Horse mutilation

[YorksG]

There are, sadly, some people who claim to be satanists, not druids, not pagans, celts etc. I have no idea why they claim to be satanists or if they believe in this as a religeon. In the main, I believe, that they claim this belief as it gives them licence to behave very badly, while claiming it is their religeon.

 

[FionaM12]

I wouldn't read too much into "weird stuff like Old Speckled Hen and real ale etc". I'm off to our local folk music club shortly, real ale and beards all round.

Haha! As a one-time regular at various folk festivals, with many "hippy-type" and CAMRA friends I was thinking, "What's weird about about Old Speckled Hen and real ales?"

 

[orionstar]

I'm just about to tell my OH that he is a Hippy before he drinks that bottle of Old Speckled Hen. And i'm pleased that the teenagers round here ar'nt swallowing prescription drugs and alcohol stolen from someone. I'm not going to impart my knowlege of the Occult as it would take all day and far more patience than I have, suffice to say there is ritualistic slaughter of animals in almost every religion, bar the ones where it is forbidden, but this never involves randomly selecting an animal in a field, so I would put my money on a personal vendetta or a very sick local who does it for kicks.

 

[TrasaM]

Poor OP..starts by asking who's experienced strange acts of vandalism and ends up with a debate on hippies and pagans... Sorry, can't write any more as I need to go and eviscerate my cat..she's black and White but the book says to use a black one..but short notice so black and White it is.

 

[Moon]

Sorry i had to laugh, my oh loves real ales. Hes 26 and most definitely not a gippy, hes actually a tree surgeon so i have seen him weilding a chainsaw and mass murdering trees...

 

[Moon]

Even better hes a gippy not a hippy. stupid phone

 

[mandwhy]

That is just awful OP whatever reason they have and very sorry to hear it, you must be so worried.

I don't know why everyone finds the idea that this could be someone's ritual so ridiculous? Obviously it is not the pagan/wiccan folk who are generally pleasant and celebrate mother nature, but could be someone who claims to follow some sort of 'religion'. I don't know what the term occult covers really but maybe the OP has misused it from people's reactions.

In a village near me there were a lot of pet cats and a few small dogs going missing. A lot of them were found in the cemetery hung up from trees or their blood and body parts strewn in patterns on the ground. I don't doubt whoever did this is seriously disturbed/mentally ill, but I would imagine they thought they were following some sort of ritual. I really hope they found that person as it is very very disconcerting to think that someone like that is living amongst us?!

Also I remember being told at school of a really horrendous horse mutilation that resulted in the animal bleeding to death (before you ask I have confirmed it was true). There were some objects found at the scene that I won't list because it is so sickening.

There are some seriously weird people out there :-(

 

[Queenbee]

Ha ha I can't quote but SM: your post re flute had me thinking of American Pie: 'there was this one time, when I was at band camp..' ha ha ha!

Trasa m: no op came on here talking about mutilation and pointing the finger at the occult??!! No, I do not have to feel sorry for her/him in that respect?! I do however feel incredibly sorry that he/she and horses have been the victims of brutal attacks and hope to god the perpetrators are found and charged

 

[Oldenburg27]

My old mare was stabbed in her chest 3 times ( but that was by someone who was a *******)

 

[Pale Rider]

As a fan of 'Old Speckled Hen' and other subversive brews from the Wychwood brewery amongst others, I have to plead guilty to being a bit wierd, he he. Not a Christian either, a keen interest in Paganism though which I find a kinder less 'manufactured' belief. Not at all part of what is laughingly called the 'Occult'. Flute playing is also on the list, 'Songs from the Wood' a real favourite.
The disturbing events you describe, is certainly nothing to do with the beer drinking flute playng pagan types I know.

