Horse Communicator

Naturally said:
But you're not, are you? I and another user have already provided you with examples of the communicator finding out something really specific about that animal which has a probability of being guessed that is really, really low, and you still think they were either lucky guesses or found out about in the pub :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, a healthy level of cynicism is a great protector up to a point. However, I think that if doubt vs believing was a scale with full on non-belief as 10, pure blind belief a 1, and an open mind at 5, you'd be a 9, which is making it very difficult to want to work with you - If I were to do a communiction with your horse, it is entirely possible that I make a successful connection but you still wouldn't believe me. :(

I know you're likely to turn that around and say it proves your point, but it seems i'm dammed if I do, dammed if I don't. :rolleyes:

I didn't charge for a long time, doing it to help others, for experience, for pleasure. Now I ask for my fee only if the first few pieces of information I convey to an owner is considered to be accurate for that horse and the owner is happy that a communication has taken place (and usually the rest that follows also confirms this). This is a reasonably common practice, designed to help protect ACers from reputation damage, and customers from being ripped off, so HG perhaps the best way is for you to contact someone who does this but doesn't know who you are on facebook or HHO - that way you are also reducing the likelihood of them researching you that way. In fact, you could go a step further and approach someone with a picture you have never published, and not tell them your and your horse's real names from newly set up email account. :)
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Yes I am willing to believe it but not based on other people saying the info they were given was correct. As I have stated people will make the info fit when they want to believe. It is simple if you can contact my horse and tell me something then I am more than happy to pay for a reading. BTW you said pub, I didn't are you seriously expecting me to believe that she didn't mention her problems and splitting with her husband to anyone else but her horse?

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend re: a human medium. The friend's husband and the medium's husbands worked together and my friend went with another friend for a reading. My friend told me the next day how strange it was that the medium "got" loads of info about her but very little about her friend. hmmmm strange...
 
The two people I approached about a reading - both were reccommended to me, both offer a full no quibble money back guarantee if the first few things they say to you don't prove it's your horse, if at this point you say no, then the 'reading finishes' and they give you a refund. Seems fair enough to me.
 
Horsegirl: what you care if a person chooses to spend £35 on an animal communicator - if you consider them so devoid of intelligence and so easily swayed by others than it would probably be safe to assume that these traits would be prevalent throughout their lives, so £35 is a drop in the ocean. (thats sarcasm by the way, just to be clear)

but you go ahead and try and save the open-minded from themselves! lol how honourable.
 
horsegirl said:
Yes I am willing to believe it but not based on other people saying the info they were given was correct. As I have stated people will make the info fit when they want to believe. It is simple if you can contact my horse and tell me something then I am more than happy to pay for a reading. BTW you said pub, I didn't are you seriously expecting me to believe that she didn't mention her problems and splitting with her husband to anyone else but her horse?

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend re: a human medium. The friend's husband and the medium's husbands worked together and my friend went with another friend for a reading. My friend told me the next day how strange it was that the medium "got" loads of info about her but very little about her friend. hmmmm strange...
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horsegirl....I didn't want to believe as I already said, I thought it was a load of rubbish. But I don't believe I can make comment on other peoples beliefs/ideas when I haven't tried something for myself, hence I found two recommended communicators who both offered a money back guarantee.

Yes there are charlatans out there, so better to go with someone who you or anyone you are closely associated with doesn't know, so it was more likely to be true/accurate.
 
Naturally said:
Rupert Sheldrake! Thats the name I was searching for. And somebody Scholes. Put R Sheldrake into Google scholar and many studies of telepathy in human to human and a few animal ones come up.
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I've just googled him and it's a bit of a minefield! What are the best studies/articles to read?

I am genuinely interested in this kind of thing, one of my best friends is a biomedical scientist and his pet interest is things like this and we spend ages talking about various similar things. But I simply don't believe it's possible. If humans can really - I mean really - communicate with animals in this way then it would be a global, world-changing discovery. But we live quite rightly in a world where science has replaced blind faith and wild imaginations, and there simply isn't enough scientific, reasoned study to show that this is a legitimate practise.
 
