Horse slaughter

I do. I firmly believe ALL animals in the UK are entitled to be stunned.

If they are not, I believe that the public has the right to know that they are buying un-stunned meat. i speak from having witnessed it. Sorry.

Sorry OP, we digress. I apologise.
 
Most UK halal slaughterhouses these days do stun; I did actually research this fairly recently (like within the last few months). I stun when I kill poultry and then slit their throats with a sharp knife. It's by far the simplest, kindest and most effective way to do home-kills.
 
I have a huge problem with halal. Raising & slaughtering an animal (or bird) for meat is fine imo. But it has the rights to a decent standard of life & a humane end. And halal (amongst other practices too) is not humane.
 
I am probably going to be shot down for this but no way would I let two oldies travel to be slaughtered never, it is not the pts at a slaughterhouse that I have a problem with, but travelling two old horses one lame is disgusting.
I see you are up north so they are going to have a fair journey as far as I am aware there is no one up this end I am only 60 miles north of you.

If there was a place near fair enough I am sure the hunt would let them pay in instalments if they asked, if they have not had drugs it is 150 for the hunt to despatch, failing that a vet would let them pay it off in instalments, I think to do this to two old friends is despicable, I have no problem with pts when needed but travelling these horses to have it done is something I consider very unkind and unfair when other options are available.
 
Trinity Fox said:
I am probably going to be shot down for this but no way would I let two oldies travel to be slaughtered never, it is not the pts at a slaughterhouse that I have a problem with, but travelling two old horses one lame is disgusting.
I see you are up north so they are going to have a fair journey as far as I am aware there is no one up this end I am only 60 miles north of you.

If there was a place near fair enough I am sure the hunt would let them pay in instalments if they asked, if they have not had drugs it is 150 for the hunt to despatch, failing that a vet would let them pay it off in instalments, I think to do this to two old friends is despicable, I have no problem with pts when needed but travelling these horses to have it done is something I consider very unkind and unfair when other options are available.
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i couldnt tell you where it was or what is going on as ive explained all i know but i was told it was near by about 15miles away. i didnt even have a clue there was one near by to start off with :S i seen someone advetising in a yellow local paper offering horse slaughter. i know they will go when know one is around so i could not tell you about how they are travelling ect. i said my goodbye tonight as you never know what going on.
 
There's only two licensed abbatoirs for horses afaik, potters & turners, so if you aren't near one of these then chances are its a local knackerman rather than abbatoir.
Putasocinit- I can only assume from your rather preachy attitude you are a vegan? Or that you home produce all your own meat & dairy? Maybe the guy who sent the mares to the hunt was a horrid man, maybe he was lovely. But certainly we can't know which based on the fact he sent two mares to the hunt.
 
shysmum said:
hmmmm. or the halal ones. I had one on my patch so saw what it entails - and now a huge amount of meat is killed in this way, and that, folks, it what you buy at your local supermarket. :(:mad:
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I have a huge issue with this I won't buy supermarket meat because of it .
 
Well op you are in Newcastle and as far as I am aware there is nowhere near there that takes horses, I was led to believe they were further down the country by a long way, I would never let any animal of mine be pts unless I was there to see what was going on, and they would only be put down at home.
You know sometimes I despair at the human race I always laugh at the posts about anyone who deals horses is always considered hard and cruel, I bring break on and sell, we are picky who we sell too to the extreme, we always take them back if need be and mine even go with a book so owners can approach us if in need of retirement or injury to see if we can help yes I am soft.
It amazes me how anyone can ship a horse off for a couple of hundred quid, my family has always had horses and what was drilled in to me was you owe it to them to have them put down in familiar surroundings where they feel happy and comfortable, and my dad is a real no messing northerner, he would be appalled at the thought of someone sending a horse who by your own admission had achieved lot;s with the owner, I find it very sad but suspect the owners of these horses are just dressing up the fact they want the money.
 
I don't he is doing it for getting money I think it's he don't have the money for the correct pts routine. The mare has gone down hill very quick whatever happens I hope they don't suffer anymore. He said turners who came out but I could t tell you where this was. They came today but didn't take them so I hope he is having a think on any other opinions before hand.it must be a hard decision for him and at 82 he is finding it hard to cope having them. It's nice to know you do that for your clients. Not many others do.
 
I really hope so,but even so would you do this to these oldies who they say have not been out of field for god knows how long, surely a dignified calm death is worth paying a small sum for.

One of the biggest stresses for horses is being moved to a new place especially as these horses have not been horses who have been travelled recently, or with regularity the owner could get the hunt or vet to do it and that is by far the kindest way but if they want the money that is up to them.

You would like to think every living thing deserves to be treated with respect at the time of death and shown some consideration by the people they gave so much pleasure to.
 
No up North. I wouldn't know where it was. As far as I knew there wasn't one round here. He maybe going to travel them down south. He just said the location the men came from which was 15miles away so I've thought that's where they would be going.
 
OP if he is open to a suggestion could you not phone the hunt explain his situation and ask for a suggestion, also maybe ring up a local charity they may help with this.
If you pm me your details and location I think you are up my end, I will try and help you resolve this
 
Oh and forgot to say in last post but the slaughterhouses do not send people out buying horses so he must have been trying to sell them, hence why the people did not take them, can you imagine potters or turners sending out people to look at every horse that went through.

