HOW DO MY HORSES HOOVES LOOK ??

[amandap]

Marie,I have watched the video and see a wonderful journey and amazing progress. He seems to have gone from a rather dangerous animal to a super and responsive pony.I can also see you developing your horse handling skills(your riding looked good from the beginning)I suspect that you will now go on to learn about looking after him and his feet(not an easy task,cobs require more attention than a lot of people think and even the experts-vets,farriers,nutritionists etc- are still learning......as are all of us!)

Ditto. You appear to have a lovely relationship with Domino. I wish you the best of luck and am sure you will all be fine and have many happy times ahead. x

 

[Aarrghimpossiblepony]

Was hoping for an update from the OP as the farrier should have been by now.

 

[Purple18]

Was hoping for an update from the OP as the farrier should have been by now.

what just thinking this

 

[AmyMay]

Sorry, haven't read the whole thread - but are you keeping them on common land or in a field??

Because that doesn't look like a field to me

 

[ester]

really? I have to say I know plenty of fields which look like that.

 

[AmyMay]

really? I have to say I know plenty of fields which look like that.

Ester, it looks like a park to me - look at the fencing (well non fencing. That's typical of a park).

I'm struggling to understand why the ponies were moved from livery. The videos show a nice yard, a pony in great nick, and a youngster getting there.

 

[MaHats]

I'm getting quite worried now. Hope everything is OK OP.

Please just let us know you and your horses are OK. Thanks.

 

[_HP_]

Looks like she got scared off afterall...

 

[YasandCrystal]

I'm amazed how many seem to think a pony can have a protruding pedal and and still be walking happily......

Ditto. Amazing that all the so knowledgeable HHOers think this. I lost my horse with pedal bone rotation and sinkage last year and every professional said to me 'you can't risk the pedal bone penetrating her foot, the pain would be unbearable', so I had her pts.

 

[Pinkvboots]

I also thought that about the pedal bone, only seen one horse where the bone has come through and it wouldnt stand up and was pts.

 

[Brightbay]

Ester, it looks like a park to me - look at the fencing (well non fencing. That's typical of a park).

I'm struggling to understand why the ponies were moved from livery. The videos show a nice yard, a pony in great nick, and a youngster getting there.

I wonder where you live? There's a largeish livery just down the road from me that has fencing (and fields) looking exactly like this. Not saying I like them, just saying it's not unusual

 

[paddy555]

I may be imagining things its not really my field, but aside from the very overgrown hooves and underrun heels etc this is what is screaming at me from those pics, although other more knowledgable folks would be able to say for sure...

agree YasandCrystal and Pinkyboots comments. I think that the above and others should have realised that this "really wasn't their field" , shut up and simply encouraged OP in the directioin of the farrier who would no doubt be able to recognise pedal bone penetration.
I cannot believe some of the nasty comments on this thread. Someone even commented that the horse's mane needed brushing!
I don't really understand why this poster has been singled out to be picked on and become most people's whipping boy.
Didn't any of the nasty people on here make mistakes when they got their first horse? or perhaps you were all perfect. No I wouldn't think so.

OP, I hope you will come back and report on progress.

 

[ester]

I wonder where you live? There's a largeish livery just down the road from me that has fencing (and fields) looking exactly like this. Not saying I like them, just saying it's not unusual

I drive past a herd of welshies every morning that have fencing that is potentially worse (wooden stakes and loose barb wired)

 

[amandap]

This thread certainly is not HHO forum's finest hour.

Hope you are ok mariebx19. x

 

[TPO]

One person called op a name and that was out of order ditto the comments about caps lock but the remaining posts were out of pure concern for the horses. I really hope that the vet has been called.

Just because you've personally not seen a horse with protuding pedal bone walk doesnt mean it can't happen. I am not however saying that this is the case here. I do think, the youngster especially, requires veterinary attention.

I don't understand HHO at all... Users get slaughtered for a LOT less than this. Here we have an inexperienced owner who's had problems with original horse and has no experience. They then buy an unhealthy practically unhandled youngster. No veterinary care has been sought ( youngster should have started vaccinations and had health check - then lice and lami could have been dealt with), it would also be a fair assumption that the HHO mantra of "teeth, tack & back" has not been followed.

I highly doubt those replying would be happy for their horses to be kept by such an owner or left in that condition so why is it ok for Domino and Phoenix?

" loving" and " needing" animals does not excuse a basic lack of care.

If you read previous threads you'll see that op has previously received support and excellent advice, none of which was followed. Hopefully face to face with SSPCA will rectify that for the welfare of the horses.

Op has been back online since her last posts.

 

[Scarlett]

One person called op a name and that was out of order ditto the comments about caps lock but the remaining posts were out of pure concern for the horses. I really hope that the vet has been called.

Just because you've personally not seen a horse with protuding pedal bone walk doesnt mean it can't happen. I am not however saying that this is the case here. I do think, the youngster especially, requires veterinary attention.