A animal commcation person is the same as a medium. As they see,hear and feel whats gone on with them etc. Every ac can have different gifts you can say. Some might be very strong other's can hear things but not feel whats gone on.

Here's the bad part from me and my boy, which the ac picked up on in very detail way. He had me off out hacking came home I lostd my temper with him and lunged him which I then again lostd my temper very badly and showd it to him which resultd him taking off trying to jump the fence didnt make it so crashd though it and him shakeing because of what I had done to him!!! Im ashamed that I'll did that to him I just complety lostd it and had enough of all the crap that he had done to me!!

When she said about crashing though the fence and him being hit I just wanted the ground to swallow me up as I was so ashamed on my behaved!! I shouldnt of lostd it with him. we all make mistakes this was many years ago and now I understand him much more now. So I always say there is a reason behide why a horse does something!!


O no one else was at the yard when this happeren and I didnt tell anyone either so she couldnt of find out that way.
 
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Serephin said:
Horsegirl: what you care if a person chooses to spend £35 on an animal communicator - if you consider them so devoid of intelligence and so easily swayed by others than it would probably be safe to assume that these traits would be prevalent throughout their lives, so £35 is a drop in the ocean. (thats sarcasm by the way, just to be clear)

but you go ahead and try and save the open-minded from themselves! lol how honourable.
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Because I don't like to see people being conned especially if it is not benefitting me (that's a joke). OK so I am wrong to be concerned about people being ripped off? If only I could be as uncaring. There are a lot of easy targets out there for charlatons and con men and I don't like to see people being taken advantage of. Presumably if they charged you £35 in the supermarket and told you the food was invisible but would appear when you get home you would be happy to pay?

So to recap no one is prepared to take me up on my challenge? It would be so simple to prove me wrong rather than calling me names and telling me which threads I am allowed to reply to!
 
Dobby said:
I've just googled him and it's a bit of a minefield! What are the best studies/articles to read?

I am genuinely interested in this kind of thing, one of my best friends is a biomedical scientist and his pet interest is things like this and we spend ages talking about various similar things. But I simply don't believe it's possible. If humans can really - I mean really - communicate with animals in this way then it would be a global, world-changing discovery. But we live quite rightly in a world where science has replaced blind faith and wild imaginations, and there simply isn't enough scientific, reasoned study to show that this is a legitimate practise.
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Show me how to do a scientific reasoned study on something which is so difficult to measure. ;) I must admit I need to dig out the paper copy I have as I couldn't find the ones I am thinking of when I have a quick search a minute ago :o

The intersting thing is this ISN'T going to be a global, world-changing discovery - because there are shamans and buddists who have been practicing this for years so many years, people who are intuitive with animals and just don't realise it, people who train or were born naturally aware of their skills who are quietly getting on with it etc etc etc.

Science has a heck of a lot of good it can claim as its benefits.. but its also got its drawbacks. It is my belief that as science advances so will the scientific proof of all these aincient therapies and energies become more and more solid. Remember, its still relatively recent history in the grand scheme of things that Radio and TV came about. Heck, even electricity! if you and I were alive and discussing this 100 years ago, the prospect of us being able to write letters that would reach each other instantly and that 1000s of others could view would be considered madness! Yet here we are on HHO, and even if we don't understand it we know that somewhere there is a detailed and proven explaination as to why this works. Think about it like that and it seems really really silly to totally dismiss something which science has yet to uncover the means to conclusively prove or disprove.

Thing is, for me anyway, I don't really care if there is a scientifically valid explaination for the internet and HHO - I experience it and therefore I know it works, I don't need to know how. Same with animal communication - although i must admit scientifically valid and conclusive papers would make this conversation soooo much easier for me ;)
 
horsegirl said:
So to recap no one is prepared to take me up on my challenge? It would be so simple to prove me wrong rather than calling me names and telling me which threads I am allowed to reply to!
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Just to clarify: I am not calling you names or telling you what you can reply. I personally am not taking you up on it because a) I think you'd say I was getting the information from elsewhere and b) I have no desire to work with someone so rude. ;) I also still think you are closed minded.

