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After some discussion on how terrible it is on other forums, someone (a friend of mine) has set up a pledge that will get to the PM once a certain amount of people have signed the petiton. I know its not going to be the end, so do we all, but if we all do our little part, maybe something will eventually be done about the horiffic act of slaughter.

Here is the plegde set up by someone who feels strongly about this. It would be much appreciated if you could sign
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http://www.pledgebank.com/protecthorses

Here are some photos for those of you that would like to look...

http://www.hfa.org/photo/horse_slaughterhouse.html
http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/horse-meat-03.html
http://www.hfa.org/photo/horse_auctions.html

And the petition on the official website that some of you may also like to sign.

http://www.britishhorseslaughter.org/pages/petition.asp

I say horses in this post, but it happens to all animals, i know, but this one is going to the PM about poor, innocent horses.

Please do sign the petitions if you would like to. It may help start to get something done about the dreadful way these poor animals have to die.

Thanks to all that sign.
 
I fully support horse slaughter - I can not think of anything worse for the horses than it going offshore.
 
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Are you saying you aggree with horse slaughter? As in it should happen? Would be interested to hear your reasons
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I completely agree with you GTs.

What a bad day it was for the States when they changed the law there. What an horrendous day it will be for the UK if the law is changed there too.

Poor, poor horses. I just cannot understand how blinkered these people are and it saddens me.
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I have to back GT's up here & well done to being the 1st post to say it.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with horse slaughter if done correctly like cows, sheep, pigs, ect.... Do you want to ban all slaughter houses.
Yes some of them horses were in a poor state & some of them pics were from the states! Not the UK. Those horses that were in a poor condition have been put out off a lifeof suffering.
Even if I won the lottery there would be know way I could save every suffering hore in this country.
If the horses have been "farmed" for meet & kept in correct conditions like cows, sheep, ect.. Then what is wrong with that.
Horse meat actually tastes very good & has very little fat on it.
Salami & pepperoni if made correctly is actually horse meat just look at the redness of the meat thet is a tyrue giveaway.
If you get rid of the few horse slaughter houses that do exsit them more horses will suffer for it. What do you plan that happens to the horse that go to these slaughter houses??
Please dont think I am getting at you as I am not everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I am a pro hunter & have friends you are anti yet we dont fight over it when we get together. We both understand how the other feels & respects that.
 
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I completely agree with you GTs.

What a bad day it was for the States when they changed the law there. What an horrendous day it will be for the UK if the law is changed there too.

Poor, poor horses. I just cannot understand how blinkered these people are and it saddens me.
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I agree too
 
Sorry, I cant even look. Will get OH to sign for me.
A few years ago I tried to take on the meat men single handed at our local monthly horse auction. I learnt so many horrid and frightening facts. The horse meat trade is BIG business making alot of money. The auctioneers were working alongside the meat traders by throwing in pretend bids etc and running bidders up. There are usually around 400 horses and ponies go through the mart each month .... do you know that '3 out of 4' horses there go for meat (this is prior to passports being introduced). I also learnt that you dont mess with these people!
I tried to buy an 18.2hh 2 year old shire gelding with a leg problem, long story. I was intimidated to such a degree that I didnt go for a long time, now only occasionally to buy stable equipment.
I e-mailed Linda McCartneys organisation, Carla Lane, BHS etc. No joy. I truly hope from the bottom of my heart that if enough people do something ... something will get done.
 
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Couldn't agree more GTs.....every one of those horses at those auctions should have been put out of their misery a long time before those pics were taken.....and it's the slaughter houses that facilitate this. Alot of horses that end up there do so for a reason...illness,temperament issues,injury,age...and so the list goes on.

Taking away the option of slaughter for such horses only prolongs their suffering,which anyone who looks beyond images used for propoganda will see.
 
Do you mean humane?
If so then I agree that the conditions for these horses could do with being improved - but banning it won't make it better for the horses, it will make it a whole lot worse!
 
It is picking the lesser of 2 evils. I would love horses to be owned by wealthy loving people who will take care of them until they die - but that is not going to happen. The US where I live wants to ban it, however I think it will do 2 disastrous things for horses:

1) Slaughter is a cheaper effective way to dispose of a horse. Many people in America can not afford the $900 opportunity cost to put a horse down, so this becomes their means of doing it. Without slaughter what is going to happen to these horses, more than likely they will be abandoned in their field and left to die of natural causes.

2) A certain amount of horse slaughter will go to Mexico - now we can not control them and it will be an unregulated industry; the conditions the horses die in and what they go through will be so much worse. Regardless of what we do, there will always be a demand for horsemeat - lets keep the ball in out court, that way we can control the play!

What I would like to happen - build 40 more slaughter houses, that way the horses will only travel 4-6 hours to one. Mandate water and feed requirements for traveling, and have the horses slaughtered in the nicest possible way. Take them out of the trailer 1 at a time into the barn, and shoot them. This would really mean the horse will die no real different way then if it was at a good home.

If they did that - I would happily take my horses there!

Shutting down horse slaughter is a feel good measure - but is not in the horses best interest.
 
I aggree kayleigh...here is a bit about Horse slaughter...

Most horses destined for slaughter are sold at livestock auctions or sales. The cruelty of horse slaughter is not limited to the act of killing the animals. Horses bound for slaughter are shipped, frequently for long distances, in a manner that fails to accommodate their unique temperaments. They are usually not rested, fed, or watered during travel. Economics, not humane considerations, dictate the conditions, including crowding as many horses into trucks as possible.

