Horse Communicators

The ability to communicate with animals is only alien to us in the white west, it is something that is universally accepted by some cultures. Take for instance the native Americans, through their spiritual beliefs animals were revered and during religious ceremonies they received wisdom and guidance from spirit animals seen in trance like states.

But it wasn't just confined to religious ceremony and medicine men. If you read the literature like contemporary accounts of Indian life, before their civilisation was effectively crushed, there are many accounts of communication with animals. The great chief Sitting Bull credited a small yellow bird with saving his life. He recounted how out hunting one day he had grown tired and fell asleep against a tree. He awoke when prompted by a little yellow bird who told him not to move. Only meters away a big brown bear was on the prowl. Sitting Bull took the birds advice and didn't move, and lived to tell the tale. As was the custom he created a song in praise of the bird that he often sang, his way of honouring and thanking the bird. In their way of thinking, respecting the animals like this made the animals more open to talking with them and helping them.

Seeing ourselves as 'above' nature and animals and now living lives so far removed from nature, it is little wonder that this ability has been largely lost by our 'superior' western selves.
 
Irish gal said:
The ability to communicate with animals is only alien to us in the white west, it is something that is universally accepted by some cultures. Take for instance the native Americans, through their spiritual beliefs animals were revered and during religious ceremonies they received wisdom and guidance from spirit animals seen in trance like states.

But it wasn't just confined to religious ceremony and medicine men. If you read the literature like contemporary accounts of Indian life, before their civilisation was effectively crushed, there are many accounts of communication with animals. The great chief Sitting Bull credited a small yellow bird with saving his life. He recounted how out hunting one day he had grown tired and fell asleep against a tree. He awoke when prompted by a little yellow bird who told him not to move. Only meters away a big brown bear was on the prowl. Sitting Bull took the birds adhvice and didn't move, and lived to tell the tale. As was the custom he created a song in praise of the bird that he often sang, his way of honouring and thanking the bird. In their way of thinking, respecting the animals like this made the animals more open to talking with them and helping them.

Seeing ourselves as 'above' nature and animals and now living lives so far removed from nature, it is little wonder that this ability has been largely lost by our 'superior' western selves.
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Well said, I'm sure, however that there are those who would ridicule this too, I just think that their lives are poorer as a result of their belief systems. (Although they would probably deny that their view point is a belief system!)
 
A friend has Native American bloodlines and I fully believe all of her family stories. Another friend is able to see things others cant. I'm open to all really. So very excited about this
 
I definitely don't think that humans are above nature. Humans do some awful things and I sometimes think that the planet would be better off without us.

The listening to the bird isn't crazy IMO. I have pet birds in an aviary and also used to have chickens. You soon learn their warning calls and they have distinct 'predator from the ground' (normally because one of the cats walks by, so they all fly up high) and 'predator from the sky' calls. If I hear the birds chirping the 'from the sky' version (they go completely quiet and motionless once it's sounded) I always look to the sky and there is always a bird of prey close by. The sparrowhawk is given more time to leave before they dare to move again. I would argue that these different calls are a rudimentary language.
 
I was sceptical, even though I know an AC and in desperation asked her to "do" my horse. It was interesting but inconclusive, but the one that made me sit up and take notice was my missing cat.
I had been away for a few days and the dog sitter had let him out, but there was no-one to let him back in. When I came home he was missing and there was no sign of him for a good month. I asked this AC I know if she could help, and she was adamant he was alive, and that he was struggling to get over a wall made of old bricks. I went and called and called him in every nearby location where there were old brick buildings, hoping he would yell, but he didn't. However, within 10 minutes he was crossing next doors garden on the way home.
Coincidence? Bit of a long one.
 
For anybody who is interested in the Native American way of life and harmony with nature and animals, Black Elk Speaks is a wonderful book. It is the life story of a Lakota Sioux holy man born into the old way of life, who ended his days on a reservation. It was faithfully transcribed from him by a scholar of the West in the 1920s. It's absolutely beautiful. Here's a little taster.

"Once we were happy in our own country and we were seldom hungry, for then the two-leggeds and the four-leggeds lived together like relatives and there was plenty for them and plenty for us. But then the Wasichus (white man) came and they have made little islands for us and little islands for the four-leggeds, and always these islands are becoming smaller for around them surges the gnawing flood of the Wasichu and it is dirty with lies and with greed.