Navgem said they researched and found two animal communicators who work along the lines of not paying if you're not convinced - why haven't you asked them for the details of these two, or researched your own AC who will do the same? I could recommend a few but frankly they are all personal friends and I wouldn't wish a client with the attitude you are displaying on any of them :rolleyes:
 
Naturally I am new to the forum noone on here knows anything about me or my horse/s would you be able to tell me something about her or him?
 
horsegirl said:
Because I don't like to see people being conned especially if it is not benefitting me (that's a joke). OK so I am wrong to be concerned about people being ripped off? If only I could be as uncaring. There are a lot of easy targets out there for charlatons and con men and I don't like to see people being taken advantage of. Presumably if they charged you £35 in the supermarket and told you the food was invisible but would appear when you get home you would be happy to pay?

So to recap no one is prepared to take me up on my challenge? It would be so simple to prove me wrong rather than calling me names and telling me which threads I am allowed to reply to!
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Why dont you find your own AC and do your own research on it, take up your own challenge as it were and let us all know how you get on?
 
Goldenmint, as long as you're not an existing user in disguise, yes, we can have a go if you like :) i'm a bit busy this week, but in the next couple of weeks certainly.

If you PM me your email address I can send the forms over.
 
No i'm not :) I was hoping you might like to do it out in the open so people could see. That way it might show people that is something to be considered, but if you would rather not I will still pm you as I think it would be interesting. Thanks :)
 
goldenmint said:
No i'm not :) I was hoping you might like to do it out in the open so people could see. That way it might show people that is something to be considered, but if you would rather not I will still pm you as I think it would be interesting. Thanks :)
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I hope you not trying to pull a fast over a ac. I think she would know anyway. You really want your first one all open for others to see you must be mad!! Or you had a 100% perfect life. i know for sure I wouldnt put my first one on a open forum it was way too personaly etc.

If you trying it bewarwe that things backfire on you too.
I really do not like people who try and take the p out of something that is so benerfit sp?? to horse and people.

For other's who say they want it done and done the reaseach follow it though then. It's a thing called your gut's feeling that you should really go by!!
 
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An interesting example of human telepathy from my own family - my grandmother and her sister took their father to hospital for an afternoon of routine tests, and they decided to go to the cinema while they waited for him. Half way through the film one turned to the other and said "Father's dead!" and they both rushed out and back to the hospital. And they were right - he had indeed collapsed and died.

Explain that!
 
I'm sure everyone has faced problems and things in their horsey lives that could have been handled differently, I have no problem sharing it with other users. If Naturally can come up with things only I know, and as I said none on here knows me then that would benifit everyone surely by proving that there is truth in AC's?

Sorry post was to Bojangles
 
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goldenmint said:
I'm sure everyone has faced problems and things in their horsey lives that could have been handled differently, I have no problem sharing it with other users. If Naturally can come up with things only I know, and as I said none on here knows me then that would benifit everyone surely by proving that there is truth in AC's?

Sorry post was to Bojangles
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So you are out to be proved then??? Humm!!!! Normally people would want help and by the way of your message doesnt sound you want help imo.

You saying you don't have any problem shareing it with others?? Do you realsie what is done during a pick up?? I don't think you do as otrherwise you wouldnt be saying you put it on here for others to read it!!!! If you had a bad abuse sp?? life etc you willing to put that up all in extcacy sp?? word to word??

Also it's not just the present or pastd that is picked up on it's also the furtue.

Life is about making mistakes so yes you will handle things different afterwards. I always learn something new most days.
 
I read to page 7 and i can just imagine how much longer this thread is going to run for.

I have to say, I think it's pretty low when people resort to sarcastic remarks to one another rather than sensible debate.

As for animal readings and whatever, like Chermar said, it's only £35 for crying out loud!! who cares if it works or it doesn't?!

life is full of scams and rather dubious reality - look at the beauty industry FGS. I highly doubt that a cream that costs £350 per pot is going to be 100 times better than bog standard moisturiser but people are prepared to pay for it. so let them!

