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If people are looking for a hot weather hat I just bought one of these and I'm delighted with it. It's a hat sold for BMX bike racing, so it has not been tested for horse riding. But for me, in this heat, it's going to make the difference between wearing a hat and not wearing any hat at all.

It is deeper than most bike helmets, and I'm finding the small is a very comfortable fit for someone who normally takes a 6 7/8 ths or size 2 Champion

I absolutely love feeling the air blowing through it. It's very like the old Champion vented hat that you used to be able to buy.

Other colours are available in the 2016 version for £75 from other sellers.
 
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With all due respect for your right to do as you please with your own head - I don't think it's appropriate to share links to a hat that is not intended to be used as a riding hat, and that falls well short of the minimum standard demanded of riding hats. There are a lot of children and novices using this forum, who might well read this post and think its ok not to adequately protect their heads.
 
Auslander said:
With all due respect for your right to do as you please with your own head - I don't think it's appropriate to share links to a hat that is not intended to be used as a riding hat, and that falls well short of the minimum standard demanded of riding hats. There are a lot of children and novices using this forum, who might well read this post and think its ok not to adequately protect their heads.
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I cannot agree with this more. Riding hats are not just designed to keep you safe from falling off, they are designed to be safe specifically for equine risks, BMX helmets are not.
 
I have no idea in this world how you expect to protect your head with that flimsy article. Today, I learned that the bloke who has been teaching me Highway Law took a crashing fall from a racehorse he was working & split his skull open to the point his synovial fluid was pouring out of his nose. He was asked why he had no hat on. He did in fact have a jockey skull on & it split in 2. He has double vision & intense pain to this day. The accident happened over 20 years ago. I really hope you are joking about this post.
 
ycbm said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191807152927

If people are looking for a hot weather hat I just bought one of these and I'm delighted with it. It's a hat sold for BMX bike racing, so it has not been tested for horse riding. But for me, in this heat, it's going to make the difference between wearing a hat and not wearing any hat at all.

It is deeper than most bike helmets, and I'm finding the small is a very comfortable fit for someone who normally takes a 6 7/8 ths or size 2 Champion

I absolutely love feeling the air blowing through it. It's very like the old Champion vented hat that you used to be able to buy.

Other colours are available in the 2016 version for £75 from other sellers.
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Really??? Seriously??? Ok. Do what you wish with your head, but PLEASE, do not recommend this as a suitable alternative to a riding hat. I am sure my dear friend whose daughter suffered concussion and post concussion syndrome recently will reiterate this, but in the meantime, I am quite aghast that you recommend this. :( :( :(
 
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Sorry but I'd rather a sweaty head than the damage that a hoof could do to one of those and if the choice was one of those or no hat then I'm afraid I'd be choosing not to ride at all:confused3:
 
I'm actually still in disbelief. Any parents, or anyone for that matter, do not buy this, I don't care how the wind blows through your head, it'll blow through your brains soon enough. Buy a properly fitted, fit for purpose RIDING HAT. Thank you.
 
I'm always bemused that people think being hit by a car falling of a bike or falling off a BMX bike at thirty miles a hour doing cross country are so very different from falling off a horse. Hats of this construction passing the 1384 hat standard were sold until recently by Champion.
 
Auslander said:
With all due respect for your right to do as you please with your own head - I don't think it's appropriate to share links to a hat that is not intended to be used as a riding hat, and that falls well short of the minimum standard demanded of riding hats. There are a lot of children and novices using this forum, who might well read this post and think its ok not to adequately protect their heads.
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I'm interested in how short it falls. Can you tell me what tests the current lowest standard of riding hat on sale passes that the CE standard on this hat doesn't? I haven't checked, but I suspect it's only penetration of sharp objects, due to the holes, and that I'm prepared to forego. There are after all people spending £300 thinking they are safe in KEP helmets which can fall apart.
 
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ycbm said:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191807152927

I absolutely love feeling the air blowing through it.
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Great. Pop it on and go for a bike ride then. Don't ride/handle a horse in it though.

