horse homeopathy? :)

[lazybee]

Oh but the presence of an ultra diluted substance makes the water molecules take on properties of that substance, obviously

Homeopathy is pretty insane. Herbal treatments can be effective - certainly many pharmaceuticals are analogs of natural compounds. The major concern with herbal medicines is that in many cases there is little evidence to support their efficacy in treating what they are sold to treat. More concerningly, in many cases they haven't been subjected to the rigorous safety and toxicity testing which pharmaceuticals have to pass before they are available. Sometimes people forget that natural does not mean safe!

Hooray, common sense at last.

Also when 'alternative medicine' is proven to work it's called...........medicine

 

[Booboos]

What about this one?
http://www.bahvs.com/vsact.htm

I just wonder if it is rubbish and it's perfectly legal to be a 'horse homeopathist' - why there aren't any around?

The Law prohibits anyone but a vet to provide prescriptions based on diagnosis and treatment. You will notice that at this site they very carefully use the words 'prescribe' and 'diagnosis'. If indeed you could diagnose a homeopathic need and prescribe homeopathic treatments then you would need to be a vet, but since homeopathy is totally ineffective it cannot be a treatment, it cannot respond to a medical need nor can it be the subject of a medical diagnosis.

This, on the part of both websites, is a total con. They misdescribe homeopathic water as requiring a prescription, then subtly divert the purpose of the law to suggest that it includes homeopathic prescriptions. As there are no such things as homeopathic prescriptions because there is no requirement to have a prescription to buy water, there is no requirement for homeopathy to be restricted to vets.

If it was illegal for anyone other than a vet to prescribe homeopathy, it would also be illegal to sell it without a prescription. If any of this were the case, i.e. only your vet can prescribe drugs but there is an exception for private owners, try asking your pharmacy for bute, penicilin or steroids for your own horse and see how far you get without a prescription.

 

[tallyho!]

i use homeopathy despite what all the experts on hho say...

and 'erbs... and smelleopathy and i talk to my animals and believe shoes are not necessary...

call me a dippy-hippy... I will still love you

Peace

 

[SarahRicoh]

I believe in herbs, msybe not so much homeopathy!
So can you be a horse homeopathist or not lol? :/

 

[BlackRider]

The law is quite straightforwards on this, only a vet can diagnose or prescribe.

A homeopathic remedy or a herbal remedy is still prescribing, so the answer is no...

I'm qualified in aromatherapy for animals, and would only work on an animal if the owner had permission from their vet - I also used to get the owner to sign a form to say they had their vets permission too.

 

[SarahRicoh]

Thankyou.. Maybe thats why i never see anyone using homeopathy etc

 

[Tankey]

Only a fully qualified homeopath can prescribe and treat homeopathically. It is illegal for a non qualified person to.

Open your minds, of course homeopathy works

 

[FestiveBoomBoom]

I know someone who has a homeopathy 'degree'! I take it from these posts that it's not a real degree!?

 

[Tankey]

I know someone who has a homeopathy 'degree'! I take it from these posts that it's not a real degree!?

Nah, just four years training.....

 

[JFTDWS]

Open your minds, of course homeopathy works

By whose criteria?!

I'd rather my brain didn't fall out, thanks...

 

[lazybee]

I'm off for a few pints of homeopathic lager.......potent stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

 

[Oberon]

I'm off for a few pints of homeopathic lager.......potent stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

 

[JFTDWS]

I'm off for a few pints of homeopathic lager.......potent stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

I love David Mitchell

 

[SarahRicoh]

Hmm clearly not many hhoers agree with homeopathy lol

 

[Booboos]

Only a fully qualified homeopath can prescribe and treat homeopathically. It is illegal for a non qualified person to.

Open your minds, of course homeopathy works

OK I admit to prescribing homeopathic treatments in the UK and not being a vet, go ahead and sue me...

- firstly you need to get hold of my prescription...but there isn't one because you don't need a prescription in order to buy water.

- then you get a warrant to examine what I prescribed, you take the aforementioned substance to the lab...and discover it's water. Go ahead sue me for giving water to a horse.

- so you then look at horse welfare and try to identify all the terrible effects my treatment had on the horse (seeing as I am not 'qualified' in homeopathy), but it kind of turns out that water is harmless so you can't prove harm either.




Go on someone sue me, please - happy to provide personal details over PM. Off to e-mail Ben Goldacre now.

 

[JFTDWS]

- so you then look at horse welfare and try to identify all the terrible effects my treatment had on the horse (seeing as I am not 'qualified' in homeopathy), but it kind of turns out that water is harmless so you can't prove harm either.

Unless you drown it?

I love Ben Goldacre too

 

[little_critter]

Feral horses forage for different plants and will actively seek out what they need.

My mare has liver issues and I feed her a herbal de-tox supplement which contains burdock.
Interestingly when out hacking she makes a beeline for burdock, even though at the moment it's just nasty looking dried twigs.
Maybe she knows it's doing her good.

