical deportment!!
Did you ever have that lesson with Pammy Hutton that you posted about? She is normally pretty damned cute at picking up on physical weaknesses and addressing them. If you got on okay with her, once the vets have done their bit, it may be worth popping back over to her again.
anyalouise
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what a lovely horse. He reminds me of a horse I owned a long time ago. To me it looks like it could be a problem in his hocks. I'm sure the vet work up and flexions will pinpoint the problem or not. I would also be going down this route before anything else. Worth getting it sorted and then you will know. Keep us updated.
Michen
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Hey all, will reply properly later to you but..
Be positive’s Hampshire equivalent came out today the minute I messaged to say I had an issue. She taught me to ride and is a proper no nonsense old school horsewoman with a superb eye for everything... and we use the same vet! We lunged hard and soft, flexioned and and generally had a good feel. Filmed his hoof landing. There was no obvious lameness including post flexion but with the caveat of she's not a vet- just a knowledgeable horse woman so will still get him worked up.
She did find him sore in his poll, and interestingly his left shoulder (and he reacted to it). Her overall feeling was a very fit, "well" horse who for something like jumping needed consistent, gymnastic work to keep him correct and that what maybe started off as a weakness or a niggle has esculated into a default through lack of correction and haphazard training. Her thoughts are a vet check (I've emailed videos to my vet in the first instance), but if there's nothing glaringly obvious that he can see, to see if it can be corrected through training, physio, strengthening before going down any sort of intense diagnostics.
Be positive’s Hampshire equivalent came out today the minute I messaged to say I had an issue. She taught me to ride and is a proper no nonsense old school horsewoman with a superb eye for everything... and we use the same vet! We lunged hard and soft, flexioned and and generally had a good feel. Filmed his hoof landing. There was no obvious lameness including post flexion but with the caveat of she's not a vet- just a knowledgeable horse woman so will still get him worked up.
She did find him sore in his poll, and interestingly his left shoulder (and he reacted to it). Her overall feeling was a very fit, "well" horse who for something like jumping needed consistent, gymnastic work to keep him correct and that what maybe started off as a weakness or a niggle has esculated into a default through lack of correction and haphazard training. Her thoughts are a vet check (I've emailed videos to my vet in the first instance), but if there's nothing glaringly obvious that he can see, to see if it can be corrected through training, physio, strengthening before going down any sort of intense diagnostics.
Michen
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Firstly, I have to say that I think that Bog has come on developmentally in leaps and bounds from when you first got him.
However, his conformation is always going to make things difficult for him. He is long in the back and does not step under or really take any weight behind. To my eye, his front is disproportionately over developed vis a vis his hind end. Even with his rider A on top he is inclined to raise his head, drop his back and propel himself from the front with the rear trailing on behind. He does not lift through the wither and his musculature behind is a bit of a give away.
Yes, there may be a niggle somewhere but I think that if you can address his posture and teach him to carry himself more correctly you will be able to address and manage whatever the vets may discover.
He has plenty of pop and is therefore able to get away with using his body sub-optimally. I know that dressage is not your first love (mine neither!), but consider doing some in-hand work perhaps to help him with his physical deportment!!
Did you ever have that lesson with Pammy Hutton that you posted about? She is normally pretty damned cute at picking up on physical weaknesses and addressing them. If you got on okay with her, once the vets have done their bit, it may be worth popping back over to her again.
This sounds about right! But also disappointing as he is so much better than he was since doing regular (well, 2 sessions a week) schooling with his sharer. I never had the lesson with her in the end, I can't even remember why but I sold it a few days before (maybe I had a better offer
) but I'd be totally up for taking him to her!I do have an equicore purchased at great expense but lost faith with it because I didn't really understand how to properly use it. If anyone knows a Hants/Berks physio who can show me (mine doesn't use them) I would love to know.
Michen
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This is a nothing sort of video but also a bit of a “moment”. Lolloped Boggle a few times over a cross pole for the first time in a year since we found his ligament injury. No disuniting. Obviously it could appear as he starts jumping properly again but for now I am super chuffed ?
DressageCob
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That's one heck of a pop Michen! He looks great. It's a "tear to the eye" sort of moment, isn't it?
Hannahgb
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So happy for you!
ycbm
Overwhelmed
Great news M