Horse Cremation important information.

[ILuvCowparsely]

with so many asking for the form I have added to the web site in my link under vet then memorium. available to download in word

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

You cannot test ashes for DNA.

Got this back

Normally the temperature achieved during cremation destroys DNA, however species analysis through electron microscopy and peptide analysis are two ways of possibly checking whether the remains given back are those of your animal.

 

[Maesfen]

Got this back

Normally the temperature achieved during cremation destroys DNA, however species analysis through electron microscopy and peptide analysis are two ways of possibly checking whether the remains given back are those of your animal.

With respect L, you either have to be rolling in money or have a problem (in letting them go) to go to the trouble and expense of doing an analysis on ashes just to make sure you get your own back. What good would it do to go through all that, it's not going to bring them back?

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

With respect L, you either have to be rolling in money or have a problem (in letting them go) to go to the trouble and expense of doing an analysis on ashes just to make sure you get your own back. What good would it do to go through all that, it's not going to bring them back?

That above was information I received to pass on to others who are interested.

what is your problem? With me researching this company who have not gone about their service with sympathy
integrity and professionalism
and have been stand offish - vague etc
when I paid individual as did another one being researched too with this company .





I am trying in the future to stop any one else being conned like people were with recent fraud business??

By posting information I have received

What you are saying then once you have paid it does not matter what happens after that?? that you have paid £ 700 for individual and some scammer gives you a box of sand???

When you pay individual service you should get it WITH a certificate of authenticity . THIS is the basic correct procedure as per the
http://www.appcc.org.uk/bereavementcharter.htm

With the numerous pm's i have had asking for the details I have been sent I am not the only one who is worried or members asking for the details so they can use a APPCC approved website..

If this is a problem for you why don't you just concentrate on other threads and let those that are worried about this company and others continue with this thread.

I have to add if this was not done with the other case in the news this scumbag would not have been brought to justice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20274871


Should we let others get away with it or do something about it. You maybe a a follower but I am not I will do something about it if this company is not individually cremating horses and just taking money from grieving owners.

 

[Baggybreeches]

If this is a problem for you why don't you just concentrate on other threads and let those that are worried about this company and others continue with this thread.

I do feel a certain amount of empathy with you ( I had my dog cremated last year and waited while he was 'done') I do think your confrontational manner is a little uncalled for!
Horses are not pets, they are livestock and I think surely somebody somewhere should draw the line about these things. Horses that are dead are no more, you have memories that's what keeps your horses alive in your mind. not that long ago the only way a dead horse left a yard was in a knacker wagon, now we seem to have 'fluffied up' a pretty gruesome subject because it doesn't suit people who have no understanding of how to deal with death.

And as for the place you used, unfortunately conmen will always prey on the vulnerable it's a fact of life.
None of this will bring your horse back, but your obsession seems to be verging on the unhealthy I would perhaps concentrate your efforts on a slightly more positive project.

 

[Annagain]

Sorry Leviathan if you feel I took it off topic too. I agree that your information was very useful and that the actions of these people are deplorable. I was just trying to say try not to get too consumed by it as unfortunately if things haven't gone your way no good can come of it. Sometimes not knowing might be better?

I am deeply sorry for your loss and don't mean to offend, so please accept my apologies if I have, but the person who will be damaged most by continuing with this is you.

 

[Maesfen]

I do feel a certain amount of empathy with you ( I had my dog cremated last year and waited while he was 'done') I do think your confrontational manner is a little uncalled for!
Horses are not pets, they are livestock and I think surely somebody somewhere should draw the line about these things. Horses that are dead are no more, you have memories that's what keeps your horses alive in your mind. not that long ago the only way a dead horse left a yard was in a knacker wagon, now we seem to have 'fluffied up' a pretty gruesome subject because it doesn't suit people who have no understanding of how to deal with death.

And as for the place you used, unfortunately conmen will always prey on the vulnerable it's a fact of life.
None of this will bring your horse back, but your obsession seems to be verging on the unhealthy I would perhaps concentrate your efforts on a slightly more positive project.