 

[jonisaigon]

I dont want to offend anybody and I am not saying whoever has done this knows what they are doing or have any certain beliefs , it may be as someone has already posted, some clown who has simply read a book or seen a f ilm and has just put their own slant on it.
The haylage slashing was very weird , The bales had been left in the field because the land was so wet and these idiots systematically slashed 66 out of 70 of them wading into 18 in of water to do some of them they left four not touched but went to great legnths to do all the others.
i can understand people with certain beliefs flying back at me and saying they wouldnt do things like this but I am not saying these guys are representative of anyone just may be they have seen to many films.
My neighbour has seen people lighting fires down there and people photographing themselves naked!
The mare that had its vulva slashed would be the only one in the mare band that would let anyone near her , she has only ever been a broodmare and is used to being scanned and inseminated etc , she also had an inverted teat and I have to strip her out in the field regularly to check her, the foal was speared in the field into her neck , we only just saved her. I am not being dramatic and I am not saying anything for definate but this is more than a string of coincidences and as I have said any obviosus explanations dont stack up.

 

[Jim Moriarty]

Anyone else enjoy Jackanory as a child?

 

[fburton]

By the way I am not a religous nut case I have no religion at all.

But you have superstition, right?

As Sherlock Holmes said, "... when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...".

Yes, but this implies that the probable has also been eliminated. It isn't an argument for favouring improbable over more probable, simpler explanations.

Anyone else enjoy Jackanory as a child?

Yup, watched it religiously.

 

[Silvermiyazawa]

Ha ha I can't quote but SM: your post re flute had me thinking of American Pie: 'there was this one time, when I was at band camp..' ha ha ha!

NO!! As a flute player for 27 years I have had this comment before, a knowing raised eyebrow and little grin usually suffices! I hurriedly add I never have, although I have on occasions threatened conductors with sticking it somewhere.......sideways!


When we got to the pub last night, the two beers on were "Hobgoblin" and "Halloween"......

OP, I'm very sorry for your experiences and as others have said I hope the culprits are found and brought to justice.

 

[Queenbee]

NO!! As a flute player for 27 years I have had this comment before, a knowing raised eyebrow and little grin usually suffices! I hurriedly add I never have, although I have on occasions threatened conductors with sticking it somewhere.......sideways!


When we got to the pub last night, the two beers on were "Hobgoblin" and "Halloween"......

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love it

 

[Spudlet]

Since when was drinking Old Speckled Hen weird? I mean, it shows a distinct lack of taste because everyone knows that Adnams is far superior, but not actively weird?

I hope that the perpetrators are found, but making lazy generalisations is more likely to hinder than help this I'd have thought - if your suspicions are based on no more than looking at people's shaving habits and their booze choices then you're really not narrowing things down much.

 

[jonisaigon]

What I meant by the real ale stuff is that I dont think kids tend to drink it and as such it adds weight to it being something a bit more sinister, not just kids messing around, I dont mean that drinking Old Speckled hen makes you into a knife weilding maniac, probably quite the opposite.
what I mean is I think it means I can rule out kids because may be Im wrong but generally kids drink Stella , Cider , Wkd etc dont they?
I am not generalising with that I just think it unlikely for kids to drink that stuff.
I am quite prepared to accept that I am wrong

 

[TrasaM]

Ha ha I can't quote but SM: your post re flute had me thinking of American Pie: 'there was this one time, when I was at band camp..' ha ha ha!

Trasa m: no op came on here talking about mutilation and pointing the finger at the occult??!! No, I do not have to feel sorry for her/him in that respect?! I do however feel incredibly sorry that he/she and horses have been the victims of brutal attacks and hope to god the perpetrators are found and charged

QB. You are of course correct. I misread..so she did..how strange to think it could be linked with the occult. But then it's not unusual for people who hold different beliefs to get blamed when weird things like this happen. I echo your thoughts..I hope they get caught. Was anyone ever got for the attacks last year in the south west and wales. I remember reading about the young Freisian who was slaughtered in his field but never heard if anyone got caught for it. truly horrific.

 

[bex1984]

I always find evidence of drugs (pescription drug packets) and alcohol ,(always weird stuff like Old speckled hen and real ales) Kids dont drink that stuff do they? Hippy types do ??

LOL! You've gotta watch those hippy type real ale drinkers, they're trouble

Seriously, it sounds like you've got someone with a drug and alcohol problem, and likely associated mental health issues.

