HOW DO MY HORSES HOOVES LOOK ??

[ester]

No i feel bad for Mariebx19 as she doesn't know much but I genuinely think she should have taken on 1 horse rather than two And yes i just saw there was a video

Then everyone would moan she was keeping a horse on its own

and yeah video , I'm not that clever

 

[PucciNPoni]

to be honest, the only mistake the poster made was asking on a forum. Her first call should have been to her own farrier, maybe a bit earlier than this - but not ask on here.

If the poster is as novice as she says, keeping young ponies on her own, with no guidance is never going to be easy and this is potentially a recipe for disaster.

 

[Queenbee]

I have tried very hard to resist commenting on this thread but I really feel I have to, as now it has gone too far with hounding this girl. I really hope she is still reading this thread but wouldn't blame her one bit if she is not. If there is a more alarming and sinister reason for her lack of response, well I hope you all feel pleased with yourselves?

All your self righteous posturing will not do one damn thing to help these ponies. All the vitriol and thinly disguised glee at some posters grabbing the opportunity, yet again, to come together in a screaming gang of harpies, doing their utmost to demoralize and destroy another vulnerable poster. And all of that supposedly in the name of 'only wanting the best for the ponies'! do leave it out, only wanting the most entertainment value for yourselves is more the truth of it.

Is there one single person, within reasonable distance of this young person who would be willing to offer to mentor and guide her through her steep learning curve with these cobs? Don't all rush at once to volunteer will you? If lack of funds is an issue with getting them assessed and on the right track to a happy and healthy future -WITH their present owner, I am with the other poster who would be willing to help towards vet fees if necessary.

It's not self righteousness, I think everyone would agree that this op is out of her depth, lacking in appropriate support, experience and knowledge... Everyone believes that in whatever form, op needs help, support and guidance. Everyone is trying to achieve this, through different approaches yes, but the ultimate aim is to achieve this and ensure that the horses are not suffering/at risk of suffering through the op's ignorance of animal husbandry... We all start somewhere, but op is very lost with this and it does show.

 

[mariebx19]

OP - I would just like to offer my help in any way possible. I know that some of the replies on here are may seem abusive towards you, but in reality the posters are just concerned for your horses.

In my post I posted the pics showing you what pedal bone rotation can look like in order to educate you. I think the main issue he is lack of knowledge - to which you have already admitted. (If my post came off as harsh I apologise - I am just a little shocked more at the lack of knowledge rather than the issues, which could be, and probably are, just overgrown hooves - we won't know until vet/farrier has been and I don't like to speculate)

My best advice to you is read read read everything you can about the care and maintenance of horses and always call a professional eg vet ASAP if you suspect anything is amiss. Please don't let the thread put you off posting your problems, as we are usually a very helpful bunch, if a little passionate

If you have questions, don't be afraid to ask - we all have to start somewhere, it's just a shame that you didn't start before you got yours but its a bit late for looking back now.

They are in your care and it is your responsibility to learn everything you can so your horses have the happiest, healthiest life they deserve.

If you do feel apprehensive about posting on here again, feel free to private message me and I will seek the advice you are after in a much calmer, less stressful way.

Good luck with the vet/farrier.

thank you

 

[mariebx19]

Im another one who thinks a young pony with unattended feet needing to see a good farrier. If that was the pedal bone coming through that pony would be unable to stand. Im another one who has bought rough youngsters with feet needing doing. Farrier first imo

he isnt unable to stand and walks fine.

 

[mariebx19]

I agree, that if that was pedal bone the ponies in the video wouldn't be able to walk - which they do. Not entirely convinced they look *sound* form the clips, but I don't think they necessarily look as dramatic as all that.

However, it seems to me that the OP is winding people up on purpose just from the tone and length of this thread.

i have said i have contacted the right people and are scheduled...you are all the ones that are keeping going.

 

[jessieblue]

When I was eight years old I got my first pony! My sister already had a pony she was 13. My parents knew nothing at all about horses. Didnt really care to learn either. I think they thought it would impress their friends if their daughters had ponies!! We kept them in a field at a farm. Farmer kept cows I take it he knew nothing about horses either!! So we did the best we could two kids looking after our ponies!! God knows whether they suffered in our hands, but as we grew we learned more and more. I read books, I wanted to know everything I could, but this all took time. Im not saying this was right but its how it was for me and many people of a similar age. So what would you say of me??

