Horse Cremation important information.

ILuvCowparsely

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This thread is not to start a personal choice debate or anything like that in personal choice of disposal of your horse (s).


Having my beloved Diamond cremated recently a few things did not sit right.
After 2 weeks of no phone call, I was concerned when I checked my bank statement and no cheque had come out.


  • No cheque had been cashed
  • Livery phoned company only to be told.

OH you need to speak to ****** call back and I wont answer phone he will answer.


Why *** could not pass the phone to him is beyond me.

So livery called back and *** answered phone eventually

MY friend is too upset to call so I am on her behalf, she wants to know when Diamond is coming home as she want's her home for christmas


Answer. When did we do it?

She is not an IT she has a name
Oh sorry
You have had her two weeks and she has heard nothing

not too sure of this part but next I remember

We will drop IT off wed or thursday

Its not an IT she has a name !!
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Fact:

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  • Truck stunk of decomposed body
  • Was muddy too though asked him to rinse it a bit and he did (not very well)
  • No phone call to say she was ready
  • rude person
  • Unsympathetic person on phone.
  • they did not tell me where they were taking her
  • They did not give me copy of form
  • they did not give e certificate to prove the ashes were hers
  • They did not run through the process with me


Phoned up a few more companies to use in the future, one of which suggested phoning up a guy called (name withheld).

He is the Director of pet cemetery and cremation in the country (I always do the best and seek out the best for my animals)

The Cremation company should:
  • Run through the whole procedure with you so you are fully aware of what will go on
  • Tell you what happens on collection once arrived and prior to cremation and after.
  • Ask you what type you want.
  • Get you to fill out a form of name address horses name and details of the horse in saying they have go ahead to remove so and so from this address to cremate on behalf of (owners name) This owner should have a copy and Cremation people too should hold their copy on file for two years.,
  • Ask you if you want to be there when it happens and sit in the waiting room

When they return the ashes:

Owner should get a certificate of authenticity saying they have returned the ashes of the horse ( horses name) to owner (owners name)

This was not done in my instance which is why I went to the top.

The company also should have run through everything with me and all clients.


Fact :
The directors

Have had another report about this company
Its being dealt with with trading standards
He is sending me details of everything we discussed about this case and the other.
And what should be done
he also told me of a few companies that were found to coning people.

there is one guy (locally) who he recommends HIGHLY , he has been to the site and seen it first hand.

This other company (I used)has no address where the cremation happens when you google it, just an address in the high street.


So my message to those who have to cremate in the future. Makes sure the company you use is reputable and has the license which checks the machinery and process.

Anyone wanting copies of info etc please pm me.

Paying and individual price you want your ashes back.


Also it is illegal to offer the communal service where they send you back some ashes of your horse.


its heartbreaking to find out this info, so I am hear to share with others so they use and go down the proper chanels:(:(:(:(:(
 
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It explains my experience first and what happened to me and what ( clients ) who want to use a cremation company need to know.
I explain my case and what I was told on the phone:rolleyes:
 
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Leviathan I remember your original post and am sorry that the final ending for your mares body has not what you had hoped for.

I have 2 oldies at the moment and intend to have them cremated when their time comes so your information on what to expect as standard practice is very useful. Thank you
 

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Your welcome. Its only right when you pay for a service , that the company explains the Whole process and gives you the right paper work, or some companies could rip you off like the one in (Gloucestershire)

if anyone wants the name of who I used ( and I do say I had no paper work for my pony in 2007 either) I will pm you the company name who is being researched by Trading Standards .
I will also say in PM who it is who is

Sympathetic
You can go sit in the room and wait
Take them home after
Who goes through whole process.


these companies need special check to prove the service.. I will know more and say more when I read through the stuff he is sending me.
 
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Oh okay - I didnt realise it was based on your conservation with the crematorium - sorry L x

I get it now :( and am really sorry that you are having a horrendous time with them :( xx
 

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Sorry about your experience. I've never had a horse cremated. When one of mine dies it is buried or the knacker truck takes it away. (By that point they are 'it' to me too, sorry if it offends, but I can't compare some body lying on the ground to the living horse I've enjoyed life with)

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago which was VERY indepth about what happens in all instances
 

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So sorry to hear this has happened to you as well as losing your mare in the first place. Well done for coming on here and sharing your experience to help others not go through what's happened to you.