 

[FionaM12]

QB. You are of course correct. I misread..so she did..how strange to think it could be linked with the occult.

Yes it seems strange to me too. However whenever these upsetting (sometime true, sometimes not ) stories of horses being attacked in fields come out, there are always lots of people who start to suggest religious rituals. The full moon's usually mentioned, sometimes Halloween...

Personally I think some people have active imaginations, and maybe enjoy a good conspiracy yarn. Weren't there a few sad cases on HHO in the last year which vets eventually said were natural causes after all, only for the conspiracy theorists to decide the vets were in on it?

 

[TrasaM]

Personally I believe it Aliens.after they're finished making corn circles they get bored waiting for the spaceship to come back and decide to attack a few animals.

 

[misterjinglejay]

Um.....where to start? So many good posts on this thread

I and my OH are both practising pagans - he does druid/shamanic/magik stuff, and I do witchy/chaotic/magiky things. Neither of us would class each other as black or white (I deplore such terms suggesting white is good and black is evil hmmm.....that leads us down roads I certainly don't want to tread). We do what we do.

EmsHooper's posts sum up paganism very well. We are not anti christian, and do not do the opposite of christianity. IMO that still makes one a christian, as you have to follow the word of god, in order to turn it around and do the reverse.
We respect people's choices of religion - each to their own.

We, nor anyone we know, or know of, would ever harm an animal. If we use blood, we use our own and Never, ever take what isn't ours.
In magikal terms (and I'm probably going to put the cat among the pigeons, so to speak), but any harm done to a living thing would negate completely any magikal angle one was hoping to achieve.

Yes, as with anything, you do get misguided/mixed up individuals (maybe youths) who get carried away - whether they've played a video game, read a book, watched a film, drunk from the Old Speckled Hen, or Fursty Ferretetc, but you cannot tar the rest of the community with the same brush.

Please get your facts straight before spouting off, OP.

 

[SadKen]

I think the OP meant more your Aleister Crowley/Golden Dawn/Satanism (I could specify the differences but would run out of room so have put them all together!) when she put Occult (as indicated when someone said 'the reverse of Christianity' which Satanism surely is. I wouldn't say that Paganism/Wicca etc falls within the bracket of 'Occult' as most people in society see it. After all, society as a whole see occultism as something to be feared, and wouldn't know specifically what falls within that bracket and what doesn't. Hollywood (a strong influence on society) certainly makes use of it to engender fear for horror films etc.

As someone else said, I think there's certainly a possibility of a ritual element to some of these attacks. If you read what blood sacrifice means to some less palatable elements out there, and the power of negative energy as opposed to positive, there is no reason to doubt that Satanists (and other branches, without meaning to be technical) might attack horses and other animals for ritual purposes. Horses have strong potency in some of the Nordic religions. Indeed, we used to bury horses (and other animals) with people in prehistoric times in the UK. Blood sacrifice has been known throughout the ages as a powerful element of ritual from the Romans to the Celts and beyond.

Wicca and Paganism have nothing to do with this sort of atrocity. At least not in my experience!

 

[FionaM12]

What the OP describes just sounds like plain old vandalism to me. Possibly by someone with a grudge, who realised that by slashing all the haylage bales they'd succeed in destroying the whole crop.

The attacks on the horses, although vile, don't to me suggest "a ritual".

If indeed any of it's true. Please don't be offended, OP, but this is the internet, we're all aware that a lot of what we read isn't true and this whole thread could be a wind-up, to get a debate going about hippy type Speckled-Hen-drinking satanists and their evil acts.

If it's true, then I'm very sorry indeed that these awful things are happening to you and your animals. But I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions and running away with wild ideas, I don't think it will help you or them.

 

[Queenbee]

QB. You are of course correct. I misread..so she did..how strange to think it could be linked with the occult. But then it's not unusual for people who hold different beliefs to get blamed when weird things like this happen. I echo your thoughts..I hope they get caught. Was anyone ever got for the attacks last year in the south west and wales. I remember reading about the young Freisian who was slaughtered in his field but never heard if anyone got caught for it. truly horrific.

