Horse being left unchecked in stable

[Anon1357]

What do they do in the 3 hours they are there each day ?

It’s not 3 hours everyday, a lot of the time it’s around an hour, she mucks out changes water and puts up hay. Some days she will stay for the 3 hours and the horse may get turned out for an hour and then put back in the stable

 

[AmyMay]

Well, not much more to say really. Just for you to update when WHW have been. Presumably you’ve called them….

 

[Anon1357]

Well, not much more to say really. Just for you to update when WHW have been. Presumably you’ve called them….

Not yet waiting to catch the YO. The horse is getting hay and water done in the morning by us

 

[babymare]

This really does need reporting. My experience working with rescue sanctuary you liveries may have to stop haying and watering. Please don’t shout me down folks(I have done the same has OP few years when horse was left at weekends but not to this extreme) but whilst being hayed and watered by others it will be seen horses needs are being met, though not turn out issue of course. Both the YM and owner need a wake up call from someone of authority. But OP you are looking out for poor horse

 

[smolmaus]

This really does need reporting. My experience working with rescue sanctuary you liveries may have to stop haying and watering. Please don’t shout me down folks(I have done the same has OP few years when horse was left at weekends but not to this extreme) but whilst being hayed and watered by others it will be seen horses needs are being met, though not turn out issue of course. Both the YM and owner need a wake up call from someone of authority. But OP you are looking out for poor horse

I have had similar experience. If you absolutely have to give feed and water, take photos of the horse without, and another photo of what you personally have left with dates and times. Video is possibly better for that. You can provide that info to welfare officer if they inspect and the horse appears cared for but you have to make sure that they WILL receive that information. If you're going to feed/ water, the person doing it should be the only person doing so and they should also be WO point of contact.

I personally don't see a welfare inspection coming to much in this situation but a visit might be enough to get the YM/ YO off their backsides.

 

[AmyMay]

Not yet waiting to catch the YO. The horse is getting hay and water done in the morning by us

Can’t you just go and see the YO?

 

[Anon1357]

Can’t you just go and see the YO?

I work full time and my job is on the road so the yo isn’t always in when I am at the yard in the evening and I don’t think he’d appreciate me banging on the door at 6am when I do mine in the morning

 

[Anon1357]

I have had similar experience. If you absolutely have to give feed and water, take photos of the horse without, and another photo of what you personally have left with dates and times. Video is possibly better for that. You can provide that info to welfare officer if they inspect and the horse appears cared for but you have to make sure that they WILL receive that information. If you're going to feed/ water, the person doing it should be the only person doing so and they should also be WO point of contact.

I personally don't see a welfare inspection coming to much in this situation but a visit might be enough to get the YM/ YO off their backsides.

That’s great advice thank you, will make sure we take photos etc going forward

 

[AmyMay]

I work full time and my job is on the road so the yo isn’t always in when I am at the yard in the evening and I don’t think he’d appreciate me banging on the door at 6am when I do mine in the morning

Do they have a phone?

 

[Anon1357]

Do they have a phone?

I’d rather speak to them about this face to face so it can’t be fobbed off. Not sure why I’m on trial here

 

[AmyMay]

I’d rather speak to them about this face to face so it can’t be fobbed off. Not sure why I’m on trial here

You’re not. You started the thread about your concerns. I’m just surprised that the YO hasn’t been spoken too. It’s the second thing you do after speaking to the YM.

 

[dorsetladette]

YO isn’t horsey, yard separate to horse but on the same land, we hardly see him on the yard. His wife used to keep horses but she hasn’t owned any for 15 ish years. I have a good relationship with the YO as I’ve been on the yard long before the YM moved in.

Then that's your in road. Go and have a frank chat with him and his wife. I doubt wife would be happy knowing that there is a horse sat in her stables for 20hrs plus with no hay or feed.

 

[Pinkvboots]

I've managed yards with liveries like this they get told its not acceptable and are given one chance to sort it out and if nothing changes I give them notice, I hope you manage to get through to the YO about this it's not acceptable and it actually makes it a miserable place for other liveries having to see it everyday.

Thats the issue I have I just can't put up with it on a daily basis it's just horrible.

 

[HollyWoozle]

Well done for trying your best for this poor horse and for tackling the owner. I would definitely report it to WHW - I have reported horses to them twice before and they were very responsive and helpful. The situations were very different to this but in my experience they do care and do take reports seriously. It would be good to at least notify them so it's recorded now.

 

[scats]

That is so nice. He landed on his feet with you by the sounds of it.

He went on to be one of the best ponies I ever had. We had so much fun together over the 7 years he was with me- showing, showjumping, farm rides, hunt rides, beach trips…
He was very special. I have his name tattooed on my hip

 

[Cinnamontoast]

A friend of mine in Bedfordshire kicked a livery off her yard (she bought recently) for this same behaviour. I had a thread on here but it was a bit too revealing! She too had form for it and provided fake references and a fake strangles test, god knows how. Horse was also OTT. I just cannot comprehend why people think this is ok. My yo put in place a rule saying horses had to be seen to by a certain time in the morning.

 

[atropa]

Sorry but the owner's attitude is frankly disgusting, heavily pregnant or not. I couldn't cope with the guilt of keeping a horse like that, it's awful enough when they're on boxrest!

 

[Lois Lame]

Personally Id leave a note stuck to her stable door, can be anonymous stating youre not meaning to offend but that you are concerned about the horse being left and that you are all more than happy to give the horse a haynet if she leaves one outside or could she give the horse a second net? Or ask her why it cant go out? See if that works? Otherwise Id simply talk to her and say lots of you are concerned.

Or, when you next see the owner, mention that you're willing to pop the horse out in the mornings. "He's eaten all his hay by morning," you might add before the owner answers you. "And I don't mind popping him out." And before she declines, add "he looks so depressed during the day, in on his own."

 

[conniegirl]

Well I suppose some yards don't even insist on a strangles test before letting a new horse in. Biosecurity is so important and I have no idea why its not a yard policy. Its how flu is spread so easily. Horses being bought with false passports or no passports saying they have been vaccinated and they havent. Its shocking that YO aren't protecting the horses already on the yard. There is a well known dealer near us gets them in one day the next day they are up for sale. No quarantine done its just a quick turn around. To turn a blind eye to biosecurity is just irresponsible.

Its a risk reduce thats how it works. The more that are tested and treated the risk is reduced.

Unless you are quarantining and testing every horse that comes onto the yard even if it has only been to a show and come back (particularly over night shows) then strangles testing is just an exercise in spending money.
you are just as likely if not more likely to pick up strangles at a show as you are from a horse coming from another yard.

 

[Anon1357]

Update

YO came down and spoke with the livery Wednesday and she came and checked on the horse twice today (am and pm). I wasn’t privy to the conversation between them but we’ll give them a chance but keep an eye on things.

 

[AmyMay]

Great result xx

 

[Pearlsasinger]

A BHS welfare person can discuss correct care with the owner, they don't go in with all guns blazing. They want to see the horse being looked after correctly, yet they have a bit more authority than a fellow livery.

They have no authority at all.

ETA, at least the update sounds promising,OP.