horse on loan

[ghostie]

You could ask the police for a photocopy of the passport immediately as you need to make arrangements for the horse. I would use the details to check the horse isn't stolen and if you can get in touch with previous owners. Hopefully they can fill you in on the.horse's history which will help you find it the most appropriate home once you have the passport back to enable you to sell. Good luck.

 

[x-di-x]

Ok. - You have bought the horse - received the passport. If the previous owner os not listed as a dealer - no obligation to take back. so you sell. (you may even make some money)

Car chase?? You've had this horse nearly a month, the car chase happened within a week of you owning said horse, passport in the car and police won't release??

If your sister is the legal owner of the car, even if the police require to keep the car for forensic reasons, (which would probably be the only reason they are keeping the car) they would still allow the owner of the car to collect personal belongings from the car - especially legal documents such as passports.

even if the car has been damaged and is a write off or if the car has been seized due to no insurance/mot etc, personal documents will still be released from the car. It is very very strange as to why this has not happened for your sister.

The horse cannot be sold without the passport, and I assume that as it was still in your sisters car a week after the purchase of the horse, your details have not yet been changed with the issuing authority.

I strongly suggest that your sister contacts the police station as a matter of urgency and speaks with the investigating officer, and requests that this document is returned to her asap. You then get the details changed and then and only then you can sell. Incidentally the passport with have details of the old owner - perhaps you could try and trace her that way.

but i'm very concerned as to why the police will not let you have car back/passport .................................

 

[HeatherAnn]

Whereabouts in Liverpool are you?
Not really buying your story tbh.
If it is true then this woman needs more time. She did text you saying she'd sort it so stop harassing her.

 

[OWLIE185]

Troll or a good fairy story!

 

[benson21]

Clip clop clippety clop!!!!!

 

[Natz88]

Cuppa anyone?

OP if this is true, just put it down to bad experience, get the passport back & sell the horse. & if you do get another horse take someone with experience

 

[margiegran]

I know, sounds far fetched but that is the truth, my sisters car is a gigh powered estate
and the police said they are very popular among thieves for obvious reasons, big fast cars
y would i make a story like that up

 

[margiegran]

? asking for advice, not some sarcastic remark

 

[margiegran]

truth, havent got the time to make stories up

 

[margiegran]

Im from walton, not harrasing her at all, she just hangs up on us,we have only got the livery til sunday, dont you think lack of communication is a bit odd and the false address, wouldnt you start to panic,

 

[margiegran]

shes 16hh was a dressage, shes 11yrs old, wev been told shes cross tb irish drought

 

[flying solo]

If this is genuine then the woman clearly has no intention of taking the horse back unfortunately it's your own fault. These things happen its now upto you to provide livery for 'your' horse and find a suitable buyer who can deal with this poor mare. Good luck, sounds like you need it!

 

[Irishbabygirl]

I don't think you're a troll, but think you need to realise that you legally own the horse now. No need to panic. Either enjoy her or sell her. She sounds a nice type.

 

[Amy567]

Why 'was' she a dressage horse? Has she had an injury? Could be why she was so cheap. But she sounds nice and sounds like you've had a run of bad luck lately! If you took her to auction, I'm sure she'd sell just fine if you can't handle her well enough/don't get on with her enough to sell her yourself

 

[Loopypony]

Why would you start to panic if you've purchased the horse?

This horse is now YOUR responsibility, not the woman whom you bought him off. If you really don't get on with the horse then get the passport back and sell to someone more experienced. I don't really understand the difficulty in the situation?!

 

[Irishbabygirl]

Also, if you do sell her, can someone on your livery yard help you sell her if your not confident enough yourself? Saves putting her through the ring.

 

[x-di-x]

Not having a go just trying to understand everything so I can give you advice.

firstly:

You say you only have livery till Sunday, why?? if things had worked out with this horse, what were your intentions after Sunday? where were you going to keep the horse? I ask this because we need to get something sorted for you until the horse is sold.

Secondly:

It doesn't matter what type of car it is, that is no reason for the police to keep it impounded. and regardless the police CANNOT stop your sister retrieving the documents from the car (i.e. passport) to enable you to sell/move the horse.

Solutions:

You have asked us for advice, which we are willing to give, but we need to get facts straight to ensure that the advice we give you is going to help not hinder you. Please bear this in mind.

We need to sort out livery for the horse.... which is why I have asked the above question, if you could please respond to this - then we can reply to that point.

I cannot stress how inportant it is that your sister contacts the police to access this horse passport. It is against the law to transport a horse without a passport, likewise it is against the law to sell a horse with out a passport - so we can't even get that one underway. The police have no reason (unless your not telling us the whole story) to hold onto this passport. Your sister will probably need to attend to the vehicle recovery specialist (who recovered the car) with her V5 to prove she owns the car and they will let her collect her belongings. your sister should also at the very least have an incident number. she should call the police's non emergency line NOW with this (or crime no if she has it) and a) ask where her vehicle has been taken, b) ask how long they will have it c) advise that she has a doc in the car (passport) That she urgently requries as horse being sold and this is legally required to do that.

Providing your story regarding the car is as you say it is - the police WILL be forthcoming with this info and she can realisticly (depending on her schedule today) have the passport by teatime today.