I don't think so, I know that the cornwall one was 'strongly suspected' to be vendetta based and that the owner had a reputation so sad though, poor horse.

 

[jonisaigon]

I m not interested in everybodys so called expertise in the occult , paganism, witchcraft, satanism and everything else everyone seems to think it is funny to spout on about. I am simply saying that I suspect that this acts have been carried out by some individual or individuals that have some different motives to what you would expect.
I cant believe how many of you horse lovers seem to be showing no sympathy or empathy for me as an owner and some people seem to have no thought at all for the animals involved and choose to trip me up on the choice of terminology I have used to provide some cheap laughs.
So far I have yet to see the funny side and I am grateful to some of the people who have private messaged me and do seem to know what they are talking about and do agree with some of my observations and thought process.
As I have said all along I dont KNOW for sure what is happening I simply suspect, I havent pointed the finger at anyone I just wanted to know if anyone has or is experiencing similar incidents.

 

[Fairynuff]

I know it may seem laughable but you wouldnt laugh if i showed you the pictures of my horse injured in a ritualistic way the foal as though they had tried to slaughter it and the mare carved around its genitalia, been through all the kids with knives theories etc, and it doesnt stack up. the fences get cut from top to bottom right next to gates that would be perfectly easy to open as thiough some hippy type doesnt agree with enclosure or land ownership, As for a vendetta against me , no , it happens to other peiople in the area and un beknown to me it was happening on the land before I bought it. I know it seems far fetched but 66 of my haylage bales were slashed open( an act that would have taken at least an hour and half ) on the harvest festival its as though they have to ruin the crops when the church is celebrating them,
By the way I am not a religous nut case I have no religion at all.

'hippy type?' Wow, we've not only got satanists, we've got hippies too! Try perverts and vandals, you might be nearer the truth.

 

[jodie3]

I thankfully have no experience of horse mutilation but I do find it hard to believe that even a well handled brood mare would stand for a painful, viscious attack without either booting the person wielding the knife or running for the hills after the first slash.

I do know that horses are very good at coming in from the field with injuries that you often cannot work out how they did to themselves and I truly hope this is what has happened to the OP's horses and it isn't someone deranged or bearing a grudge.

The haylage bales coupled with the drugs and alcohol found sound like vandalism or again a grudge.

I hope you get it sorted and your horses recover.

 

[misterjinglejay]

I think the OP meant more your Aleister Crowley/Golden Dawn/Satanism (I could specify the differences but would run out of room so have put them all together!) when she put Occult (as indicated when someone said 'the reverse of Christianity' which Satanism surely is. I wouldn't say that Paganism/Wicca etc falls within the bracket of 'Occult' as most people in society see it. After all, society as a whole see occultism as something to be feared, and wouldn't know specifically what falls within that bracket and what doesn't. Hollywood (a strong influence on society) certainly makes use of it to engender fear for horror films etc.

As someone else said, I think there's certainly a possibility of a ritual element to some of these attacks. If you read what blood sacrifice means to some less palatable elements out there, and the power of negative energy as opposed to positive, there is no reason to doubt that Satanists (and other branches, without meaning to be technical) might attack horses and other animals for ritual purposes. Horses have strong potency in some of the Nordic religions. Indeed, we used to bury horses (and other animals) with people in prehistoric times in the UK. Blood sacrifice has been known throughout the ages as a powerful element of ritual from the Romans to the Celts and beyond.

Wicca and Paganism have nothing to do with this sort of atrocity. At least not in my experience!

Occult means secret.

I follow Crowley/Isreal Regardie/Golden Dawn - hence I spell magik with a 'k' - you cannot bracket it with satanism in any way, shape or form!

As I said, if we use blood, we use or own, as do Odinists, Fenrites, and other norse followers.

 

[jrp204]

I don't think so, I know that the cornwall one was 'strongly suspected' to be vendetta based and that the owner had a reputation so sad though, poor horse.

Another incident the injuries were caused post mortem.