janet68
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Yeah he quite a darling to ride but a sh*t to handle
Horse going completley mental(long sorry)
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Scheherezade
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Put your muck down on the yard to create a walkway - thats what we do.
Or box him to somewhere.
Or move.
Or box him to somewhere.
Or move.
Kat
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YOU NEED TO GET HIM OUT! for your own and his safety.
Whether you turn him out and leave him out or whether you turn out daily or into your school is up to you and your circumstances but turn him out somewhere.
You CAN make the yard safe enough to lead across (on a lunge line with ALL safety precations).
Safest is to dig and sweep away the snow and ice making decent paths. You can keep them clear with grit/salt if your farmer will not see reason about grit dirty bedding or cat litter will also do the job, as will old carpet/underlay, cinders from the fire or whatever.
You may need to get a bit tough with the farmer and remind himof his duties to lawful visitors under the occupiers liability act and in negligence. Remind him that you are his customer and have a right to reasonably enjoy the facilities. Remind him that your livery includes use of turnout and school, if you are unable to use them due to his failure to keep the yard free from ice then you will have to reduce your livery payments accordingly and ultimitely look to move.
This is for your own safety - don't take risks.
Whether you turn him out and leave him out or whether you turn out daily or into your school is up to you and your circumstances but turn him out somewhere.
You CAN make the yard safe enough to lead across (on a lunge line with ALL safety precations).
Safest is to dig and sweep away the snow and ice making decent paths. You can keep them clear with grit/salt if your farmer will not see reason about grit dirty bedding or cat litter will also do the job, as will old carpet/underlay, cinders from the fire or whatever.
You may need to get a bit tough with the farmer and remind himof his duties to lawful visitors under the occupiers liability act and in negligence. Remind him that you are his customer and have a right to reasonably enjoy the facilities. Remind him that your livery includes use of turnout and school, if you are unable to use them due to his failure to keep the yard free from ice then you will have to reduce your livery payments accordingly and ultimitely look to move.
This is for your own safety - don't take risks.
PeterNatt
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Given the problems and circumstances you are in at this moment in time I would keep him in but cut out all hard feed and just give him well soaked hay (Hay that has been soaked for 1 hour). Soaked hay will get the nutrition out of it. (But he does need at least one section every 4 hours to keep his system going). If you are unable to soak it then just give him a slice of hay every 4 hours.
Your safety and that of the others on the yard and the horse are the priority.
Long term I would find another yard where they will be more accomodating to you and your horse.
Your safety and that of the others on the yard and the horse are the priority.
Long term I would find another yard where they will be more accomodating to you and your horse.
Natch
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Is this really the horse for you?
Is this really the horse for you?
ladyt25
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My horse can be a bigger to handle - always has been and I've had him 14 years! He CAN be good but you have to always be on the ball! If you drop your guard he knows it and he will walk through you, barge you etc etc. I got him a chain headcollar (Eskadron) and I have a much better horse to handle. He's not nasty at all though he's just a sod and he knows his strength but he goes out everyday and 99% of the time he's well behaved. Sometimes though he gets to the gate, halfway out and then turns round and legs it back in!
My own fault though cos I am idle and don't use the headcollar on a morning - just my hand over his nose and on his neck! hehe. If he runs though i let go - he will then stop - sometimes the more you fight them the worse they are and the more they react.
I think you need to be firmer with this horse. Get mad with him let him know pushing you about isn't acceptable! As far as the yard - get ice digging! It's bloody hard and I was knackered after doing it but better that then sliding over the ice with half a tonne of horse! Sand, dirty bedding, earth from somewhere will be a good enough substitute for grit. just get this horse outside! I am not an advocate of sedating but if he's REALLY that bad then maybe it's necessary to get him out safely but then I'd leave him out!
My own fault though cos I am idle and don't use the headcollar on a morning - just my hand over his nose and on his neck! hehe. If he runs though i let go - he will then stop - sometimes the more you fight them the worse they are and the more they react.
I think you need to be firmer with this horse. Get mad with him let him know pushing you about isn't acceptable! As far as the yard - get ice digging! It's bloody hard and I was knackered after doing it but better that then sliding over the ice with half a tonne of horse! Sand, dirty bedding, earth from somewhere will be a good enough substitute for grit. just get this horse outside! I am not an advocate of sedating but if he's REALLY that bad then maybe it's necessary to get him out safely but then I'd leave him out!
janet68
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yes he is the horse for me its just the extreme circumstances that is causing all the problems,If he gets he 20 mins out a day he is quite happy but as hes not getting this he is going off his head. I will battle through it one way or another. Nobody that doesnt know him can quite get their heads around just how special needs he is if he was human they would put him in an institution and throw away the key. I love him to bits and will get through this and come out the other side one way or another
LJ77
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you're not alone!! i am in the same situation, have only managed to get my boy out 5 times since 23rd Dec (im counting!!!) which he is not liking at all as i always like him to go out every day in the winter come rain or shine for a good couple of hours at least. our yard has been sheet ice, never gets the sun on it and YO wont let us put grit down either (and to be fair as fast as you can clear the ice it is back again, if you can clear it at all as it has been so thick). the walk to the field is a long way and with the best will in the world it has jsut been impossible, even a muck trail has not really worked due to the ice underneath and an incline to the field, i have only braved it a few times. my horse has also got frustrated and is being a bit of a sod in the stable. i have jsut ordered a trial sachet of pro kalm as that has great reviews and i have also started giving him 3 feeds a day (consisting of chop!!) with hay so at least he has a bit of entertainment at lunchtime! like you, everyone else's horses seem not bothered only mine which is not because he is nasty, simply because he thrives on work which he is not getting
hang in there and i would say look at the instant calmers for the short term and as others have said take him off anything whcih may be heating feed wise. (i think these are much better than ACP or sedalin which i wouldnt want to give in this situation - i have used Global Herbs SuperCalm in the past too when we have stayed away at shows so i know that works to de-stress him). Hopefully your YO will sort the gritting out too.