Just wear a proper hat?! It's not that bloody hot. You're highly unlikely to die of skull-cap-induced heat-exhaustion, but I wouldn't fancy your chances falling off or getting kicked in that bmx jobber.
 
I would at least take the visor off as it sticks out and if you fall off it may jar your neck, not sure if taking it off would affect integrity of helmet. Your head your choice.
 
The visor pivots and is the only part of the hat that is flimsy.

Champion used to sell a very similar hat to the EN 1384 standard which is still current, according to BETA.
 
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I've used the Champion Universals for years and they are lighter and better ventilated than most hats IME. Buying a green 4 year old was the motivation I required to finally invest in a new hat. I miss my Universal immensely and part of me wants to go back to riding in it now its so hot, but it is absolutely ancient and since it only ever complied with the lower safety standards I can't see it saving my head should I be unlucky and end up landing on it. I'm going to try and track down another one because its "very lightweight, so ventilated you can barely tell you're wearing it, etc.." replacement is nothing like as comfy or cool as the Champion Universal.

They are big, ugly mushroom hats though, at least 3 times thicker than those bike helmets look and they really surround your head. I don't think those bike helmets are the way forward and think there have to be other, better alternatives, though I totally understand and agree that its important to have a comfortable, and not just a safe head!
 
At least it has some cycle standard attached I guess, many don't. Although EN1078 is generally deemed in cycling communities as pretty flimsy.

I have a SNELL cycling helmet, it's great, super comfy and once I put it on by mistake and got on my horse (it has the same fitting mechanism so feels similar to my gatehouse air rider!) thankfully someone pointed this out to me as it is a million miles away from my SNELL HS1!
 
I really cannot see that this is a serious thread.......... surely the OP has GOT to be joking, although why about such a serious and potentially dangerous matter I cannot imagine :(

There are plenty of vented riding hats available on the market nowadays which have undergone proper certificated testing regimes which are designed for horse riding and not other sports, so heaven alone knows why anyone would want to risk their life with a hat that hasn't been properly tested for the purpose for which it is to be used.

Suspicious that this is a troll-thread??
 
Saying that KEP helmets have fallen apart is a bit of a daft argument because if something made for purpose can fail so spectacularly, something that isn't made for purpose can be far far worse.

What you do with your own head is your own business, but it's the fact that other people may follow suit that scares me and this is why.

Different hats are designed and composed to deal with different risks. My motorcycle helmets would not withstand a horses hoof standing on them in a fall. In fact, the helmet could cause death where no helmet could just cause severe injury. different components of the motorcycle helmet would pose a very real threat to life if stood on by a horse...but would be able to withstand a tyre going over them. Different forces, different effects = helmet designed for purpose. With the hat linked, it is just not about the huge holes that let the air in. Each one of those compromises the overall strength and integrity of the hat. Falling off a bike will, in most cases create a blunt force impact. The hat will withstand that in many cases(although this particular hat is not considered the best for that) but it will not be able to withstand forces like 600kg of horse in the form of a shod hoof standing on the side of it, kicking it or a whole horse landing on it.

Safer than no hat it may possibly be, but the cold hard fact is that it has not passed the safety standards for horse riding, so to advise, encourage or condone it's use for such is just irresponsible.

I don't think anyone has a problem with you using this hat YCBM...it's just the fact that you've suggested it on a forum with a lot of more novice/younger riders who may listen to you and ultimately, pay the price.

Final note...not sure if anyone might know this, but I'm unsure how insurance would be affected. My rider insurance states that I must always wear a riding hat conforming to a minimum safety standard...I'll have to dig out the policy, but it's riding hat specific and should I end up brain damaged or unable to work for a year...I'd feel pretty stupid if my insurance didn't pay out because I had wanted to feel the breeze in my hair.

To add...I can feel a cool breeze on my head in my current hat, which is this...
http://www.countrywidefarmers.co.uk...=c09951576b4beefbf1ff987dfbfa4522&fo_s=gplauk

It conforms, but I wouldn't even wear this for XC or hunting.
 