Those who are getting readings, I'd be interested to hear the outcome.

I am, BTW, a total sceptic, I just like hearing the joy people get from these readings. Live and let live eh?
 
i'm not sure i believe 99% of 'communicators' are genuine... however, i do believe there are 'other/unknown' things going on around us. whether 'communicators' can tap into this... hmmm... the jury is still out for me...

the day raff broke his leg, i was having a perfectly normal, nice day. my husband was die home from work any minute and i was flitting about, looking forward to seeing him... suddenly, and i mean suddenly, i felt utterly awful. and felt like i had the worst PMT ever. i wanted to scream, cry and shout. it was instantaneous. my OH came home, couldn't work out why i couldn't speak to him. i literally threw dinner on the table and had to leave the room because i couldn't work out what was wrong with me. i left him and the kids eating dinner whilst i went to sweep the hallway... (unheard of)...

then i had 'the' knock at the door to tell me raff had broken his leg. i do, somewhere in my cynical heart, think that my mood altered so completely at the same time as raff broke his leg.

eta: there will always be believers and disbelievers... live and let live like Maletto says. who cares? as long as people get comfort from it, and no one is hurt...
 
Its good to debate and question and not just accept what you read. Or at least thats the way I see life. There is nothing wrong in people have different opinions, isnt that what a forum is for?

£35 is quite a lot of money and I take it for that people are registering as businesses, like the ebay check on people that has been happening LOL!
 
Bojangles said:
I hope you not trying to pull a fast over a ac. I think she would know anyway. You really want your first one all open for others to see you must be mad!! Or you had a 100% perfect life. i know for sure I wouldnt put my first one on a open forum it was way too personaly etc.
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Yes well Bojangles not all of us beat our horses so badly they try to jump over the school fence...
 
Kaylum said:
Its good to debate and question and not just accept what you read. Or at least thats the way I see life. There is nothing wrong in people have different opinions, isnt that what a forum is for?

£35 is quite a lot of money and I take it for that people are registering as businesses, like the ebay check on people that has been happening LOL!
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I agree - but sarcasm is not debate
 
Maletto said:
I agree - but sarcasm is not debate
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No and its not on both sides of this debate. Questioning if someone is registering as a business is a valid question. You are offering a service and charging for it. What happens if someone does not believe you and wants their money back how does that work. Do you need insurance for that sort of business? Just interested from a business point of view.
 
Kaylum said:
No and its not on both sides of this debate. Questioning if someone is registering as a business is a valid question. You are offering a service and charging for it. What happens if someone does not believe you and wants their money back how does that work. Do you need insurance for that sort of business? Just interested from a business point of view.
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Yes it is advisable to be insured, as with anything. Yes, those who charge should declare their earnings to the tax man.

Depending on the individual ACer's system, most will tell the client something specific they have received which should prove that there is communication having taken place. If the client isn't satisfied at that point then the communication doesn't go ahead, no more information is given and no charge is made.
 
horsegirl said:
Because I don't like to see people being conned especially if it is not benefitting me (that's a joke). OK so I am wrong to be concerned about people being ripped off? If only I could be as uncaring. There are a lot of easy targets out there for charlatons and con men and I don't like to see people being taken advantage of. Presumably if they charged you £35 in the supermarket and told you the food was invisible but would appear when you get home you would be happy to pay?
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Thats very noble of you - but I would suggest that allowing people to make their own judgment is far more healthy.

And as for the supermarket comment not sure that is a very fitting analogy really. lol
 
Dobby said:
Yes well Bojangles not all of us beat our horses so badly they try to jump over the school fence...
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I hold my hands up to what I done to him. This was nearly 9 years ago we both have changed loads!! Atleast I tell the truth and dont have a problem saying the mistakes I have done with him!!!!! Not many people will ameant to loseing their temper on their horse!!! I have seen plenty of people do so and not even show any remouce sp??

Also having been chunk off loads,boltd and having a big horse land on top of me all of this plus much more did cause a lot of losed confiendence in eachother!! I couldsnt take anymore hence the outrage!!
 
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