Spring Feather
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If the mare is chestnut and you breed her to a cremello you will 100% get a palomino foal.
Horses - how much extra would you pay for a certain colour?
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Moomin1
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How much would I pay? Absolutely nothing. I like chestnuts, bays and greys the best so it isn't really relevant. Aren't I boring?!
I must be the only person left in the UK that doesn't think having a coloured horse (being piebald/skewbald in this instance) is the be all and end all. I wouldn't actively discriminate against any colour but would never, ever go out shopping for one specifically. The horses type, and ability to do the job I want are far more important to me and I wouldn't compromise on those just to get a fashionable colour.
ETS: I would actually discriminate against lots of colours. Including 'coloured' horses (my mother is old fashioned and said only the rag and bone man had them and it just stuck) palominos (yuck, they look like my little ponies) anything with white skin/blue eyes (more my little ponies). If it was perfect in every other way I'd have them but I'd really rather have a nice chestnut horse!
Agree with this!
I really don't see the attraction with coloured horses at all and I will never forget my mum saying that she thought they looked like a cow doing a round of showjumps!! That being said, if I had come across a coloured which suited what I was looking for then I would have considered it.
I REALLY don't like cremellos or pink skinned horses, and I would avoid them at any cost.
Palominos are ok - but the darker the better.
I am a bay and black horse person!!
Capriole
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But I wouldnt pay extra, you arent suggesting people arent being honest when they say that are you?
Ibblebibble
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How much would I pay? Absolutely nothing. I like chestnuts, bays and greys the best so it isn't really relevant. Aren't I boring?!
I must be the only person left in the UK that doesn't think having a coloured horse (being piebald/skewbald in this instance) is the be all and end all. I wouldn't actively discriminate against any colour but would never, ever go out shopping for one specifically. The horses type, and ability to do the job I want are far more important to me and I wouldn't compromise on those just to get a fashionable colour.
ETS: I would actually discriminate against lots of colours. Including 'coloured' horses (my mother is old fashioned and said only the rag and bone man had them and it just stuck
nope theres another one here who doesn't really 'do' coloured horses, they were considered common once upon a time and to me , no matter how fashionable they are, they are still not my cup of tea.
I always go for suitability over colour, so no i wouldn't pay extra for colour!
ihatework
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I think a large number of people are subconciously attracted to certain types and although they may tell themselves colour isn't important, that actually for some it is but they don't realise it!
If I am setting out a horse for me to buy as my personal riding horse then I would dismiss many colours/markings outright (spotty/roan/coloureds). I'd consider some if the horse looked amazing and was priced well, but I would look most closely at those horses I found attractive (and colour is a large part of that). Don't get me wrong, everything else in terms of confo/temprement/ability has to be right too.
You might call me shallow, and to some extent I'd agree with you, but if you are investing time money and energy into a horse you intend to keep a lifetime you have to want to look at it and smile every day. At least I'm honest enough to admit to that!
For instance I recently went to view a horse that would meet my ideal in terms of type/colour/markings. But when I got there horse had a conformation fault and I walked away.
Now when purchasing a horse for different reasons, my shallowness goes out the window. E.g. I bought a coloured horse to sell on, currently looking to buy a decent event horse for a rider etc.
I agree a good horse is a good horse. But if it's sitting in my personal stable it's a good horse and a nice colour!
Casey76
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When I went looking for my first horse I had two thing on my wish list:
NOT coloured and NOT a cob
what did I end up with...
coloured cob
I still find that rather amusing
ihatework
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When I went looking for my first horse I had two thing on my wish list:
NOT coloured and NOT a cob
what did I end up with...
coloured cob
I still find that rather amusing
Coloured AND a cob !!!
I bet he is amazing and you are glad you got him
scarymare
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Indeed but no chestnuts on my yard - ever - LOL and even if there were, I think that's a good illustration of this post - I don't think there is a cremello stallion of sufficient quality to breed from, not that I know of anyhow. Friend of mine used McJonnas - 'competing at prelim dressage' Jeezo - mind you she did get a cracking (buckskin) foal!!!!!
