Horse has to be sold suggestions please

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As many of you know we have had Danny since September, firstly in to school and then to sell on behalf of his owner.

We have tried unsuccesfully to sell him on her behalf. We have tried all the usual routes, suppling an online video for people to view, lots of photos and and dropping the price twice.

We have never even had anyone come to look at him
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just lots of time wasters who telephone spend hours talking, arrange to visit, then cancel last minute or don't turn up at all.
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In that time he has been regularly competed with fair results and several wins at BD Novice.

He is very sensible and straighforward, not sharp or spooky he is however 17hh and I think his height could be putting people off.

She would now like suggestions of dealers who would buy Danny from her. She understands that she will loose a considerable amount of money but after 6 months feels that her only option is to cut her loses.

Another option she is considering is to advertise him cheaply to a good approved home - at a price far less than we think he is worth and then to vet the home to do our best to ensure that he is no passed on for profit in a short space of time.

So do you know any reputable dealers that will buy an imported German gelding who is a top end RC horse with the ability to progress with time and correct training?

And how viable do you think it is to re-advertise him at a reduced price? Bearing in mind we will probably have to filter through and sift the genuine callers from those out to make a buck!

Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
 
Sadly horses are only worth what people will pay, and that's where most sales go wrong.
He is a difficult height to sell but must still be expensive in some people's view or he would have had triers.
He sounds really nice so should sell, any chance of a link to an ad so we can see him?
I've found horsemart gets the most people for me, I would love to say H and H but the comparison in costs is massive, and with some horses I've had up to 60 enquiries, all horses going to the first person to try the horse.
The trouble with dealers as such are they tend to make a fair bit of their profit from the livery costs, so she will still get weeks of livery bills before her eventual price.
I would advertise him again, different advert, lower price taking into account the fact she will lose loads if he goes via a dealer. The odd time we have done this with difficult horses we lost a lot, and if you are near Somerset, don't use a dealer with the initials MM.. He took one of our horses, kept it weeks, said would we reduce the price as his groom had fallen in love with it which we did. A couple of months later it was sold for treble that price...
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Will do it know, had a few calls but no one to visit him. We knew we were taking a gamble advertising him in the run up to Christmas but we tried again in January and had even fewer calls!

He has done mainly dressage with us but we have jumped him and he is seriously sensible and while won't be the next Arko he would easily pop round BN and Dics and would do local workers.
 
Oh my... I really want him!

It is just not the right time for me to take on another, but there is something that I really really like about this horse and I haven't even met him
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Have you put him on Horse Deals? I had so much interest in my trailer through that site, and not much from other sites.

I think she should sell him to me and know he would have a home for life
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- only kidding! He is a quality horse who deserves a quality home
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Sorry to hear you still haven't had any interest
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Did you change the advert to take the RC header off, as I think that could be what is putting people off as most people will not want to pay that price tag for an RC horse - it has to be worth editing the advert on Horsequest if you have anymore time to run. I wouldn't have thought that the height would put people off - you only have to walk around Top Shop to see that teenage girls are like weeds these days, I feel short at 5ft10+!!!!
 
The ads have all expired but here is the video on you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maZdBrSM9Fg

She wants someone to buy him outright at a loss, as she is paying us a training livery so doesn't want to send him somewhere else on sale livery. We did suggest she send him to a high profile selling yard on a sale livery but she didn't want to do this.

We are based in the south east so any reputable dealers around that area (Kent, Sussex, Surrey, Essex, Herts) would be ideal.
 
Advertising him at Christmas is hard i would wait till end of this month and im sure he will go hun !! could she maybe advertise him at 16.3hh might not be as of putting to people ? also does he have a 5 stage vetting ?
 
LOL - I feel tiny at the school where I teach and permanently have a stiff neck looking up at all the kids I teach!

We tried two ads one as a competition horse and one as an RC horse and had zero respone.

If she decided to readvertise it will a reduced price tag and I have to confess I am just not looking forward to fielding the calls!

We advertised in H&H, Horsedeals, Horsequest, Horsemart, as well as local websites
 
I would re-advertise now it's Spring at a reduced price with a different photo, description, phone no... so it looks like a different horse.

I just think if people see a horse has been on the market for a longtime they presume there is something wrong with it - even though that might not be the case.

I also think I'd be tempted to describe him as "ideal amateur's dressage horse"... I think people are more likely to accept a 17hh for dressage than as a riding club allrounder - where there are millions of 16.2's on the market.

Also, I'm always put off if I see a man riding in a 'For Sale' photo. I presume (I know this is a sweeping generalisation) that the horse will be strong, heavy etc. And at the end of the day most riders are women.

So perhaps have him photographed with a tall woman onboard?

Best of luck anyway, it seems such a shame that a lovely horse like that can't find a home.
 
What a lovely, lovely horse. He looks like he has a wonderful attitude.

I can only echo what a lot of others have said - start advertising again now. It would be such a shame for such a special horse to go through a dealers yard (no matter how good).
 
She wanted us to consider advertising him at 16.3hh but we said no as he is a full up 17hh and while I might, at 5'7 consider a 16.3hh, he is at 17hh to big for me.