if things get really bad give your vet a call as i know there are super strong supplements they give out when horses have to stay on box rest for injury (and dont like it!!) which may offer a solution for you. not ideal i know, but safety first!
long term i may have to have a think about moving yards, but to be fair we havent had such a long spell of cold weather for years. it's not as easy as just boxing up and moving in the blink of an eye, at least i can get to current yard, others nearby are only accessible by foot at he mo thanks to the dump of snow which came last night!! argh!!!!
roll on spring!!! good luck x
hang in there and i would say look at the instant calmers for the short term and as others have said take him off anything whcih may be heating feed wise. (i think these are much better than ACP or sedalin which i wouldnt want to give in this situation - i have used Global Herbs SuperCalm in the past too when we have stayed away at shows so i know that works to de-stress him). Hopefully your YO will sort the gritting out too.
if things get really bad give your vet a call as i know there are super strong supplements they give out when horses have to stay on box rest for injury (and dont like it!!) which may offer a solution for you. not ideal i know, but safety first!
long term i may have to have a think about moving yards, but to be fair we havent had such a long spell of cold weather for years. it's not as easy as just boxing up and moving in the blink of an eye, at least i can get to current yard, others nearby are only accessible by foot at he mo thanks to the dump of snow which came last night!! argh!!!!
roll on spring!!! good luck x
Tinypony
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Some horses can deal with being kept in, but unfortunately there are some that just can't. In the case of those horses then it is completely wrong to start getting after them and trying to instill some "manners". They get stressed beyond the point where they can respond to what you ask, and then the situation escalates and if they are confronted, they get fear-aggressive. I don't think we are talking about bad manners or bolshiness here. Certainly when I have dealt with this the horse had got to the point where they were so stressed that they almost tuned people out, which is why it gets so dangerous.
bailey14
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Our yard owner won't let me put grit down in front of my stable where I tie up my horse as she says it ruins the concrete, but I still do. My horses welfare comes first, concrete can be replaced, horses cannot.
angrovestud
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does your farmer keep sheep hurdles or barrier fencing? I have used these when working in the peak district with a strapping 16.1 danish warmblood colt, who was imported during a really icey winter 84, he used to back barrel me when I was mucking out he was only 15 months old and entire, owner was scared of him and sent me in to muck out, while she fed over the door, horrid situation we made a barrier road to the field and it works really well, you could do the same with electirc fencing if you can do it, we used this method to rehabilitated a stallion that had been in prison for 7 months, little by little you take the control back, and reinstate your self on the way back to the stable. and keep your self safe we used dirty bedding on the pack ice we were working at 1,000 feet above sea level and minus 12 everyday for a fortnight good luck.
Vicki1986
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have you ever consulted a behavioural expert?
janet68
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Not a behavioural specialist but had Monty Roberts (rather whimpy) apprentice and he was useless as he was actually more scared of him than most of people on yard, all he kept saying was he is massive and could easily kill you if he wanted it didnt make me feel any better and i never got him back because he refused to handle him
brucea
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It's just a daft suggestion - but it does work...I guess you use either a straw or shavings bed?
You can use the old bedding as a dressing instead of grit/salt and that will probably give enough traction to get by.
We have often made the "yellow sh*t road" in the yard from the stables to the field (about 20 yards) - and it does not damage the concrete and can just be swept up afterwards. Better than killing yourself.
Also like others have said - cut feed right down to hay - no cereals, no sugar, no molasses licks.
Have you ever been to one of these kids birthday party barns where they are all hyper on sugar and colourings and run amok? Well....that's not too far from what some horses experience!
You can use the old bedding as a dressing instead of grit/salt and that will probably give enough traction to get by.
We have often made the "yellow sh*t road" in the yard from the stables to the field (about 20 yards) - and it does not damage the concrete and can just be swept up afterwards. Better than killing yourself.
Also like others have said - cut feed right down to hay - no cereals, no sugar, no molasses licks.
Have you ever been to one of these kids birthday party barns where they are all hyper on sugar and colourings and run amok? Well....that's not too far from what some horses experience!
janet68
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Hi i have cut his feeds right down cant cut out all together as this in itself would be enough to freak him out(only tiny sprinkle now so he thinks he has had it) and have tried to send farmer on a guilt trip to see if he will plough and grit the yard, if not i will persever till weekend then do it myself
3BayGeldings
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Honestly? I'd shove a couple of rugs on, risk the ice, get him into the field and then leave him there until the ice clears on the yard. Or, put a walkway of straw over the ice. It's not that hard to do.
Honestly? I'd shove a couple of rugs on, risk the ice, get him into the field and then leave him there until the ice clears on the yard. Or, put a walkway of straw over the ice. It's not that hard to do.
janet68
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Honestly if i turned him out he would come through fence as he has done before because he hates being out. He is fine when in if i remove him from stable before i attemp to do anything,its when i go in and he is still in there that probs start. Last time he came through fence he ended up with 15 staples to a gash on his back leg
3BayGeldings
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So he hates being in the stable and hates being in the field?
janet68
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No he loves being in stable just hates anybody in there with him