TuscanBunnyGirl
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Don't shoot me down! I went out looking for a coloured AND i bought the first one I saw!
but I love him to pieces!
If anyone watched Tuscan Living on channel 4, there was a coloured colt born..he now lives in my field
I always said I wouldn't have a chestnut through personal preference... I TOTALLY regret saying that as my chestnut filly is the sweetest most beautiful thing ever
but I love him to pieces!
If anyone watched Tuscan Living on channel 4, there was a coloured colt born..he now lives in my field
I always said I wouldn't have a chestnut through personal preference... I TOTALLY regret saying that as my chestnut filly is the sweetest most beautiful thing ever
Amaranta
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Actually McJonnas quaified for the Regionals at Novice in his first season (2008) so not 'competing at prelim dressage'
http://www.solaris-sport-horses.co.uk/cremello_warmblood_stallion.shtml
BTW I have no connection to this stallion but in the interest of fairness wanted to set the record straight
Mare Stare
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^^ I've looked at this stallion before and dreamed..!
If I was ever to breed from my Doris who has a wonderful temperement but too heavy to do anything competitive with, I'd like to breed her to something like this.
rhino
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Electrum?
The Alchemist?
Magician GF?
Crown's Wonder Pearl/Ace of Pearls?
By Design?
Remember, not everyone is looking for (or would be able to handle/ride) a worldbeater
Not much point breeding your RC mare to Totilas!
Goldenstar
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I would not pay more for a certain colour but would never buy at any price a coloured or a spotty horse.
Capriole
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I think a large number of people are subconciously attracted to certain types and although they may tell themselves colour isn't important, that actually for some it is but they don't realise it!
Capriole - (Dont know how to do bold etc) I agree. Colour really is a deal breaker for me though. I will only buy horses of a colour acceptable to the breed spec of the specific breed I have, or really theyre just no good to me. Coupled to the fact that I dont actually find fancy colours or coloured horses attractive in the main, its no hardship to me as the colours I go for wouldnt really have a premium price placed on the just for their colour.
If I am setting out a horse for me to buy as my personal riding horse then I would dismiss many colours/markings outright (spotty/roan/coloureds). I'd consider some if the horse looked amazing and was priced well, but I would look most closely at those horses I found attractive (and colour is a large part of that). Don't get me wrong, everything else in terms of confo/temprement/ability has to be right too.
You might call me shallow, and to some extent I'd agree with you, but if you are investing time money and energy into a horse you intend to keep a lifetime you have to want to look at it and smile every day. At least I'm honest enough to admit to that!
Capriole - Oh Im definitely shallow. Why look at a horse you find unattractive every day for years when it could be the apple of someone elses eye.
For instance I recently went to view a horse that would meet my ideal in terms of type/colour/markings. But when I got there horse had a conformation fault and I walked away.
Now when purchasing a horse for different reasons, my shallowness goes out the window. E.g. I bought a coloured horse to sell on, currently looking to buy a decent event horse for a rider etc.
I agree a good horse is a good horse. But if it's sitting in my personal stable it's a good horse and a nice colour!
Capriole - Same
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Spring Feather
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Took the words out of my mouth. There are some decent cremello stallions around.
Puppy
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Amen!