Thanks BB, agree with you entirely. but I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking this seems to have become an almost unhealthy obsession for OP which isn't doing her any favours.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

I do feel a certain amount of empathy with you ( I had my dog cremated last year and waited while he was 'done') I do think your confrontational manner is a little uncalled for!
Horses are not pets, they are livestock and I think surely somebody somewhere should draw the line about these things. Horses that are dead are no more, you have memories that's what keeps your horses alive in your mind. not that long ago the only way a dead horse left a yard was in a knacker wagon, now we seem to have 'fluffied up' a pretty gruesome subject because it doesn't suit people who have no understanding of how to deal with death.

And as for the place you used, unfortunately conmen will always prey on the vulnerable it's a fact of life.
None of this will bring your horse back, but your obsession seems to be verging on the unhealthy I would perhaps concentrate your efforts on a slightly more positive project.

Well I sorry if you think it was confrontational towards Maesfen.
But why they do not leave the thread I do not know.
I have gone through hell recently so when some one who is on my case telling me I should give up let this company get away with not doing a service.
When this thread started off nicely and people thanking me for the links and info , all I am doing is updating them with the further info I have been sent

You might think horses are livestock, but to me they are pets part of my family. I do not want kids I chose horses instead they are my life as are my other animals it is not wrong to pursue this matter of investigating to make sure I have the casket I paid for and not a box of sand, that is normal for any owner.


As one owner found out her horse was not cremated only rendered and she paid individual.

I started this thread to make people aware of the correct
protocol in cremation
the right Questions an owner should check before booking cremation
which company are recommended and trusted.

As when you are in the horrid situation of having your horse PTS its a comfort you don't have to start looking around you know exactly where to go.

If you do not want the info do not click on open thread. To some people it matters that they got their horses ashes back, No it wont bring the animal back but for some its closure - peace of mind- a help knowing they have the part of their horse to scatter or bury as they see fit.

Imagine if someone wanted to scatter their horses ashes only to find out its sand.

Should the company not be exposed?

This happens to humans you know they sometimes cremate more than one together

Now if you don't want to read any more info which I get from high authority to help other members here please move to another thread ty

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Sorry Leviathan if you feel I took it off topic too. I agree that your information was very useful and that the actions of these people are deplorable. I was just trying to say try not to get too consumed by it as unfortunately if things haven't gone your way no good can come of it. Sometimes not knowing might be better?

I am deeply sorry for your loss and don't mean to offend, so please accept my apologies if I have, but the person who will be damaged most by continuing with this is you.

No problem Anna not offended at all

 

[FionaM12]

This happens to humans you know they sometimes cremate more than one together

I've worked in the funeral business, and I think you should have concrete facts before spreading such rumours. This happens in this country? I doubt it very much and would like to know your sources. Such ideas are very distressing to bereaved families.

I don't think Maesfen and Baggyboots are meaning to be unkind, quite the contrary they are only expressing their concern that you may be continuing an obsession which can only hurt you more when really you need perhaps to start to come to terms with your loss.

Grief counselling might help. I'm sorry for you, you're clearly suffering, and I hope you reach a happier state soon.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

I've worked in the funeral business, and I think you should have concrete facts before spreading such rumours. This happens in this country? I doubt it very much and would like to know your sources. Such ideas are very distressing to bereaved families.

I don't think Maesfen and Baggyboots are meaning to be unkind, quite the contrary they are only expressing their concern that you may be continuing an obsession which can only hurt you more when really you need perhaps to start to come to terms with your loss.

Grief counselling might help. I'm sorry for you, you're clearly suffering, and I hope you reach a happier state soon.

actually my livery has the facts as he works at the crematorium in the next village

thank you but I do not need grief counseling.

What I do need is closure which I am working on.
so while I still get pm's from members asking for updates and further info. I will post here for those who want it, if you do not then there are plenty more threads about

 

[Maesfen]

In that case L, I suggest you put me on UI too as I was only trying to get across to you how obsessive this thread seems to have become given some of your later responses to this and other threads and you always before seemed a reasonable type of person; it's hard to take when someone changes so much over a comparatively short space of time. As F, suggested, perhaps grief counselling might help this rage that seems to be coming out from you. I'm sorry if that offends.

