Hooray a positive at last! aka - I love my Pelham and I'm not afraid to admit it

harriettb said:
And you would call that training? Oh how i wish they could talk. Remind me never to send a horse your way for 'training' then...forgot what legs and seats are for have we?
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No, actually: if you don't have a seat or legs then you won't be able to ride - nor will you if you don't know how to use the reins - this is what horsemanship is, after 2,000 years of association - some do it well; some not.
 
JudeToo said:
If you can't ride your horse without finding a way that doesn't hurt him, then I would most cordially suggest you give up riding..........
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Well said Jude, I'm fed up hearing this crap time and time again. Train the brain and keep gadgets away from horses, they don't need them !!!!

Gadgets = incompetence !!!!
 
Cortez said:
No, actually: if you don't have a seat or legs then you won't be able to ride - nor will you if you don't know how to use the reins - this is what horsemanship is, after 2,000 years of association - some do it well; some not.
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As i just said mine work with no tack what so ever, so what have reins got to do with it? Take that junk out of your horses mouth and let's see how well trained it is then? Hmmmm thought not. Yes, you are right, horsemanship, some do it well, some not ;)
 
Oh dear! Didn't think this thread would start an arguement!

My horse seemed happier in the pelham as soon as I started walking and then trotting down the road - even without me having to exert any pressure. When I bought him he had a lot of problems with dental work that had been ignored. From what others had said when they had seen him ridden in the snaffle - the nutcracker action of it was causing him discomfort but with the pelham exerting pressure on the bars of his mouth instead he was totally relaxed.
 
harriettb said:
Really? and you need a pelham for this? mine ride without any tack what so ever, schooling lateral work and courses of jumps. That is training and correct schooling!
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No I have four horses all work in snaffles and cavessons a couple of the older ones can work happily in doubles but rarely do.
 
Lost Claus said:
Oh dear! Didn't think this thread would start an arguement!

My horse seemed happier in the pelham as soon as I started walking and then trotting down the road - even without me having to exert any pressure. When I bought him he had a lot of problems with dental work that had been ignored. From what others had said when they had seen him ridden in the snaffle - the nutcracker action of it was causing him discomfort but with the pelham exerting pressure on the bars of his mouth instead he was totally relaxed.
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Snaffles can be uncomfortable for some horses .
 
Goldenstar said:
No I have four horses all work in snaffles and cavessons a couple of the older ones can work happily in doubles but rarely do.
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So remove the tack. If they are trained well, they wont need it- what are you scared of?

Happier? How can a horse ever be happier with yet more tack on? Happy, or just doing because he dare not argue? That is the difference so many owners fail to see. Oh its not kicking off it MUST be happy. :( sad times.
 
harriettb said:
As i just said mine work with no tack what so ever, so what have reins got to do with it? Take that junk out of your horses mouth and let's see how well trained it is then? Hmmmm thought not. Yes, you are right, horsemanship, some do it well, some not ;)
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Oh you are just generally anti Bitting. I see .
 
I don't think it was you that upset everyone , it was me. Thank God for Cortez. My horse is not in pain in his pelham but in his snaffle, which I normally ride in, he puts his head down and tanks, I can use my legs and seat to my hearts content, thank you. I bet you I have been riding a lot longer than you have, even if you can ride bareback with no tack. Whoops to you for that! I don't hurt him, he never has a sore mouth, throws his head or puts his ears back but is a nice, light responsive ride.
 
Cortez said:
Well, you are assuming that hauling away on a "nice" and "kind" snaffle bit is preferable to using the curb action which many horses (especially cobs and other "heavy on the front end" types) respond to better?
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Hauling on a horses mouth in any type of bit is never an option ! No matter what type of horses it is be it a Tb or a Shire they are not "naturally heavy on the front end" by that I assume you to mean on the forehand? That is just poor horsemanship and bad riding !!
 
harriettb said:
So remove the tack. If they are trained well, they wont need it- what are you scared of?

Happier? How can a horse ever be happier with yet more tack on? Happy, or just doing because he dare not argue? That is the difference so many owners fail to see. Oh its not kicking off it MUST be happy. :( sad times.
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Oh go boil your head sanctimonious in the extreme .
 