A long time ago my father told me what his father told him. That there was once a Lakota holy man named Drinks Water, who dreamed what was to be, and this was before the coming of the Wasichus. He dreamed that the four leggeds were going back into the earth and that a strange race had woven a spider's web all around the Lakotas*. And he said: 'When this happens you shall live in square grey houses, in a barren land, and beside those square grey houses you shall starve.' They say he went back to Mother Earth soon after he saw this vision and it was sorrow that killed him. You can look about you now and see that he meant these dirt-roofed houses we are living in and that all the rest was true. Sometimes dreams are wiser then waking.'

*the spider's web mentioned is interpreted as overhead cables that literally do cover the world like a spider's web.
 
Irish gal said:
For anybody who is interested in the Native American way of life and harmony with nature and animals, Black Elk Speaks is a wonderful book. It is the life story of a Lakota Sioux holy man born into the old way of life, who ended his days on a reservation. It was faithfully transcribed from him by a scholar of the West in the 1920s. It's absolutely beautiful. Here's a little taster.

"Once we were happy in our own country and we were seldom hungry, for then the two-leggeds and the four-leggeds lived together like relatives and there was plenty for them and plenty for us. But then the Wasichus (white man) came and they have made little islands for us and little islands for the four-leggeds, and always these islands are becoming smaller for around them surges the gnawing flood of the Wasichu and it is dirty with lies and with greed.

A long time ago my father told me what his father told him. That there was once a Lakota holy man named Drinks Water, who dreamed what was to be, and this was before the coming of the Wasichus. He dreamed that the four leggeds were going back into the earth and that a strange race had woven a spider's web all around the Lakotas*. And he said: 'When this happens you shall live in square grey houses, in a barren land, and beside those square grey houses you shall starve.' They say he went back to Mother Earth soon after he saw this vision and it was sorrow that killed him. You can look about you now and see that he meant these dirt-roofed houses we are living in and that all the rest was true. Sometimes dreams are wiser then waking.'

*the spider's web mentioned is interpreted as overhead cables that literally do cover the world like a spider's web.
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I wish I had a 'like' button......thank you for posting that.
 
JillA said:
I was sceptical, even though I know an AC and in desperation asked her to "do" my horse. It was interesting but inconclusive, but the one that made me sit up and take notice was my missing cat.
I had been away for a few days and the dog sitter had let him out, but there was no-one to let him back in. When I came home he was missing and there was no sign of him for a good month. I asked this AC I know if she could help, and she was adamant he was alive, and that he was struggling to get over a wall made of old bricks. I went and called and called him in every nearby location where there were old brick buildings, hoping he would yell, but he didn't. However, within 10 minutes he was crossing next doors garden on the way home.
Coincidence? Bit of a long one.
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Hmm, not sure it really is that extraordinary as coincidences go. And cats do sometimes disappear for long periods of time; that happened to a neighbour of a friend very recently where their cat went missing for three weeks but returned safe and sound apparently of its own accord.
 
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

To me, this means, that we all have our own thoughts on it but its good to have an open mind about everything.

Certainly, it doesn't feel right to be arrogant about our beliefs. A timely reminder as I am guilty of exactly this.
 
=peanut;12989789. People are too quick to dismiss things they don't understand.
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Equally, many people are too quick to accept something they don't understand. Healthy scepticism is ... healthy. If your chosen 'professional' is going to suspend the laws of physics during their visit to your equine, that's wonderful - and its also not true.

Some, in the gypsy style, can simply read horses because thats entirely their culture but they're not reading the horse's thoughts and they won't utter nonsense about cats (if anyone mentions a cat, they're playing you while you're paying them) - they just have a very good idea what's wrong or not, physically and mentally, with the equine in question, almost at a glance. No mystery there, its just experience and a cold hard eye for a horse.

Surely anyone who believes they can send off a picture and get an answer cannot be taken seriously.

Anyone who hasn't stopped to think and ask how a horse that cannot speak any kind of language can conveniently speak telepathically in English without the benefit of the cerebral construct necessary to think in any language, let alone speak .... should stop and think.

I would be surprised but not at all impressed if there really were any famous names or any serious yards that entertained this stuff. And if they don't, which they don't, why should you or I believe in it? What they do use are people who know every aspect of the equine from the yard hands and trainers to the jockeys/riders and, in particular the vets, farriers and labs.

Old American Indians and the natives of every culture everywhere understood their own local nature in detail. Being warned of a bear by a bird is one thing; telling it as an elaborate tale to children is another; believing the tale as an adult to be literally true is, to be kind, misunderstanding the message of the verbal tradition. Every local who lives off the land can read the signs on their patch. That's a tool for survival, not any kind of mystic juju.