Thanks to F too for putting it in a nutshell before, I only said it to possibly help you come to terms but perhaps you're not ready yet to do that.

 

[FionaM12]

acutely I do have facts as a liveries husband works at a crematorium

There are very strict laws regulating crematoriums. I suspect your livery is misunderstanding, or not being truthful. Otherwise they should most certainly go to the police, and their husband should leave as by working there he is involved in serious crime.

Cremators can take one coffin only (and I've known cases where a coffin for a very large person couldn't fit). Coffins are sealed before being taken to the crem and it is illegal to open them once there.

I'm backing out of this thread, it's becoming very distasteful and you've gone from saying you're offering help to people who've lost their horses, to spreading unpleasant rumours which could hurt people who've lost family members.

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

no more on the livery subject.



For the members who post me pm's last night when I get the info you want I will add it here.
if its too long pop your email and I will send it file attachment.

 

[Baggybreeches]

I've worked in the funeral business, and I think you should have concrete facts before spreading such rumours. This happens in this country? I doubt it very much and would like to know your sources. Such ideas are very distressing to bereaved families.

I don't think Maesfen and Baggyboots are meaning to be unkind, quite the contrary they are only expressing their concern that you may be continuing an obsession which can only hurt you more when really you need perhaps to start to come to terms with your loss.

Grief counselling might help. I'm sorry for you, you're clearly suffering, and I hope you reach a happier state soon.

Thank you Fiona M12, I was just about to say that with my first hand professional knowledge of the funeral/cremation business this absolutely does not happen in this country!

In response OP
1/I commented on the thread to give my perspective as an outsider, this is surely why you posted on an open forum, to share experiences and thoughts?
2/In my experience people who choose horses 'instead' of children tend to have rude ill mannered horses (which makes me grateful they chose not to have children ) I don't have children either but my animals are treated as best suits them be they pets or farm animals.
3/To pursue an individual or a business for making false representations (which is not the same as fraud) I would suggest you learn to write in a slightly less hysterical and more factual matter, nobody who will deal with the cares will be able to 'quantify' feelings/hurt or distress as these are personal, what they can do is seek reimbursement and damages for financial loss.
4/ Please stop passing on information which may or may not be accurate (based on your hearsay revelations of human cremations).

Do yourself and other grieving people a favour and find a more positive thing to concentrate on.
Best Wishes

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

Thank you Fiona M12, I was just about to say that with my first hand professional knowledge of the funeral/cremation business this absolutely does not happen in this country!

In response OP
1/I commented on the thread to give my perspective as an outsider, this is surely why you posted on an open forum, to share experiences and thoughts?
2/In my experience people who choose horses 'instead' of children tend to have rude ill mannered horses (which makes me grateful they chose not to have children ) I don't have children either but my animals are treated as best suits them be they pets or farm animals.
3/To pursue an individual or a business for making false representations (which is not the same as fraud) I would suggest you learn to write in a slightly less hysterical and more factual matter, nobody who will deal with the cares will be able to 'quantify' feelings/hurt or distress as these are personal, what they can do is seek reimbursement and damages for financial loss.
4/ Please stop passing on information which may or may not be accurate (based on your hearsay revelations of human cremations).

Do yourself and other grieving people a favour and find a more positive thing to concentrate on.
Best Wishes

actually my horses temperament are second to none.

And for your information the info I am getting is from the Director of cremation / pet cemetery in the country its not from a nobody. He is investigating this company and others at the moment in the UK and is working along side trading standards who are also involved in my case.

He is the highest in the UK
I am not printing out confidential matter only things a horse owner should know.


Actually my liveries and family would not agree I am one of the kindest , easy going person.

What I am guilty for is

being to soft to help others
doing favours for nothing in return.
will do anything and help anyone in need.

Now things have now moved away from the topic.

Now please do not carry on this I have a yard to run and people to help and horses to clip (for free) I am off to do that . CYA