Well, actually, most of mine will do liberty work when required (we work in the film industry), but will work in snaffle, double or curb bridles as called for. The equipment is not important: a well-trained horse will respond no matter what.
 
Clodagh said:
I don't think it was you that upset everyone , it was me. Thank God for Cortez. My horse is not in pain in his pelham but in his snaffle, which I normally ride in, he puts his head down and tanks, I can use my legs and seat to my hearts content, thank you. I bet you I have been riding a lot longer than you have, even if you can ride bareback with no tack. Whoops to you for that! I don't hurt him, he never has a sore mouth, throws his head or puts his ears back but is a nice, light responsive ride.
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Bet you haven't been riding longer than me then ! I have had several ex track TB's that I have reschooled 2 were on the point of going for meat, they ended up either in a very light snaffle or in one case a hackamore and he would listen to voice commands, never forget that your voice is one of the most powerful aids that you possess, communicate with your horse and form a partnership, don't try to dominate him, you will enjoy it more in the long run....oh and in case you think you may have been riding longer than me I have ridden for 50 years plus now :-)
 
I have seen lots if pictures of top riders. Eventers and such. Riding in Pelhams and roundings. How do you justify top dressage riders in their doubles being incompetent and over bitting?
 
Poor Lost Claus, she posts a happy thread about finding something that works for her and her horse and it descends into a slanging match!!
I'm glad you found a bit that works and gives you confidence Lost Claus. You know your horse, if you're both happy then go for it!
 
I fail to see why bits have to be seen as 'dominating'. Pelhams can be one of the gentlest bits, as with no curb in action.. essentially is a just a snaffle anyway. Especially straight bars.

I school my lad in a double sometimes if we've got showing classes coming up [Well, ok previously tbf...he's out of place in a show class now!]....yet, I'll ride him with a rope round his neck or even nothing at all either? I must be a walking riding hypocrite... ;)

Saying for all people remove tack to ride, is ludicrous. I can hardly see WFP going round Badminton 'au natural'...

It's how you ride and train them. Not what's on them [or not on them as the argument may be at the moment!].
 
JingleBell Django said:
Poor Lost Claus, she posts a happy thread about finding something that works for her and her horse and it descends into a slanging match!!
I'm glad you found a bit that works and gives you confidence Lost Claus. You know your horse, if you're both happy then go for it!
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Thanks ;) and I'm finding it rather amusing btw

I love my Pelham so much I might actually marry it :)
 
OP....glad you have found something that works well for you and pony.

Harriet and Jude...wind your necks in. Horses are more than capable of showing they are unhappy and for one to go so much better shows that it is more comfortable. Stop your preaching and realise that you are in the real world.
 
BentleyBelly said:
OP....glad you have found something that works well for you and pony.

Harriet and Jude...wind your necks in. Horses are more than capable of showing they are unhappy and for one to go so much better shows that it is more comfortable. Stop your preaching and realise that you are in the real world.
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The voice of reason:cool:
 
BentleyBelly said:
OP....glad you have found something that works well for you and pony.

Harriet and Jude...wind your necks in. Horses are more than capable of showing they are unhappy and for one to go so much better shows that it is more comfortable. Stop your preaching and realise that you are in the real world.
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Do you honestly think it is correct and proper to say that you would rather the horses mouth hurt rather than the riders arms, I have so many different bits that I have collected over the years but have never sought to ride in one that would hurt my horses mouth to save my arms? I currently ride my cob in a KK Training Bit and my new horse an ex racer is currently being re-mouthed because despite being backed for racing at 2yrs old he has no mouth whatsoever so will be started in a simple snaffle possibly sweet iron, but to openly admit that you would hurt the noble animal you are riding for your own comfort I think is despicable !
 
JudeToo said:
Do you honestly think it is correct and proper to say that you would rather the horses mouth hurt rather than the riders arms, I have so many different bits that I have collected over the years but have never sought to ride in one that would hurt my horses mouth to save my arms? I currently ride my cob in a KK Training Bit and my new horse an ex racer is currently being re-mouthed because despite being backed for racing at 2yrs old he has no mouth whatsoever so will be started in a simple snaffle possibly sweet iron, but to openly admit that you would hurt the noble animal you are riding for your own comfort I think is despicable !
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I think the poster may have been being ironic .
 
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