*from someone who recently bought a dun*
I was riding past a percheron stud at the weekend, on my dun, and the lady there called out to me "That's the best coloured horse you can have!" which I thoguht rather funny as she had a barn full of greys in front of her, which is my absolute favourite
I'm not mad keen on coloured and I actively don't like spotties, but other people love them and will pay more. The fact my new boy is dun did make him attractive to me when I was browsing the ads, but so did his breeding (TB x Connie - my favourite!) and his height (15.2, I don't like biggies) and the photos of him looking beautiful over a fence. I didn't buy him purely for his colour though, but because of the huge smile I had after riding him and if I'm honest not many horses have that effect on me because I compare them to my retired girl... If pushed I would have to say that my retired grey girl is prettier than my dun though
Jesstickle
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If pushed I would have to say that my retired grey girl is prettier than my dun though
That's because she is probably the prettiest horse in the whole county! She's quite impossibly beautiful!
scarymare
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Could well be Aramanta - this was when he was first advertised by Solaris -but even so - would you really want to put a mare to somethng only proven at Novice just because it would throw you a buckskin?
scarymare
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Electrum?
The Alchemist?
Magician GF?
Crown's Wonder Pearl/Ace of Pearls?
By Design?
Remember, not everyone is looking for (or would be able to handle/ride) a worldbeater
B***** Hell. That's my morning stuffed then googling that lot. Point I was trying to make was that would these stallions be the same money/even standing at all if they were bay. Off to the land of google to find out. I wouldnt breed from a RC mare unless outstanding breeding anyhow. Did think about Totilas but didn't quite make my £1K semen budget!
*hic*
village idiot :D
I like pretty coloured horses, the palominos, the duns, the strawberry roans. I don't own one because I tend to buy for temperament and whilst I will pay more for that I won't pay more for the colour. All my horses, even the ugly ones, make me smile everytime I look at them, so it's not just the colour or prettiness that does it for me.
My least favourite colours are skew and pie however I understand that they are very commercially viable so as an older lady who may not get on with the resultant youngster, the foal we are expecting from a lovely little ginger TB is by a homozygous coloured stallion. Both have superb temperaments, all his get are nice kind competent horses if not world beaters, he should add some movement to it and it should be a nice middleweight RC horse. A very marketable horse if I don't get on with it and a very suitable horse for me if I do.
My least favourite colours are skew and pie however I understand that they are very commercially viable so as an older lady who may not get on with the resultant youngster, the foal we are expecting from a lovely little ginger TB is by a homozygous coloured stallion. Both have superb temperaments, all his get are nice kind competent horses if not world beaters, he should add some movement to it and it should be a nice middleweight RC horse. A very marketable horse if I don't get on with it and a very suitable horse for me if I do.
Jesstickle
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dafthoss
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I must say as the owner of a dun they are a practical colour
but mine doesnt test it that much as he is a bit of a twinkle toes about getting dirty But at the same time they do tend to go a manky colour when clipped. Amen!
*from someone who recently bought a dun*
The fact my new boy is dun did make him attractive to me when I was browsing the ads, but so did his breeding (TB x Connie - my favourite!) and his height (15.2, I don't like biggies) and the photos of him looking beautiful over a fence. I didn't buy him purely for his colour though, but because of the huge smile I had after riding him and if I'm honest not many horses have that effect on me because I compare them to my retired girl... If pushed I would have to say that my retired grey girl is prettier than my dun though
Now very jealous of your new boy I love connie x tbs. Please tell me your going to bring him to ely with jess in the easter hols.
If I was going to breed a horse for me to keep then yes I would look at getting a colour that I like if I found a stallion that I liked. I'm not after a world beater just something to have fun on. Why not breed your self something you like the look of if you have to look at it for several years to come.
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Amaranta
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Could well be Aramanta - this was when he was first advertised by Solaris -but even so - would you really want to put a mare to somethng only proven at Novice just because it would throw you a buckskin?
Oh no absolutely not but McJonnas is actually a nice type aside from his colour so did not think it fair to use him as an example tbh.
I have a mare (PRE) in foal to a buckskin PRE but his colour was secondary, I liked his temperament, his confo and the fact that although young already has a CV, I would still have chosen him had he been grey or bay.
As a general rule of thumb when looking at an exotically coloured horse, I try to visualise it in bay or grey and if I still like it then I would go for it. I do the same for spotties (apologies to enthusiasts but they do not do it for me) but in reverse
angrovestud
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How much would I pay? Absolutely nothing. I like chestnuts, bays and greys the best so it isn't really relevant. Aren't I boring?!