Evidence please. No evidence...? I'm not surprised. On the other hand, there is evidence that Monty Roberts was a complete fraud, long since busted. Whispering, like Monty Roberts, is a fraud and should be busted.
 
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Quote from above "Old American Indians and the natives of every culture everywhere understood their own local nature in detail. Being warned of a bear by a bird is one thing; telling it as an elaborate tale to children is another; believing the tale as an adult to be literally true is, to be kind, misunderstanding the message of the verbal tradition. Every local who lives off the land can read the signs on their patch. That's a tool for survival, not any kind of mystic juju."

I'm afraid that by interpreting it even in the most narrow, old fashioned anthropological sense, as you seem to be, you are misinterpreting it. This was/is not a verbal tradition for the Lakota Sioux for instance, it is completely factual for them. Their Holy Men and Women did communicate with animals and nature and received concrete warnings about coming events through this medium.

If you would like to read the primary texts on this, ie the writings of their medicine people, and tribesmen, from the nineteenth century, then you would know this. Their last great leader Crazy Horse was very spiritually intune with this 'religion' of his people. As a youngster he saw a vision of his own death and life; that as his horse danced wildly (hence the name given to him) bullets from the enemy passed all around him but he was untouched. He saw that he would be killed not by the US military but by his own people (those who had betrayed the Lakota) which indeed is what happened. Believing it utterly he became absolutely terrifying to the enemy. For instance when fighting in snow he was known to stop within range and dismount to pick out his horses feet - as he knew he could not be killed. That sort of confidence was very frightening to the US troops sent to hunt him down, it's part of what made him a great leader.

The bit that we in western society today are missing is that to others, like the Lakota, a whole other reality exists that is beyond our scientific ken. Therefore we discount it as not actually existing, a major folly for us. To give you an example, the Lakota would get many warnings through dreams, as we do today. The difference is they would act on them, and move camp, knowing that an attack was imminent.

Prior to 9/11 there were significant numbers of people in the US who all dreamed that planes were falling from the sky, or worse, some of those on board dreamed their own deaths. But being rational, scientific westerners they naturally ingnored these warnings and suffered the consequences. Just google 'dreams of 9/11 before it happened' and see what comes up.

With all the advanced listening devices, the satellites, the GSHQs, and the CIA's programmes; if they had put a little faith in the 'stories', as you term them, of native peoples they might have been forewarned: as indeed they were - if only they were not so blinded by science that they were actually capable of listening. It's not their fault they couldn't, scientific fact has today assumed an almost greater dominance, and consequently blinding effect, of any religion that fore-ran it. It's great for lots of things, like medicine, but scientific evidence is not the be all and the end all though. And it's a rock that our society may well end up perishing on.
 
Irish gal said:
Prior to 9/11 there were significant numbers of people in the US who all dreamed that planes were falling from the sky, or worse, some of those on board dreamed their own deaths. But being rational, scientific westerners they naturally ingnored these warnings and suffered the consequences. Just google 'dreams of 9/11 before it happened' and see what comes up.
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Were any of these dreams reported prior to 9/11?
 
fburton said:
Were any of these dreams reported prior to 9/11?
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I've lost count of the number of crashing aeroplane dreams I have. Vivid and very intense - but I live just uphill of the inbound glide path to Manchester airport so even at night there are planes going past my bedroom window and I have no doubt that the sound is the trigger for my dreams.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Rapidash said:
All communicators use cold reading- that's why they talk to you as they examine the horse. They don't examine the horse and then give a report do they! That's because they need to cold read the owner.
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I am afraid that you are wrong there, they don't all. Not all ACs visit the animal, or talk to the owner, either on the phone or by email. I know of at least one who simply asks for a photo of the horse and either the owner's address/email - no further info. After the communication session, a written report is sent. And I should point out that not all of us share every detail of our lives on the internet.
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I've used two over the years - one visited my horse, never touched her, just held his hands over her, spoke to me a little about things that were nothing to do with the horse (including one thing which was so bizarre, he could never had guessed it but in fact he was quite right) then gave me his verdict regarding her health which turned out to be spot on as time went on. Interestingly my horse turned herself around half way through the session and he commented that she wanted him to do the other side. She could have turned away from the door if she just wanted to doze, but she didn't, just swapped sides. The other was done remotely by a lady in the US. I gave her my horse's rough location and nothing else. What she came back with was astonishingly accurate, particularly about my horse's character which was somewhat complex and kept quite hidden, even from me, for many years. This was years before Facebook or anything like that came about and I don't own a computer, even now.
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