horse hates being groomed/rugged, touched etc

[axe1312]

We are going round in circles. Endless advice offered and dismissed as being not possible to implement it.

I too hope that it is just a nasty little troll.

UI is the way forward, I think, for those who don't want any more of this distressing nonsense .

I'm not a troll, I swear. And I'm trying him in coligone, then getting a scope if the vet gives the go ahead. I'm listening. And I appreciate the advice, Im just confused as the help around me isn't helping.

 

[ycbm]

The vet does not "give the go ahead" for a scope, you instruct the vet to carry out a scope for you and find another if they won't.
.

 

[axe1312]

This isn't a thing. Either something in your behaviour (or possibly smell?) is making him uncomfortable, or he feels more able to express himself around you and therefore only shows you he's uncomfortable.

So I could be a problem? What can I do about it? Is coligone really any good? Vet recommended trying it, another person said aloe Vera. But we already paid £20 for coligone, that will only last a week. His old owners had him in coligone to soothe him though. So I don't know?

 

[axe1312]

The vet does not "give the go ahead" for a scope, you instruct the vet to carry out a scope for you and find another if they won't.
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The vet doesn't think it's necessary atm, when the vet recommends it, we will do it. We've voiced our concerns, the vet said there's a chance, but he showed no symptoms of it. She touched the pressure points, no reaction. But she said he could have it with no signs. So you think I shouldn't try coligone and just pay £360 for a scope, plus sedation and travel fees?

 

[Rowreach]

So I could be a problem? What can I do about it? Is coligone really any good? Vet recommended trying it, another person said aloe Vera. But we already paid £20 for coligone, that will only last a week. His old owners had him in coligone to soothe him though. So I don't know?

Axe, just walk away from this thread, stop listening to randomers on the internet who don’t know you or your horse, and trust the people around you.

 

[Barton Bounty]

@axe1312

Many of us are saying the very same things throughout the posts.

Go back to basics….. stop the alfa oil for now. Not every horse is tolerant to it but you are better to eliminate things as you go along?

Use your coligone as a supplement in the feed.

Take your feeding back to the beginning. Ditch the sugary and starchy feeds. Feed a high fibre diet that will be safe and good for his tummy!

You can get free samples from companies to try and also feed stores will have samples too.

Is he having any turnout? How much hay is he having? Is it soaked because of the laminitis? Is the vet sure it is lami?

All things to consider

 

[axe1312]

@axe1312

Many of us are saying the very same things throughout the posts.

Go back to basics….. stop the alfa oil for now. Not every horse is tolerant to it but you are better to eliminate things as you go along?

Use your coligone as a supplement in the feed.

Take your feeding back to the beginning. Ditch the sugary and starchy feeds. Feed a high fibre diet that will be safe and good for his tummy!

You can get free samples from companies to try and also feed stores will have samples too.

Is he having any turnout? How much hay is he having? Is it soaked because of the laminitis? Is the vet sure it is lami?

All things to consider

He is having turnout again now, he gets 2 hours, the vet said that's it for now. Although by next week can be out all say again. He gets 1 net for the day, 2 for night. It's soaked cuz of his dust allergy, he only gets it for 5 mins. The vet said he could just be foot sore.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Losing weight is a symptom of ulcers and pain.

Particularly the pain from laminitis

 

[axe1312]

Axe, just walk away from this thread, stop listening to randomers on the internet who don’t know you or your horse, and trust the people around you.

Are you sure? Everyone is saying don't listen to them. I'm stuck

 

[Barton Bounty]

@axe1312

There is some good advice on here and some ridiculous advice.

Do you mean he only get his net for 5 minutes? He wouldnt need so much hard feed if he was being filled with hay and its good for them.

Might be helpful if you post a close up picture of his hoof

 

[Rowreach]

Are you sure? Everyone is saying don't listen to them. I'm stuck

Yes I really am.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

The vet doesn't think it's necessary atm, when the vet recommends it, we will do it. We've voiced our concerns, the vet said there's a chance, but he showed no symptoms of it. She touched the pressure points, no reaction. But she said he could have it with no signs. So you think I shouldn't try coligone and just pay £360 for a scope, plus sedation and travel fees?

I think your parents should not have bought a horse without insuring it from the moment it set foot on your yard if they are unwilling/unable to pay for basic vet tests.

 

[axe1312]

I think your parents should not have bought a horse without insuring it from the moment it set foot on your yard if they are unwilling/unable to pay for basic vet tests.

They were fully able. But the dog fell unwell costing over 10k with no insurance. And dad decided that £70 a month is pointless when he can just put it away. We have 4 dogs as well. We've had a tough year. And we can still afford JJ to have a scope, but when the people on the ground are saying there's no way, my parents don't fancy spending £400 all together if he doesn't have ulcers.

 

[ycbm]

The vet doesn't think it's necessary atm, when the vet recommends it, we will do it. We've voiced our concerns, the vet said there's a chance, but he showed no symptoms of it. She touched the pressure points, no reaction. But she said he could have it with no signs. So you think I shouldn't try coligone and just pay £360 for a scope, plus sedation and travel fees?

You know what I think. I've posted it on this thread and by PM in response to your questions. You need people on the ground who know you and your horse who you trust.