I must be the only person left in the UK that doesn't think having a coloured horse (being piebald/skewbald in this instance) is the be all and end all. I wouldn't actively discriminate against any colour but would never, ever go out shopping for one specifically. The horses type, and ability to do the job I want are far more important to me and I wouldn't compromise on those just to get a fashionable colour.
ETS: I would actually discriminate against lots of colours. Including 'coloured' horses (my mother is old fashioned and said only the rag and bone man had them and it just stuck
Your mother has the same concept sadly as many others but this is changing the colour never did start with Gyspy coloured cobs
its started with the very riches in society and the colour was stolen! enjoy
scarymare
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Your mother has the same concept sadly as many others but this is changing the colour never did start with Gyspy coloured cobs
its started with the very riches in society and the colour was stolen! enjoy
Wow how fascinating - interesting on the horse obesity front also
scarymare
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Oh no absolutely not but McJonnas is actually a nice type aside from his colour so did not think it fair to use him as an example tbh.
I have a mare (PRE) in foal to a buckskin PRE but his colour was secondary, I liked his temperament, his confo and the fact that although young already has a CV, I would still have chosen him had he been grey or bay.
As a general rule of thumb when looking at an exotically coloured horse, I try to visualise it in bay or grey and if I still like it then I would go for it. I do the same for spotties (apologies to enthusiasts but they do not do it for me) but in reverse
Fair enough - interesting though I just googled all the 'decent' cremellos suggested up the post and although they are nice enough, I can't see any real competition record in either them or their progeny. However, my friend did get a lovely McJonnas and I was a bit jealous
. Seriously thinking now of the alchemist as mine is bay splash (god did I say that out loud?)PandorasJar
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Never thought about that before, but stands to reason with the general rule that the well off had the money to eat!
In terms of colour, I adore spotties and had initially started looking for a spottie gelding around the 8-14yo mark last year - I then ended up with a 3yo bay! She's the most stunning little thing I'd ever seen and fell in love instantly with the personality. Her colouring was stunning this winter, getting a snow coloured belly and looking like a little furry wild horse!
Until meeting one of my partners horses I had never had any interest in Cremellos, but she is absolutely gorgeous. I am an absolute sucker for her 'goat eyes'. After googling cremello though I have to admit she doesn't look scary like half of the images there!
Over the years my opinion on what colours I like has changed repeatedly but I've always found the colours I've had suited the horses I've had to a tee! I can't say I'd ever choose a horse for colour (although the cremello is used for breeding palaminos as they are so sellable).
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MerrySherryRider
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When I'm buying two things I avoid are geldings and bays.
I love mares, WB XTB's and black or coloured horses. Current mare is black with 4 white stockings and a white blaze, previous mares were tri-coloureds, all of them took my breath away everytime I saw them.
That said, if the choice was between a perfect bay and a not so perfect coloured, I'd choose the bay, but I'd pay extra for a good coloured, simply for the visual pleasure.
I love mares, WB XTB's and black or coloured horses. Current mare is black with 4 white stockings and a white blaze, previous mares were tri-coloureds, all of them took my breath away everytime I saw them.
That said, if the choice was between a perfect bay and a not so perfect coloured, I'd choose the bay, but I'd pay extra for a good coloured, simply for the visual pleasure.
Maddie2412
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if i was a breeder i would consider paying more for a specific colour if i thought it would benefit later sales but would rather spend extra money on a nice horse,
only other consideration if i had 2 horses the same i would pay more for one which was a solid colour with no white socks purely for mud fever maintenance.
only other consideration if i had 2 horses the same i would pay more for one which was a solid colour with no white socks purely for mud fever maintenance.
Puppy
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Hehe! I'm maybe slightly biased, but I do have to agree with you. Although, she is doing her best to conceal this fact right now with vast quantities of hair and mud