Often, terrified horses and ponies are crammed together and transported to slaughter in double-deck trucks designed for cattle and pigs. The truck ceilings are so low that the horses are not able to hold their heads in a normal, balanced position. Inappropriate floor surfaces lead to slips and falls, and sometimes even trampling. Some horses arrive at the slaughterhouse seriously injured or dead. Although transportation accidents have largely escaped public scrutiny, several tragic incidents involving collapsed upper floors and overturned double-deckers have caused human fatalities, as well as suffering and death for the horses.


Under federal law, horses are required to be rendered unconscious prior to slaughter, usually with a device called a captive bolt gun, which shoots a metal rod into the horse's brain. Some horses, however, are improperly stunned and are conscious when they are hoisted by a rear leg to have their throats cut. In addition, conditions in the slaughterhouse are stressful and frightening for horses.


Every year, around 165,000 horses are exported across the EU for slaughter, most destined for Italy and used for salami. Britain’s horses have been kept out of this cruel trade by means of the so-called “Minimum Values legislation” which was introduced in 1937 and stipulates that no horse with a value of £5000 or less may be exported live. This safeguards the right of race-horses and competition horses to be exported for legitimate reasons, but prevents the live export of “low value” horses such as ponies and working horses.


For terminally ill and suffering horses, i can see need of death, but WHY in a cruel way?

<font color="red"> </font> The petition is to stop the cruel and unnecessary death of horses for human comsumption.
 
Horrible, horrible photos. It is the people that let these horses get in that state in the first place that should be legislated against, not the slaughterhouses.
 
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So where, pray, do you think that these horses should go? To a nice sanctuary with fluffy pink bows on the fencing? Honestly, re-read what your post just says and HOW MANY horses we are talking of here.

Please; you have to keep reality close on subjects like this.
 
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Poor, poor horses. I just cannot understand how blinkered these people are and it saddens me.
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I dont think you can say we are blinkered, otherwise we could say the same to you. We have different views and opinions on the matter...yet it doesn't mean those who dont support horse slaughter are blinkered
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I have to say i agree with GTS.I would rather horses were slaughtered in this country where they are regulated and liscensed than travel horrendous long journeys to the continent.If you shut horse abbitiors in this country what will happen to all the unwanted/injured horses.My guess is that they will be dumped or will take the law into there own hands and destroy the horse themselves.It's not a nice thought but at the end of the day horses are no differant to cattle.pigs or sheep.And while there is a demand for horsemeat for the human or pet food trade there will be horses slaughtered.
 
I also agree with GTs... I think that banning the slaughter of horses in the UK doubt do more harm than good. Horses are going to be slaughtered no matter what, and people will ship animals abroad if they can't have them slaughtered here, causing them more distress and pain. But I'm more than happy to do something help improve condidions in slaughter houses and the transportation to them, making it as humane and as stress free as possible.
 
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Poor, poor horses. I just cannot understand how blinkered these people are and it saddens me.
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I dont think you can say we are blinkered, otherwise we could say the same to you. We have different views and opinions on the matter...yet it doesn't mean those who dont support horse slaughter are blinkered
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By signing this petition you think that you are helping to create better conditions for the horses.......you ae blinkered because if this petition were to be acted upon and slaughtering horses in the UK was banned you would have actually made everything a lot worse for these horses.
 
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To a nice sanctuary with fluffy pink bows on the fencing?
Please; you have to keep reality close on subjects like this.

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Of course i do not think the horses will go to a nice sanctuary with pink fluffy bows on the fencing.

There is no need to mock me. Im not getting aggressive but i dont feel i have to explain myself to you. Wouldn't the world be boring if we all agreed and disagreed in the same thing?!

The petition i have put up is for anyone who is AGAINST horse slaughter. Its good to hear the points od views of people who are FOR horse slaughter, but it doesnt mean you should attack our views. A forum isn't really an ideal place for debate as the way thigs are said and are put across can sound different to how they were intended to sound!

To those who want to sign, go ahead. To those who dont, thank you for you input on why not. Neither is right or wrong, just a matter of opinion, belief and feelings towards the matter.
 
But I would like to hear you solution to the problem - what are going to happen to these horses? How are we going to protect them from going abroad? And who is going to pay for it all?
 
and just what exactly are you going to do with all the unwanted horses and ponies that end up in slaughter houses??????? at the end of the day i think that the majority of animals at sales with poor conformation, temperment problems etc etc would be better off HUMANLEY slaughtered in this country than ending up with some of the numpty owners who supposedly "rescue" them to a life of neglect, through sheer ignorance......i DO NOT condone cruelty however, and i am TOTALLY against live export for slaughter on the continent, the conditions these animals have to endure is horrific, but if the are slaughtered humanley in this country i have no problems at all with horse being used for production of meat, if you ban all horse slaughter - which- incidently will never happen, you will be removing a valuable service from the country. sorry but i won't be signing.
 
I assume it's not the slaughter of horses per se that you're opposed to but the inhumane treatment many receive prior to their deaths? In which case I'm with you. However, if it is the slaughter itself you oppose, what would happen to all the sick/broken down/old/unwanted horses that end up at the knackers?
Also, whilst I don't,and I don't think I would like to, eat horsemeat myself, many countries do and I don't see anything morally wrong with it, provided of course it is farmed in a humane manner. Same goes for cows, pigs and sheep for that matter.
 
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