Horse wont come out of his stable

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ester said:
Oh good more editing I do like that 🙄🙄, it’s definitely all everyone else’s fault, always is. Stealing photos is definitely because you were goaded and pushed.

Do you even acknowledge/accept that was a terrible thing to do and totally crossed a line even if it wasn’t to also make insinuating comments about weight. It’s a shame you didn’t use your suspension to give that some thought. I’d have felt terrible.

where’s that other universe gone again
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And if I had of sent her a PM what do you think might have happened? Oh let me guess. Gotta go class starting.
 
ester said:
Have you apologised for stealing and posting a photo of her? I don’t see that on your list, if not you have not tried your best, we aren’t talking about previous interactions we are talking about your frankly outrageous behaviour last week
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I've openly said I've been a bit of a dickhead previously. Undiagnosed and unknown about ADHD meant I argued with people anytime I felt they were wrong or my over developed sense of justice kicked in. As soon as I found out I stopped it. So I apologise to anyone I was ever rude to, I don't think I even realised what I was doing. Since I had to get a new user name I've been bend over backwards nice to Birker, because well, this sort of thing. It blows up, posts are taken over and it all gets unpleasant. I still have no idea what it was I did to trigger this. I vaguely remember agreeing with Birkers post about something on the horse buying thread and she turned on me, so went on UI, and then a photo from my FB which birker doesn't have access to, and was I think approx 2000 photos down,so took some finding, suddenly appeared with a nasty comment. I didn't even realise till someone told me.

And for the love of god, I said about Birkers work because at the time my work had found posts by me in various places and were using them to try and get rid of me. They didn't as it happens, but I far from the only one who has been easily identified on social media and its lead to issues.

I was quite happy to post the photo and others again. I don't disagree with Birker that I was too big for Bobbie even if I wasn't technically too heavy for her, its why I sold her. But when the response wasn't what was expected the photo was deleted and mayhem ensued as I didn't know it was gone, people didn't know it had even been there and it all got a bit ridiculous.

I assumed that Birker was having a difficult time and was having her strings pulled by someone else and made a bad call. None of it really makes any sense to me. I don't need an apology, but I really did think she might realise what she'd done was OTT and deliberately spiteful and if it was someone else encouraging her, she would also realise that and maybe have think about whether that is what she wanted to happen.

She is still on UI but I've had to read some of the comments as clearly I was being mentioned and it makes no sense when you cant see quotes. The whole thing just makes my head hurt.
 
Maltesers (no A, children). Top trump even minstrels.
But, I give you munchies. (I was going to say the munchies but it made me sound like a smokeable product).
I love munchies. They cover all the food groups, sweet, chocolatey and crunchie.
 
I'm Dun said:
I've openly said I've been a bit of a dickhead previously. Undiagnosed and unknown about ADHD meant I argued with people anytime I felt they were wrong or my over developed sense of justice kicked in. As soon as I found out I stopped it. So I apologise to anyone I was ever rude to, I don't think I even realised what I was doing. Since I had to get a new user name I've been bend over backwards nice to Birker, because well, this sort of thing. It blows up, posts are taken over and it all gets unpleasant. I still have no idea what it was I did to trigger this. I vaguely remember agreeing with Birkers post about something on the horse buying thread and she turned on me, so went on UI, and then a photo from my FB which birker doesn't have access to, and was I think approx 2000 photos down,so took some finding, suddenly appeared with a nasty comment. I didn't even realise till someone told me.

And for the love of god, I said about Birkers work because at the time my work had found posts by me in various places and were using them to try and get rid of me. They didn't as it happens, but I far from the only one who has been easily identified on social media and its lead to issues.

I was quite happy to post the photo and others again. I don't disagree with Birker that I was too big for Bobbie even if I wasn't technically too heavy for her, its why I sold her. But when the response wasn't what was expected the photo was deleted and mayhem ensued as I didn't know it was gone, people didn't know it had even been there and it all got a bit ridiculous.

I assumed that Birker was having a difficult time and was having her strings pulled by someone else and made a bad call. None of it really makes any sense to me. I don't need an apology, but I really did think she might realise what she'd done was OTT and deliberately spiteful and if it was someone else encouraging her, she would also realise that and maybe have think about whether that is what she wanted to happen.