I have been to see horse before and been realy disappointed that they have not been accurately advertised to we stuck to our guns and have insisted that we advertise him accurately and realistically.

Starting to wonmder if lying is the way forward
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what a lovely horse. no way would i call him a RCer, he looks better than that. i think limiting him like that in an ad is a bad idea, does him no favours at all tbh. i'd start again with the advertising, different places (i use horsequest), different pics, don't mention that he's been on the market for months. he's really nice, should find a lovely home. best of luck.
how old is he, btw?
 
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She wanted us to consider advertising him at 16.3hh but we said no as he is a full up 17hh and while I might, at 5'7 consider a 16.3hh, he is at 17hh to big for me.

I have been to see horse before and been realy disappointed that they have not been accurately advertised to we stuck to our guns and have insisted that we advertise him accurately and realistically.

Starting to wonmder if lying is the way forward
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well if he was 16.3hh and only just turning 7yo he will grow a bit anyway !!

my friend emma is only my height (as you know i am tiny at 5.1) and her horse is 17hh she doesnt look bad on him at all xx
 
In November she asked us to advertise him at £12k which we did, he was then dropped to £9,000 ono in January.

And just to be sure we were not way off the mark, 9K was the same price that the majority of forum users on here agreed was correct price to advertise him when I did a previous post.
 
We did and got nothing, no response at all!
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So because he is easy we thought we would try and tap into the amatuer/RC market as he is either a top end RC horse or a very nice dressage horse with a trainable temp and nice paces to progress.

I think she is reluctant to spend any more on advertising as she has tried every decent equine advertising method possible.

Which is why she is now considering selling him to a dealer who she realises will make a considerable profit on him but thinks he stands a better chance of finding a permanent home rather someone buying cheaply privately and then trying to make some money and sell him on for profit. does that make sense?
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IMHO, Please, please do not take this the wrong way, I'd price him at about £5k, yes he is a lovely, lovely looking horse with a lovely gentle character, there is no doubt about that, but I think that after watching his movement on the video, and looking at the way he uses himself, no way is he a £9k horse. We used to have global dressage at my yard, and it was the horses with power and panache from behind that made those sort of prices.
 
I don't know the history or the CV of the horse but for £9k you are limiting the amount of buyers. He's also a big horse which limits you more and as an "amateur" girl rider, rightly or wrongly it would put me off seeing a bloke riding the horse.

Again, stressing I don't know the details behind it, I'd also wonder why the horse was at selling livery and not the owner themselves selling the horse.

I am good friends with a dealer (jumping horses rather than dressage though) who says that everything sells if it's the right price. He's always busy, and never advertises. Maybe he is too much money for the current market?

I wouldn't go down the selling to a dealer route as you will lose so much money. My dealer friend won't even have anything in to sell on behalf of clients now - he just has his own that he sources to sell.

Oh and is that Mark Butler riding? I've not seen him since he was about 8 years old and significantly skinnier than that!!!!
 
I'd disagree that people wont pay that much for a top end RC horse, last year when i advertised Star as just that she was up for £8950 and I had plenty of people wanting to come see her....

I do know someone hun, but would have to be a considerable price drop for him to consider buying him i think. Maybe advertise him around the £7.5k mark?? Will watch the vid in a min
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Adcertise himas an out and out dressage horse, he's thr right height for it and has the scores to back it up. keep the price up to.
We're now coming into prime horse buying time to.

What level is he at? Could you call him a dressage school master? People cry out for those to.

He really should sell.


Having now watched the video and seen you want 9k for him I think there's you problem. He's a lovley horse and correct but not flashy hence you are not going to get 9k for him. Also haven't managed to find out how hold he is yet?
 
As I've said before it's such a shame I can't ride until mid-summer as I'd certainly want to try him, he caught my eye on horsequest before I realised he was with you.
I would be looking for something in the range of 16.1 to 17.1 and considering the amount of huge dressage horses there are about I don't think his height should be a problem.
I echo others about taking the RC part off the ad, I don't think people would want to pay that money for a RC horse. Someone suggested amateur dressage which I think would be ideal.
Also having the photo's done with a woman on board (could the owner do it?) would I think appeal to more women, I know it's silly but I do think there is something in it. Some horses go better for men and it may make people wonder why he is being sold through a yard, if you know what I mean. Good luck, I really hope you are able to find him a good home.
 
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Oh and is that Mark Butler riding? I've not seen him since he was about 8 years old and significantly skinnier than that!!!!

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It is indeed Mark, I will tell him you think he is now fat
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No the owner won't ride him as she admits she is not good enough to do him justice. The plan was for me to ride him in some photos as I have ridden him quite a bit at home, however I had the dreaded flu over half-term so didn't ride at all.
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However if the owner wants to try readvertising him then I think that is the route we will take.
 
At 5K I think he is very cheap!

He has three correct paces and while may not have off the floor paces, he has a trainable temp which is sometimes the better advantage.
 
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Oh and is that Mark Butler riding? I've not seen him since he was about 8 years old and significantly skinnier than that!!!!

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It is indeed Mark, I will tell him you think he is now fat
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Please don't
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I think he might just remember me though.
 
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