How do I convince my colleague............

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Not to buy a puppy? They have a tiny house and garden, two small children and are both out at work all day. The pup is only 4 weeks old and the breeder has told them they can have him this weekend! I have told her that it's not a good idea in the first place and that I think it is a welfare issue to let a puppy go that young as he needs the interaction with his litter mates and he's not properly weaned. The guy has told them he will wean it by the weekend! They are paying around £1,000 for it too. I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall, feel so sorry for the puppy
 
ARGHHHHHH!!!!! Four weeks?

What breed is it? £1000 is a ridiculous price for any dog, never mind a four week old puppy, unless it is super rare or a 'specialist' breed.
Eight weeks minimum, nine weeks for me, before a puppy should leave mum.

They (breeders) sound like a packet of cowboys. Print this thread off and show them the responses if you like.

Also, tiny baby puppies should not be left alone all day, particularly by novice owners.
They may be cute but they also poo and wee everywhere and cry - tell them it will be like having another baby to contend with.
 
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4 weeks old is ridiculous!
To be honest they don't sound like good candidates for having a puppy in the first place and certainly should not entertain shelling out a grand for a four week old pup, this is exactly the type of breeder that needs shooting! I too would like to know what breed this is....I also think the relevant breed club should be made aware that someone is selling pups at 4 weeks old.
I agree, print this thread off later.
 
Why on earth don't they just get a cat? They're never going to get it housetrained if they're both at work all day and it'll soon go nuts with boredom and destroy the place. And 4 weeks??? There should be a law against that, it's just ridiculous. No wonder you're a bit frustrated. If they insist on getting a dog, they should get a sensible older one from a rescue. But preferably a cat. Or a goldfish.
 
Thanks all, glad it's not just me who thinks this is all so wrong. Raised the cat issue, but she doesn't like them, raised all the destruction issues, raised the issue that they will be fed up of it in a few weeks, she says I'm wrong. We have bred cocker spaniels and jack russells in the past and not only did I not let them go until they were at least 8 weeks old (and I have difficulty parting with them then), I make sure that the owners know what is entailed. I have been know to turn people away if I am not comfortable that they know what they are letting themselves in for. Will have to keep on nagging at them I think.
 
CM, what breed is it they want to buy? I repeat, this sounds like a massive, massive rip off to me, if the person selling is so unscrupulous as to let one go at four weeks, chances are there are no health tests on either parents and this puppy could be as unhealthy as anything and they could be paying out £1k for an animal that could be dead in months or even weeks.
 
CC - It's worse than that - it's a bulldog, evidently it is only 99% pedigree (therefore it has no pedigree at all) and she thinks she can breed from it! Told her all about care of the wrinkles etc but no success. Oh please give me a bandage for my head! Tried to get the details of the person selling it from her as I thought I would report it but she wouldn't let me have them, I know they had about a two hour drive from this area last night to see it.
 
So it is two hours away, a x-breed, four weeks old, £1000 and she wants to breed from it?
People are GIVING purebred bulldogs away on sites like Gumtree.

More fool her, to be honest if she is being that dense about the whole thing, I would let her make her own mistakes, it is the dog I feel sorry for.
And I don't care if you do show her this thread. I am just glad I don't know your 'colleague' or their so-called 'breeder'.
 
I too don't care about her feelings, just concerned about the dog, I have left a message for her on facebook giving her a link to this thread but I just don't think she wants to know, never mind, if it all goes pear shaped I'm sure my jacks won't mind another pal!
 
She paying 1000 pounds for a 4 week old mongrel?
because without pedigree kc papers that is what it is??

Its also just cruel to take a 4 week old puppy on if its mother is till alive it is no where near ready to leave!!
8 weeks is the minimum age 10 weeks is prefered in some cases

...where and when will it learn how to socialise with other dogs if it doesnt get a chance to play with its littermates and interact with its mother?

..hell when will it learn what level of biting is ok in play they learn that from playing with littermates and the repercussions there...will it learn when it starts biting her young kids??

It most certainly wont be housetrained...or even trainable until its older!

And thats before i even think about the mischief that the unsupervised puppy will get up to as it gets older....

Poor poor Puppy

Shes being conned by a puppy farmer by the sounds of things to no respectable dealer would sell a 4 week old pup...even orphan pups are hand reared and kept as a litter until 8 weeks!

You should advise her to the vet before she buys the dog...

tell her to go in and ask about buying a 4 week old pup and any worthwhile vet will tell her the cons and advise against it...

Mention its a "bulldog" and she can get the list of health problems and cost of insurance as well....

Disaster waiting to happen

Feel free to show her this thread if you think it might knock some sense into her.Has she no idea what she is about to take on?
 
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That is not a breeder! That is a money-hugging bitch owner with not much sense or feeling of responsibility!


4 weeks is when the most important socialization period in a dogs life begins, at 12 weeks of age it starts to decrease and at 16 weeks, the period is over. A dog can obviously still learn to socialize more or less well with other dogs after this period but not at the same speed, it is more difficult etc.

If you take a puppy at 4 weeks of age and you don't already have a vaccinated dog that your puppy can socialize with, you will have to wait until the puppy has finished his/hers puppy vaccinations at 12 weeks of age, before you can allow it to socialize with other dogs and then the "big socialization window" is already closing!



Will it be vaccinated and have had a puppy vet check? Actually I don't know if there is vets that will vaccinate puppies already from 3, 4 weeks of age?

Will the bitch owner take back the puppy if it doesn't work out? If not, they're sponsoring a person to continue with his/hers money-hugging business/"hobby". And if it doesn't work out and the bitch owner doesn't take back, what happens to the puppy then?


We found and rescued an abandoned, half starved and half frozen to death, about 4 weeks old kitten last autumn. I was home all day, my three dogs helped me "entertain" it (our two cats didn't want anything to do with it) and I can only say that I would never pay for a 4 weeks old puppy, I would quite the opposite expect the breeder to pay me something for taking over their work in half time!


I was just asked what I was writing about. I said someone wanted reasons for why someone they knew, shouldn't buy a 4 weeks old puppy.
"What's wrong with buying a puppy? - - - - - - WHAT, how old did you say? 4 WEEKS, OH MY DEAR GOD! That is way to young, poor puppy..."


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Every time there is one of these threads they seem to get worse
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If you have a name for the breeder I would report them to the RSPCA, criminal to sell a pup at that age, although as others have said anyone who is stupid enough to pay £1000 for a mongrel kind of deserves all they get, but the puppy doesnt.
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They obviously prey on the sort of person my colleague is, never had a dog, no idea how to look after it and it makes me so sad that these poor dogs end up in rescue centres. She is not a bad person but honestly had no idea that the puppy was too young to leave its mother. Ah well, second instalment due tomorrow! Just hope someone has talked some sense into them.
 
But you said she has two small children, would she for example leave perhaps a 6 months old child home alone, while she and the children's father is at work all day?

If she doesn't know how old a puppy should be, for a responsible breeder to allow it to leave their kennel/home, why did she not lend a book at a library or do a quick google search, to look it up?





If it is a bitch puppy they're buying, e.g. let's say that she doesn't know that you shouldn't mate a bitch until it almost or over 2 years old, would that make it "okay" for her to breed it, at its first season?


If it is a male puppy, then I'm sorry but I will be impolite enough to cross my fingers and hope its testicles doesn't come down properly.

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Hopefully after conversations at work today, the puppy situation is on hold. I think me and her boss have convinced her that it's not a good idea, added to the fact that a friend of her boss' has just got a boxer puppy and it is running riot!
 
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