You need to stop asking the same questions on the forum over and over and rejecting the answers you are given, it's pointless, a waste of your own and everyone else's time and is just confusing you.

 

[axe1312]

You know what I think. I've posted it on this thread and by PM in response to your questions. You need people on the ground who know you and your horse who you trust.

You need to stop asking the same questions on the forum over and over and rejecting the answers you are given, it's pointless, a waste of your own and everyone else's time and is just confusing you.

I'm not ignoring anyone. I'm listening. I'm trying what everyone is saying. And once he's been scoped, I'll be back on here do advice on his behaviour. As he's always been like it and it needs help.

 

[olop]

Don't you dare. He is in good hand. I'm bending over backwards for him. I working while I'll to pay for this scope. We're paying alot of vet and farrier bills for him atm. We can afford a scope but my parents won't do it, as the yo said he doesn't have ulcers. But mum has listened to me and Google and is considering it, but the vet said try coligone first. So we are listening to the vet. He has everything a horse could want. Problem is the vet doesn't think he has ulcers, because she felt over his whole body, no reaction. Mum touches him no reaction, same for dad, brother, yo etc. It's only me he reacts to. But if you all think he has ulcers, I will get him a scope, after we try coligone. I'm sorry ok, but I'm trying my best, so are my family. My dogs poorly with 4000 mri, 7000 operation, and £100 meds a month. On top of that, JJ with shoes every 4 week, bute, vet bills, extra bedding etc. We're losing money quicker than were earning. I'm working my arse off for this scope, may I add while struggling with a respiratory infection with asthma. Spending the rest of the day caring for JJ. And then have 6 hours sleep. Ok, none of you can see behind my phone, what's really going on. Some of you have given advice kindly. Others are just plain right disrespectful. And uncaring. He only ever his symptoms with me, and when tied up, or with another horse. In the field, or loose in the stable he's fine. With everyone else he's fine. It's when I groom him, he doesn't like it, and when anyone touches his withers. He's the same with his feet for me. He knows I love him, he knows he can play me up.

When my boy had ulcers he was extremely reactive to me and me only because I was the one he trusted and that response was him telling me he was in pain. He also didn’t show the behaviour to his groom (on full livery) as he associated her as the “food lady”. He also did not show the behaviour towards my other half because my other half also used to just say hello and offer him a treat.

 

[Upthecreek]

This thread just highlights why 15 year olds should not be posting. There is absolutely no point in well meaning posters giving good advice that Axe is powerless to implement. I feel for Axe, I feel for the horse. I do find it very strange that he only reacts badly to her touch though.

 

[MereChristmas]

This thread just highlights why 15 year olds should not be posting. There is absolutely no point in well meaning posters giving good advice that Axe is powerless to implement. I feel for Axe, I feel for the horse. I do find it very strange that he only reacts badly to her touch though.

I wasn’t going to post on this thread again.
I will say that F only showed his distress at home to me. He did not react to touch at all and I had to video him to show the vet.
When others saw him he seemed normal but when they had gone the discomfort was easily seen.

 

[Lexi 123]

I think everyone Needs to relax. The reality it could be just behaviour I have a mare you can’t touch with a brush and in general without getting the pinned ears and teeth she was never groomed by her previous owners or bathed .My mare has every vet check and it was all normal including blood work and x rays nothing was found to explain the behaviour . She was basically wild in a field before I got her maybe op horse could be the same . Everyone was worried 15 years old at some point in their life be nice guys.

 

[timefort]

I wasn’t going to post on this thread again.
I will say that F only showed his distress at home to me. He did not react to touch at all and I had to video him to show the vet.
When others saw him he seemed normal but when they had gone the discomfort was easily seen.

I find how horses react with different people really interesting. With my own (J) I can do pretty much anything with her. I'm told she is difficult to clip, yet I sit under her belly to clip while she falls asleep. A friend cannot groom her as she dances, pulls faces and hates being touched. For me she stands untied, droopy lipped and soft eyed, occasionally grooming me if I get the right spot. The exception to this is if I get the shedding blade out at which point she actively shoves the part of her needing a scratch in my face. The difference between my grooming and my friend is that the friend is adamant J doesn't like being touched, therefore is gentle and sort of darts in to wipe the brush on the surface and supplies multiple treats to try and distract her, whereas I think J is a dirty horse that's fat enough and needs a good scrub. Conversely, there have been occasions where I've discovered there was something amiss because J was prepared to "show" me what she masked for others.

Axe what I'm trying to say is that sadly people on the forum can't help you in your current situation. You need people who can see you and JJ and how you interact with each other. In the situation above my J could easily look like an ulcerous, in pain horse when the friend grooms yet actually she's reacting to the friend's odd body language and random treat distribution.

You're in a difficult situation and you've very bravely asked for help, but without seeing you and the horse no one can give you meaningful advice. It would be worth ( as someone suggested earlier) asking on local Facebook pages for recommendations for vets etc - it seems strange to me that you have such a limited choice of vet in what I thought was a relatively horsey area and some of the vets advice that you've posted does seem rather peculiar.

I don't post on here very often but I was moved by your post. I very much hope that you are able to get the help that you and your horse need. Horses are a steep learning curve and it's all the more difficult if you feel you don't have the capacity to be in control (through age, money, knowledge etc).