 

[Oberon]

My mare has liver issues and I feed her a herbal de-tox supplement which contains burdock.
Interestingly when out hacking she makes a beeline for burdock, even though at the moment it's just nasty looking dried twigs.
Maybe she knows it's doing her good.

They're much smarter than we give them credit for

But then we insult them with a bucket full of crap covered in sugar...aka 'conditioning cubes'

Who's the dumb creature now?

 

[lazybee]

Unless you drown it?

I love Ben Goldacre too

I feel like I drowning in something brown

I've got Ben Goldacre's book, 'Bad science' I like what he says about so called 'de-tox' too

 

[JFTDWS]

I feel like I drowning in something brown

I've got Ben Goldacre's book, 'Bad science'

Lovely

It's a fun book I stalk him on twitter

 

[little_critter]

I feel like I drowning in something brown

I've got Ben Goldacre's book, 'Bad science' I like what he says about so called 'de-tox' too

Just in cast that was aimed at me - the de-tox supplement I give my mare was suggested by my vet and backed up by the specialist.

 

[howsthat]

I have used homeopathy for many years,from the 80s,as our vet was very very interested in it.So as it is" a placebo" how come it can excelerate healing,clear up chronic skin problems,stop spasmodic colic,help with sweet itch when all else failed,oh and is brilliant for
laminitis???.oh and when my dear Mum had her many orthopaedic ops and took Arnica tablets in to the hospital with her why did the consultant call all the other consultants and nursing staff to look at the unprecedented healing of the op site????A mention of homeopathy on H+H forums seems to generate an awful lot of sarcasm,but animals do not know what theyare being given so how come they heal and get better??For those interested try Homeopathy for Horses written by Tim Couzens BVet MED MRCVS VETMFHom CertVetAc

 

[Oberon]

I have used homeopathy for many years,from the 80s,as our vet was very very interested in it.So as it is" a placebo" how come it can excelerate healing,clear up chronic skin problems,stop spasmodic colic,help with sweet itch when all else failed,oh and is brilliant for
laminitis???.oh and when my dear Mum had her many orthopaedic ops and took Arnica tablets in to the hospital with her why did the consultant call all the other consultants and nursing staff to look at the unprecedented healing of the op site????A mention of homeopathy on H+H forums seems to generate an awful lot of sarcasm,but animals do not know what theyare being given so how come they heal and get better??

BURN THE WITCH

I've seen the same extreme reaction on forums before. It always surprises me.

Live and let live

 

[ozpoz]

i have used homeopathy for around 30 years for my family and animals. I don't think I am lacking in common sense!

My vet is qualified in homeopathy, and one of the GP's at work is also qualified in homeopathy (another 3 years of study after 7 years of study). According to him, homeopathy has greater success than a placebo in tests. Both of theses practitioners are deeply convinced of the benefits of medicine which can bring relief as well as being entirely without adverse side effects and will prescribe it either as the sole form of medicine or in conjunction with mainstream drugs.

Some homeopathic medicines are prescription only, other home remedies, such as arnica, are not.

 

[Booboos]

Pointing out that homeopathy is different from herbal remedies is not an extreme, irrational reaction, it's stating a fact, which proponents of these approaches should really have known already.

Arnica cream is based on a herb so not homeopathy.
Not sure what's in arnica tablets, but anything that is in tablet form cannot be homeopathy - homeopathy is super dilluted water, it only comes in liquid form according to its own standards of what it is supposed to be!

 

[ozpoz]

Erm. Booboos - maybe have a look at some homeopathic manufacturers websites ( e.g. Weleda ) as your information is incorrect.

 

[SusannaF]

Pointing out that homeopathy is different from herbal remedies is not an extreme, irrational reaction, it's stating a fact, which proponents of these approaches should really have known already.

Arnica cream is based on a herb so not homeopathy.
Not sure what's in arnica tablets, but anything that is in tablet form cannot be homeopathy - homeopathy is super dilluted water, it only comes in liquid form according to its own standards of what it is supposed to be!

Homeopathic cures come in pill form too.

 

[JFTDWS]

Howsthat, how is it then that despite the anecdotal evidence, homeopathy fails to out perform a placebo in almost all well designed scientific studies

 

[Lolo]

I always wonder if that means I've essentially been treating myself with poo every time I drink water which hasn't been sterilised. Because if water has a memory, surely it'll remember that at some point a load of sewage has been mixed up with it...

Alternative medicine which works is called medicine. It's then generally made into a man-made version of the stuff as this is cheaper and allows for mass production. Homoeopathy is a placebo, and doesn't work on horses in my experience. Things like magnetic rugs, herbs and natural mixes do and so we use them... But Reggie doses himself up with some homoeopathic stuff every time he drinks from the stream- all sorts of plants and things have been in there

 

[Tharg]

Homeopathy is a load of bull, I would never use a vet that think it works.