Maybe a local meat dealer but not the way you would want your horses to go pm me and I will help you.
 
Trinity Fox said:
Oh and forgot to say in last post but the slaughterhouses do not send people out buying horses so he must have been trying to sell them, hence why the people did not take them, can you imagine potters or turners sending out people to look at every horse that went through.

Maybe a local meat dealer but not the way you would want your horses to go pm me and I will help you.
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This ^^ there's no way it was the abattoir guys who came out to these horses. Thanks for helping her TF. that's very kind of you.
 
It was abit strange now you mention it. He must be mad if he thought he could sell them. But he did say they offered to buy them. Stuiped me says why don't you sell them to them then... not having any clue what was going on!
 
So sad to read that OP you are upset, and it is understandable. Not a good subject but something that is likely to have to be faced at some time it is part of having pets.

There seems to be a querry about distance to Turners, but there is are two places with the same name, and one is quite near to Turners.

I have only heard good reports about Turners, although personally have always been fortunate to be able to afford to have vet come to home for all our animals including dogs, horses and ponies.

OP is is good you care, but caring can sometimes be painful, at other times very hard and then is can also be rewarding. I hope you have found some reassurance from the informtion in this thread provided by others.
 
No, abbatoir don't come out to give prices. So either local meat man (who'd buy & then take to abbatoir). Or local knackerman. Any chance he was getting a price for someones services rather than price for selling?
 
Just one little word of warning....

Abbatoirs are generally OK, there are far worse ways to go. However, if a third party is involved they need to be VERY careful. A cautionary tale:

We were once asked by a dealer friend of ours whether we knew anyone that wanted an endurance horse as he had one in. The endurance world is a small community so our ears pricked up. It turned out this horse used to belong to a friend of ours. She'd made the very very difficult decision to put her beautiful, kind and much loved mare to sleep because she had neurological problems and would panic bolt. A 'friend' of hers had offered to take the mare to the knacker for her as she was too upset. He assured her the deed had been done. A year later she turns up with our dealer friend having done the rounds of the dealers and sales.... Her 'friend' had for whatever reason decided that there was a quick £££ to be made.

The only way to ensure that the deed is done is to be there, whether that is at home or at the knackers. And particularly if one of the horses is, to all extents and purposes, OK, I'd be very worried about third party involvement in the scenario you have described. The potential for someone to think 'well this one is healthy we'll sell it on' is very high.
 
I'm afraid I'm another who has no problem with pts but has a huge problem with travelling horses like these two. If someone can't afford to give their horse a quick stressless end then in my opinion they should never have one in the first place.
Before amymay jumps in telling
me not to judge, I'm well aware we can all suffer a change in circumstances that mean we can no longer afford to keep our horse, but in reality the cost of pts at home is not that huge compared to the general day to day expenses of keeping horses, and it appears this man has other horses, so is not entirely penniless.
The horse world is a strange place of massive extremes. On the one hand is someone prepared to stick two sad lame old horses on a lorry to suffer stress and upset before they meet their end, to save a few quid.
On the other hand are hundreds of people treating their horses like porcelain, and causing them huge suffering with what they see as care and kindness, spending thousands in the process.
It's a crazy place, the world of horses.
 
When i was 13 a mare i was very attatched to went off to be Knackered.
It was very traumatic, she was unrideable and also barren.
I could nt understand why the owner could nt keep her as she was field sound and fit and healthy.
Now im in my forties and i understand the descision because i have to earn my own money . I understand these descisions now but it still makes me feel sad when i hear of a horse going that way. I can t help but relate it to my own horse and the way i feel about him.
I ve seen the videos and it does dispell some of the fears, at least its over with quickly and for the two horses concerned its a lot better than going down in the field and lying there in pain for hours on end overnight.
The descision to travel them can t be comented on really unless you have seen them yourself.
 
Nadolig Llawen said:
OK. Here is some footage from Potters, taken on the QT by animal activists.

This is what happens here. Make your own mind up.
Personally, I see nothing distressing at all about the actual act, it is exactly what happens when a vet puts a horse down, the gun may vary but the horse is gone before it hits the ground. I also like the fact that the horses in the pen have hay and seem quite calm.

I have used Potters in the past and would have no hesitation in using their services in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=435JtOKH2Qo
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Sorry but seeing the animals drop and fit like after there is NO WAY on earth I would use that means. That alone distresses me :(

MY horse of a lifetime was PTS yesterday by injection. It was peaceful and i was hugging her all the way through
 
That's not fitting - the horse dies instantly from the shot to the brain, then the death of all the nerves from the spinal cord make it look like fitting.

With cattle in an abbatoir, we trained with captive bolts, and then had to pith. I would MUCH rather an animal goes as above.
 
I watched the video as education: I thought the person doing the shooting was calm, very skilled and respectful. I was sorry to see so many lovely horses and ponies being euthanased. However, if they have no future economic use for their last owner, it is a far more humane and speedy end than the possible alternatives.
 
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