She is still on UI but I've had to read some of the comments as clearly I was being mentioned and it makes no sense when you cant see quotes. The whole thing just makes my head hurt.
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Think about chocolate instead. I’ve given up trying to work out Birkers motivations.
 
It’s the no acknowledgement ID :( I get peeved at the assumption it can just be swept under the carpet again like nothing happened. (Strong sense of justice and all that ;) ) it’s happened so many times over the years.

It was me that counted how many photos down it was on that profile to find which I think shocked me even more as that was effort. I’m still a bit aghast about being told I also shouldn’t be commenting because the thread was (not) closed.

I don’t like munchies
 
Clodagh said:
Maltesers (no A, children). Top trump even minstrels.
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Fatty doesn’t like it when you swear like that. Take it back!!

Only one chocolate can outdo galaxy and that is strawberry creams. Pfft maltesers 🙄 their spin offs are even better than the originals
 
nagblagger said:
I'm more interested on how to help a horse overcome a traumatic experience, no matter what the cause.
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that is an interesting question because, as I see it, the horse doesn't understand what the problem was. . Here something zapped him most likely in front or rear or both and he fled. You can't really desensitise him to being zapped and it certainly wouldn't be safe to put him back in a walker pen or even try to and to his mind the whole thing is now locked in his memory, the look of the walker, the sound of the motor and the whole experience.



if he was mine and wasn't going to give in and get over it on his own then I would start working on head lowering on command (in a panic situation stop, head down/engage brain) Teaching him this in the stable and then step by step outside and then move onto the Tteam labyrinth training all around the walker. ie one step forward, head down etc, one step back head down etc etc when it was switched off and then with the engine on. I would also train him with a lunge whip or rope or something similar to have it whizzing around his head, catching on his bum, legs, underneath etc. (That is not in any way whipping him just having things catch on him unexpectedly and it would be slow and take time)

If any experts can get over chocolate and an earlier dispute (which surely can go back onto the relevant thread and people can argue to their heart's content), then I would be interested too to hear how others would approach it for an extremely traumatised horse who won't give in.

ETA rephrasing that to "is mentally unable to give in and accept it" won't give in makes it sound as if he is at fault)
 
I think that management of horses is always context-dependent and often involves trade-offs.

Ideally, my horses are at home and turned out 24/7, all together on a big hill with well draining soil, organic varied grasses and plenty of natural shelter. They are hacked for hours and schooled on hacks with only occasional work on an artificial surface.

However, there are months where I have to compromise and turn them out individually because of their grass tolerance differences in spring and autumn. There are months where I bring in at night because it's wet and horrible and the one horse loses condition.

And there are months where I work too much, it's dark too early for me to pay them proper attention and exercise them, and so they are put on livery at a pro yard where they are turned out for a few hours a day. On that yard, they are put on a walker (no electricity) to break up their hours in. They are also lunged and schooled mostly on an artificial surface. It's not ideal but it's better than being in a box 24/7 on a yard or being out 24/7 at home in the winter.

As I earn more and save more, I put more and more resources into their wellbeing so it's also not forever. So eventually I do intend to have a large barn with lights at home, and indoor, and a hard standing pen, and more regular yard staff - all the things that will stop them needing to go on livery. They, hopefully, have long lives with me so for this period of our mutual development, theres a bit of compromise. I don't think the fact that they go on a walker is a crisis in context, even if I wouldn't choose it as an ideal.
 
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ester said:
Who said anything about a pm, a public apology would have been both fine and likely better.

Oh yeah what surbie said already
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When any other member is barred from using the forum for a few days nothing is ever said after. It's never brought up on the forum. That member has had a slap on the wrist and received their punishment so that's it. But for some reason you can't let it go?By dragging it up its clear you are deliberately trying to antagonise me.

I don't recall that poster ever apologising to me when i was in the pits of despair over the things they'd said to me. 🙁And believe me, i was in despair. Nor did they ever try to make contact with me.

Nor the one that happily announced in front of everyone that I was a racist. Unsubstantiated abusive and damaging. Shocking. I still don't understand why that poster wasn't barred.

And personally speaking I can't abide Maltesers. 😁
 
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