Once you have the passport.. you can draft an ad for the horse, get some good photo's explain that you bought the horse, but it turned out that he was not suitable for your requirements. - also detail if he';s passed any recent vetting etc. You may also want to consider transferring him to a yard that does sales livery. so he can be ridden before being sold.

Please understand, that noone here is having a go at you, but we are trying to get to the facts so we can offer constructive advice and support. But also we have become suspicious of late as there does appear to be a lot of posters exaggerating/making up stories to get attention. and as such, until facts are explained clearly and concisely we remain suspisious.

Also I am not trying to say that any part of your post is made up or unture but in my occupation, I deal with alot of If's Buts and maybes, lots of apparently's and allegedlies. and this is how I tend to word my replies. .

 

[TrakehnerFilly]

What yard do you have her on currently, pm if you prefer. I am originally from that area and still know people on the yards around there who maybe able to help you with her and help sell her for you. She may just be unsettled with all the changes happening recently and maybe a good prospect even if too much horse for you. I can't help but feel sorry for her if she is about to be passed on yet again. I would forget about sending her back and do your best to sell her yourself honestly advertised and find her a loving suitable home who will be better for her.

Save yourself and the horse some stress and forget about the previous owner and just try and rehome yourself. You will probably get your money back this way without having to hassle this other woman, and please avoid sales, doesn't sound like a fair deal for the poor horse, it isn't her fault after all.

 

[EmmasMummy]

OP,

Given that the seller sounds a bit dodgy......can you post a pic of the horse as it could poss be a stolen/missing on loan horse - or it could just simply be a problem horse.

 

[margiegran]

sorry, just spoke to my sister, we paid for tilly it was 12/2, she was delivered to the livery on 13/2, so we paid the 2weeks until the end off the month , then my sister has p.aid another full month, I didnt realise this. my sister has no intention off not paying , as our priority is tilly. my sister is sorting out the passport, we have had a vet out ourselves and she is fine. I think you mentioned a yard she could go to where they will put her right and sell her to someone who will love her, we do realise we are completley out our league,

 

[margiegran]

I will post a pic, she is a lovely natured mare, we think she just needs a more advanced rider than we are, she just tries it on and we havnt got the knowledge or experience to bring her back into work

 

[margiegran]

you are saying what my sister intends to do, the deadline for the month is sunday as my sister said what will happen to tilly, will she just palm her on to somebody else who might not be so worried about her and just send her to auction. we have put her on loads of vitamins and she loves the livery in widnes, they have a horse walker which she goes in.
since we have had her shes lost weight and looks more muscluar

 

[Paris1]

What does she do that makes her her difficult for you?

 

[margiegran]

hi yes she was a dressage and the owner bought her off her own sister as she was emigrating. she has had a stifle injury but that was fine when we bought her and our own vet said shes okay. we think helen hardly rode her and tilly is so used to getting her own way, but she is so sweet in the stable, will stand for hours while you fiddle about, we will make sure she is okay as we still have not heard from helen

 

[margiegran]

we are not panicking, we are just worried maybe silly too trusting. this is our first horse and we thought we were buying a happy hacker. we will keep her and sell her to someone who will appreciate her, if the previous owner did show up on sunday she might not find 2 KIND mugs next time

 

[margiegran]

she is a very strong horse and when your in the arena with her she will walk trot and canter for you on her terms, then she stops dead and spins, iv had 2 bad falls which have resulted in cracked ribs. I just think we havent got a clue and would only do more damage. we were going to have riding lessons at the livery but staff have said shes too much horse for us

 

[HeatherAnn]

Surely if the horse had these issues you'd have noticed after the several times you went to try the horse. IMO you've made a very careless mistake and unless you have things in writing, eg if the horse isn't suitable said lady will take it back, then you don't really have a leg to stand on tbh.

 

[Paris1]

It happens. Ty putting an add in the lOcal horse press and sell on honestly. Personally o would try to do a quick check to see if his horse is stolen, though it is probably just being passed on as it's difficult.

 

[kp31]

"Surely if the horse had these issues you'd have noticed after the several times you went to try the horse. IMO you've made a very careless mistake and unless you have things in writing, eg if the horse isn't suitable said lady will take it back, then you don't really have a leg to stand on tbh"

How is any of that a helpful statement for this lady? They clearly realise they have over horsed themselves and need some advice of where to go next as plenty of others have managed to advise them. Plenty of far more experienced people have made this mistake and i am sure they don't want someone telling them what a "careless mistake" they have made.

Can you not get any help from the yard as to where to sell her or could they not ride her for you and get her going so she is in a reasonable fitness level to be sold. Failing that there are those dealers that will take on a problem horse to sell, you may not get back what you paid for her but they will be in a better position to sell a horse with issues and there is no comeback on you then, which i am sure you don't want. They aren't all bad dealers and i have known people that the horses have gone on to great homes, they just haven't been suitable for that rider.

As you are on a yard now they may be able to go with you to buy another one so you have some guidance as to what you are looking for and that you aren't in this situation again.

 

[Irishbabygirl]

You'll be fine - just put an advert up, be completely honest to whoever calls and take it from there