I don't understand HHO at all... Users get slaughtered for a LOT less than this. Here we have an inexperienced owner who's had problems with original horse and has no experience. They then buy an unhealthy practically unhandled youngster. No veterinary care has been sought ( youngster should have started vaccinations and had health check - then lice and lami could have been dealt with), it would also be a fair assumption that the HHO mantra of "teeth, tack & back" has not been followed.

I highly doubt those replying would be happy for their horses to be kept by such an owner or left in that condition so why is it ok for Domino and Phoenix?

" loving" and " needing" animals does not excuse a basic lack of care.

If you read previous threads you'll see that op has previously received support and excellent advice, none of which was followed. Hopefully face to face with SSPCA will rectify that for the welfare of the horses.

Op has been back online since her last posts.

Agree. This isnt a which hunt or folk just being mean, the horses need vet and farrier attention and the OP needs to go expand her knowledge and seek help with the basics - something that really should be done before buying 2 horses, but that's for another day.

 

[Scarlett]

agree YasandCrystal and Pinkyboots comments. I think that the above and others should have realised that this "really wasn't their field" , shut up and simply encouraged OP in the directioin of the farrier who would no doubt be able to recognise pedal bone penetration.
I cannot believe some of the nasty comments on this thread. Someone even commented that the horse's mane needed brushing!
I don't really understand why this poster has been singled out to be picked on and become most people's whipping boy.
Didn't any of the nasty people on here make mistakes when they got their first horse? or perhaps you were all perfect. No I wouldn't think so.

OP, I hope you will come back and report on progress.

I'm sure everyone has made mistakes, yes, BUT if that IS the pedal bone coming through the sole of the foot that is a lot more than a mistake... That isn't something that happens overnight, that's something that happens over a period of time and there will have been signs that should have been seen so it could be dealt with.

This is no worse than the folk who leave horses in fields without food, it's neglect and shouldnt be excused because the OP 'loves' her horse. Love is no replacement for lacking knowledge to care for them properly. It's time the horse world sat up and looked at itself for that one.

 

[AmyMay]

Hopefully face to face with SSPCA will rectify that for the welfare of the horses.

Op has been back online since her last posts.

Indeed - on both points.

 

[YasandCrystal]

I'm sure everyone has made mistakes, yes, BUT if that IS the pedal bone coming through the sole of the foot that is a lot more than a mistake... That isn't something that happens overnight, that's something that happens over a period of time and there will have been signs that should have been seen so it could be dealt with.

This is no worse than the folk who leave horses in fields without food, it's neglect and shouldnt be excused because the OP 'loves' her horse. Love is no replacement for lacking knowledge to care for them properly. It's time the horse world sat up and looked at itself for that one.

OP has had the yearling for a month, so doubtful she caused the situation. It was unhandled.

 

[jessieblue]

She came on here for advice and guidance!!!! Is that neglect? She recognised that there was a problem, thats why she posted right?? She had the farrier booked for tuesday morning and she was happy to give her details over for SSPCA to come and visit her. She emailed the vet with photos and she posted the reply she received. The vet didnt say he needed to come and visit her horses urgently! What exactly has she done that you dont agree with since making this post? I dont get it. Those who reported her to welfare will no doubt be advised when she has been visited. If that hasnt happened yet then obviously welfare didnt see it as an emergency either. Im not surprised she didnt update us. Why would she, just to get a load more abuse? Its funny this thread is running without her. She certainly did cause a stir. It could just be that the joke is on us you know!

 

[Scarlett]

OP has had the yearling for a month, so doubtful she caused the situation. It was unhandled.

Didn't say she caused it but *if* that is pedal bone then having the horse a month without taking action earlier is a month too long IMO. As I said it didn't just happen overnight and a month is a long enough time to have seen something like that happening and been able to do something about it.

 

[paddy555]

Just because you've personally not seen a horse with protuding pedal bone walk doesnt mean it can't happen. I am not however saying that this is the case here. I do think, the youngster especially, requires veterinary attention.

I don't understand HHO at all... Users get slaughtered for a LOT less than this. Here we have an inexperienced owner who's had problems with original horse and has no experience. They then buy an unhealthy practically unhandled youngster. No veterinary care has been sought ( youngster should have started vaccinations and had health check - then lice and lami could have been dealt with), it would also be a fair assumption that the HHO mantra of "teeth, tack & back" has not been followed.

Looking at the pics I am struggling to see this is such a serious welfare issue.
Yes they need attention but OP is doing that. She is learning as she is going along and that will take more time but doubtless she will get there.

The youngster is about a year so I don't see that teeth tack and back have much relevance. She has only had it a month. The horse has not got into that state in a month.
As for the feet then I see it is impossible to make any comment as the pics are simply not good enough to make an accurate judgment. (and yes I have seen feet with protruding pedal bones) You say the lami could have been dealt with. No one has actually established this horse has laminitis yet you happily add it to the "list of crimes" Pics were e mailed to the vet. Surely if P3 was in the position that you believe he would have been on the phone immediately advising an emergency call out was required, the horse should be immediately stabled on a deep bed, not moved until he had arrived etc etc


You say that HHO users get slaughtered for a lot less. Is this something to be proud of??????