Spot on from GG.
I wear one of the UVEX lightweight/ventilated hats all year round but I wouldn't wear it hunting/XC either.

This is one of the daftest posts I've seen in a while.
And even dafter as no doubt cptrayes will argue to the bitter end in support of the thread
 
nikkimariet said:
Actually dying laughing!!! I've been wondering who else spotted the pattern.

What did it for me was the photos of Henry and Rizzle in her photo bucket.
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To be fair, I don't think she has tried to hide this. You'd have to be pretty dumb not to twig quite quickly from posting style. Lets not spiral into the old sparkle sisters v cptrayes thing. For me this is just about a daft thread
 
Psst - GG - top end motorbike helmets are actually more protective than horse riding ones. They have capacity to protect at over 200 miles an hour when flying along the track or road into the scenery, they also stand up far better under testing to blunt instrument forced at them, due to compounds and absorbent protection being more widely used. The carbon ones included.
They only limiting factor is visibility in using a motorbike helmet for riding.

However, ANY helmet will only provide protection in an accident when doing any sporting activity, not give immortal life from a fatal blow, but MAY prevent a fatal blow from being inflicted in the 1st place.
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
Psst - GG - top end motorbike helmets are actually more protective than horse riding ones. They have capacity to protect at over 200 miles an hour when flying along the track or road into the scenery, they also stand up far better under testing to blunt instrument forced at them, due to compounds and absorbent protection being more widely used. The carbon ones included.
They only limiting factor is visibility in using a motorbike helmet for riding.

However, ANY helmet will only provide protection in an accident when doing any sporting activity, not give immortal life from a fatal blow, but MAY prevent a fatal blow from being inflicted in the 1st place.
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I'd never wear one...too heavy for a start. My point was...if a horse stands on your face in a riding hat, a horse stands on your face...if a horse stands on your face in a motorcycle helmet, you could end up with pieces of visor embedded in your skull and with flip lids, quite possibly the chin piece broken and pushed into your face/neck.

I too agree that most motorcycle helmets are far better made and better able to withstand all sorts of impacts than even the bestriding hats...just that not all hats are equal, so better err on the side of caution.
 
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I'd never wear one...too heavy for a start. My point was...if a horse stands on your face in a riding hat, a horse stands on your face...if a horse stands on your face in a motorcycle helmet, you could end up with pieces of visor embedded in your skull and with flip lids, quite possibly the chin piece broken and pushed into your face/neck.

I too agree that most motorcycle helmets are far better made and better able to withstand all sorts of impacts than even the bestriding hats...just that not all hats are equal, so better err on the side of caution.
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Ref weight, you need to try out the carbon skid lids; mine is very lightweight as opposed to most riding hats :)
Having done a lot of trackdays last yr, inc race meetings, I would be happy to also wear it riding a Fuzzy as well, tho prefer the look of my riding hat instead :)

However, its all irrevelevant to the OP's 1st post, horses for courses (excuse the pun!).
 
I'm another that is astonished that anyone would suggest using a piece of safety equipment for a purpose for which it is neither designed nor tested.

All sorts of problems.

And I worry about those easily influenced novices and children that might think this is a good idea. It's hard enough in a riding school explaining to someone that has spent their hard earned money on a riding hat that I can't allow them to wear it because it isn't certified to an appropriate standard without suggestions that they don't need to be.

I saw the report on my own hat after a soft fall on a soft surface that didn't give me a sore head let alone concussion, so would never think of using anything not designed for the job.
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
Ref weight, you need to try out the carbon skid lids; mine is very lightweight as opposed to most riding hats :)
Having done a lot of trackdays last yr, inc race meetings, I would be happy to also wear it riding a Fuzzy as well, tho prefer the look of my riding hat instead :)

However, its all irrevelevant to the OP's 1st post, horses for courses (excuse the pun!).
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I actually really do need a new MC helmet...minne is 9 years old!!! Not good. I kind of like the heavy feel when I'm on the bike...might have to fo find one to try though :)
 
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