Whatever else may have happened your girl will always be in your heart and she'll know how much you loved her and did your best for her. Big hugs xx
 

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I just want to make people aware of:


What questions they need to ask the company
check they get the paper work right (all paper work must be kept for 2 years by both parties)
Make sure the client is aware of the process
make sure they get their own horses ashes returned
make sure the license is authentic
make sure the place the horse is taken too is known by the client.
 
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I'm so sorry this has happened to you, you are paying for a service and your horse should be treated with respect and you should get what you are paying for. The people who collected my horses were polite and respectful at all times. The ashes arrived at the vets within a few days, with a certificate saying it was an individual cremation and a condolence card. And they always used my horses names.
 

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So sorry you had to go through this, OP. Thank you for sharing, though, as I for one will note it. I had the hunt take my shetland away, but I want to distribute Henry's ashes around his favourite rides when the time comes, so will cremate.
 

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Sad when you expect a service to be good and its not at such an awful time.

Each to their own re choices. I used a company called Resting pets but I only asked them to collect and yes realistically I would like to have spread his ashes in his field but also realistically such a big carcass to dispose of that I thought it better to be gone for hygeinic reasons(he was drugged up so no good to hounds and that would have been my preference ie not wasted..circle of life etc).
When I saw how big the equine ash caskets could be in the press I was quite shocked at the size(or lack of with the dodgy companies).
The only thing that was a bit wierd(or so I thought) I had the opposite experience a while later I got a certificate of communal cremation....I was not sure if I was supposed to frame it or something?Laugh or cry! But there was lots of nice information if you so desired it. So mine was the opposite experience. Perhaps one day I may call into the Essex branch and see what its like? But they were friendly and the chappie that came was so nice and considerate to my old boy, clean lorry and no chains(he made a point to tell me they dont use these). I suppose its like lots of things one lot spoil it for everyone. How sad to read this at such an awful time, just what you dont need. I do still wonder how they do cremate them being so huge!
 

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Hi,
Hope its ok to post (I'm a bit rubbish at posting regularly - apologies for that).
I am one of the people who was involved in the court case against that convicted fraudster Cooper. My mare was sent to Coopers in 2007 following a tragic field accident, she was a very special mare so I asked for her to be individually cremated and her ashes returned. As you can tell from the BBC report that did not happen. I didn't find out my horse might be affected until I saw the report from the original case that was published in Horse & Hound. :(
Leviathan, I am so sorry you have been a victim of this sort of crime too. It's heartbreaking. Please message me if you want to chat with someone who has been there.
 

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Thanks L and sorry you have had to go through this. xxx

I have now saved the number of a trading standards approved cremation service in my area.
 

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Hi SMinTinsel (fab name), I see you are in South Glos. Can I ask which vet you used? PM me if you prefer. I might be able to put your mind at rest or at least point you in the direction of the person at Glos Trading Standards who can explain more.
 

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Sorry to all who might be traumatised, BUT a certificate is no guarentee that you are actually receiving anything associated with your beloved horse. You might be surprised at the sheer volume of remains after a cremation of something the size of a horse: unless you have received several kilos of ash I doubt that you have the actual remains.
 

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Sorry to all who might be traumatised, BUT a certificate is no guarentee that you are actually receiving anything associated with your beloved horse. You might be surprised at the sheer volume of remains after a cremation of something the size of a horse: unless you have received several kilos of ash I doubt that you have the actual remains.

The certificate is given by the members on http://www.appcc.org.uk/find.htm and is a guarantee its your pet only .

If you use one on the list they explain carefully how they sweep out after the actually cremation and before the ashes are made.

I went through it all today and will get the email soon . So yes the incinerate is carefully sweep out, as the ones on the list have to be a proved and monitored.
 

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need to read through as its a confidential email

but the word document I will forward to anyone who wants it as its a standard advice to how to choose the right company just pm me your email
 
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Mines on the list, and I'd like to add the caskets are extremely heavy.

BHW I wish I could be certain I have my gal its heart breaking not knowing :(:(

This is how you know its your horses ashes.


What happens at an APPCC member?
A horse is placed into a clean cremation chamber, normally with a solid hearth. This is normally done using lifting equipment and varies from site to site. A label is attached to the cremator to identify your horse and the time of the cremation is recorded in a diary. The label stays with your horse's remains right the way through the system. The cremation is carried out until only sterile bone fragments remain. Once they have cooled to an acceptable temperature they are drawn into a tray or container and all traces removed from the hearth by careful brushing. All remains must be removed before the next cremation starts. It is highly likely there will be some fragments of the hearth with the ashes but this is inevitable if you are to receive all your horse's ashes.
 
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