You say you are only interested in the welfare of the horses.
I am afraid that what really comes across in this thread is a "witches coven" of people who probably have little idea about feet but are basically bullies and have found themselves a victim.
Sorry, I appreciate the "witches" won't like that but it really is how it comes across. Not HHO's finest hour? it certainly isn't.

Perhaps more could have been achieved, if people are genuinely interested in animal welfare rather than looking for a good argument, by being helpful and polite.
If a "newbie" comes on here and has a lot of very stupid questions and no experience what are they going to do? ask questions in the expectation they will be slaughtered and the RSPCA called or go away in which case they may lack the information they need and their animals will suffer?.

 

[TPO]

Paddy I encourage you to look through my previous posts. I've never been involved in any 'witch hunt' and avoid drama at all costs.

Everything I've posted has been out of genuine concern for these horses. I contacted the SSPCA and it is they who decided that this matter does warrant further attention. I don't phone welfare 'willy nilly' but I did feel that strongly and was that concerned about the welfare of D & P. For that I will not apologise.

I was originally aware of OP when she posted in the comp section about issues she was having with D. Her lack of knowledge and ability to meet the horses requirements were, in my opinion only, evident then.

 

[TPO]

She received excellent advice from extremely knowledgeable trainers that she refused to take on board or acknowledge. I had nothing to do with the thread as like I said I try to avoid any drama on here.

I only looked in this thread as I'm a hoof geek and the title lead me to believe that it may be another barefoot transition thread. I only posted out of concern as I've said.

Every owner should have their horses feet regularly maintained. No matter what your knowledge of feet is it should be apparent to everyone who has taken on the responsibility of horse ownership that D & P do not have healthy feet.

The back, tack, teeth was in jest as HHOs answer to everything and as a ridden horse I would expect D to have teeth done and saddle fitted but that's by the by.

Noone can possibly know everything and everyone has to learn at some point but every owner does have a responsibility to provide basic care to their animals and based on posts by the op I do not feel that this is happening.

I've never at any point said that the pedal bone was protruding and don't understand why this point solely is being latched onto. Even after a trim I wouldn't be of the opinion that these horses are receiving an adequate level of care. I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. At the end of the day it's only going to be the opinion of the SSPCA inspector and their vet that really matters.

 

[TPO]

The ' slaughtering' comment was not said as something to be proud of and you're deliberately taking it out of context.

You don't have to look hard in Tack Room to find lengthy threads with users ripping each other to shreds over a difference of opinion.

To me this thread highlights several areas of concern yet some who are usually vocal about, well, most things seem to be of the opinion that a simple trim will remedy all.

I just don't understand the ' one rule for one' mentality of the forum is all. It was certainly not a boastful statement as you inferred.

 

[TPO]

I think that lami IS a serious issue and one that causes equines a lot of pain. I believe that all lami cases should be taken seriously and steps taken immediately. I don't understand your take on it at all < shrugs >


Apologies for the numerous posts; my phone and I definitely don't agree...

 

[amandap]

Looking at the pics I am struggling to see this is such a serious welfare issue.
Yes they need attention but OP is doing that. She is learning as she is going along and that will take more time but doubtless she will get there.

The youngster is about a year so I don't see that teeth tack and back have much relevance. She has only had it a month. The horse has not got into that state in a month.

I wholeheartedly agree.

As for laminitis symptoms... perhaps we all need a reminder, especially of some of the more subtle pointers. http://www.safergrass.org/pdf/laminitissigns.pdf

 

[jessieblue]

I really dont want to be judgemental of anyone on here, but I am failing to see what us arguing with one another is going to achieve assuming OP has already got bored with this thread and moved on! We dont know the ponies actually have laminitis do we?? Or have I missed something. How can we advise about treating/managing laminits when we dont know thats what they have?? (Beggars belief) By now she has had them seen by farrier according to her posts. Surely the farrier would have advised on the next step so its now nothing to do with us! TPO if you reported this case to SSPCA could you not phone and enquire if they have made a visit yet and what the outcome was?? I would imagine they would report back to you as you made the original complaint! If the horses wellbeing is the most important thing maybe that would be the way to go as it is clear marie isnt going to come back and update. Just a thought. I would think if they say the pics and have not yet made an urgent call then they simply cannot suspect any pedal bone issue. Can they?? It did also occur to me that we dont even know for sure if this was a genuine thread do we??

 

[mariebx19]

sorry for the late reply but the farrier has been out,phoenix stood really nicely for him and he has NO SIGNS THAT HE HAS/HAD LAMINITIS,there was no protruding pedal bone,only needed a trim and will have them done more regularly from now on.The vet has been phoned to come out and give them a health check,they were meant to phone back today but didnt so i will phone them again tomorrow.Domino was a wimp,as soon as the farrier started to walk towards him he bolted away from me but ran up to watch phoenix having his done,they are scheduled to be trimmed next week (i will have them in a stable for a few days) but the farrier wasnt concerned by the look of them so he will be ok to wait.

here are the pictures of phoenix's feet.

 

[mariebx19]

he had bog burn when i got him which is why his feathers are like that.