I am in essex and I have asked OP whereabouts she is based. I would be happy to help although I dont consider myself to be an expert by any means. I have also posted on here to have a huge amount of helpful but very negative comments, its soul destroying and my horses couldnt be better cared for yet still it seems I have let them down in a way! Be careful how you deliver bad news or negative feedback. If the OP were still on here talking to us we may have been able to SUPPORT her in getting help and guidance. Now I imagine she feels more alone than ever. Where will she go?? Back to the YO she had advice from previously because she didnt get any SUPPORT from here, just negative feedback! No one likes to hear that they have done wrong by their horses, no one wants to hear their horses have things wrong. Think of peoples feelings when you give them bad news or criticism. You cant help them or their animals if you can no longer communicate with them! The horses cant come on a forum themselves so if you cut her off what hope do they have?? Think of it like social work. You cant go into a house where children are being neglected and give both barrells to the mother. You have to grit your teeth and find the best way to help all of them so they can find a better way. Education education education!!

This forum should be supportive, well thasts what |I believe otherwise it has failed. There are people on here that have vast amounts of experience and knowledge and its a wonderful tool in helping to solve a problem you may have, but it never can take the place of an expert and a hands on examination and let me tell you, experts get it wrong sometimes too! Lets hope she comes back to tell us all some better news than some of us did originally fear.

 

[mariebx19]

Does everyone agree that the first thing is to get these ponies seen by a vet today, so help and advice can be made available?? I am sure if a vet feels a welfare call necessary that would follow too. Surely the best thing we can do from here is to encourage an urgent vet visit. If money is the reason OP wont call the vet today and we remove that problem then it simply has to be a wind up considering the alarming nature of some of the posts. I can understand some of the anger, but the only thing I really want to do is get help for the ponies that seem to be in trouble in this thread. Trying to win an argument with someone that thinks differently to you is a waste of energy. I am in essex and if OP is in my area I am happy to do what I can to sort this situation out!

of course i care about them but the farrier is coming out and if he says i need the vet i will get the vet,but right now they are still eating,drinking,moving with no lameness,but everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

 

[Casey76]

OP, I haven't read through all of the pages of this thread, but I just wanted to wish you luck with your boys.

Both boys have very overgrown feet, and although not shod, they should still see a farrier every 8 weeks or so, just to be checked, to ensure that their foot balance is still Ok, even if there is nothing to trim.

It has been quite difficult this spring, the ground has been so soft that there hasn't been surface to help wear down the hoofs naturally - and they still keep growing.

Your older boy shows some bruising in the hoof wall, although this will have happened some time ago, judging where it is in the wall, I would be tempted to limit the amount of grass, either by muzzling or by creating a track system in the field. I know how difficult it is balancing the amount of t/o with too much grass in youngsters.

 

[mariebx19]

Yes I agree....yet the part that niggles me is that anyone else would just say "Bog Off the lot of you" unless they were trying to get a reaction. Or they would take the advice given and get a vet out immediately. Neither seems to have happened? So that makes me think that it's a WUM.

i basically have told yous to but in a nicer way because i am not cruel!!!!

 

[mariebx19]

The OP has been told hundreds of times these poor ponies need to be seen by the vet NOW, but she isn't listening and doesn't seem to realise/care how bad this situation is.
Why should people give their money to someone who has willingly/stupidly taken on the responsibility of 2 horses that she cannot look after! Maybe I should leave my horses feet till someone offers me money to have them done I understand that you're trying to be helpful but OP doesn't understand the urgency and thinks her horses are fine and just need their feet trimming. Authorities should be round to see her soon and will hopefully a) educate her and keep an eye on them b) take them away

it was a nice offer but i wouldnt take money from anyone,i am only struggling right now because i had to pay 1 weeks deposit and 1 week advance and have the money for 2 weeks till i get paid again and also pay 1 months livery for the old place because people interfered with him in the last place and he ended scared from a headcollar (nobody should have been touching him) well i cant really say what needs done because im not an expert but i will see what the farrier thinks then get the vet out that same day if i have to.

 

[mariebx19]

Some people just crave attention, good or bad! There could be a genuine cry for help here, somewhere but like a petulant teenager whatever advice is offered gets thrown back at you. If she is genuine then some of what has been said may play on her mind and she may do the right thing. If not, then we tried, so just get on with your lives people.

i am not craving attention,i asked for your opinins and i am obviously going to be defensive

 

[mariebx19]

The only thing that anybody can be sure of is that there are photos of, and the OP has access to, two ponies who don't look in good condition.

That should be the starting point.

they are not in great condition because like many,they wintered out with little grazing and their feet are bad

 

[jessieblue]

Well I think there are a good few people on here that wish you all the best. Will you please keep us posted and let us know how it goes when you see the farrier please?

 

[mariebx19]

OP states that she bought the yearling in December, that's 6 mths ago.


i dont think i wrote this anywhere,i have had him around 1 month.

 

[mariebx19]

This is also what I see.

Good luck with the farrier, OP, and try not to let the hooves go so long without a trim next time .

If possible, get the horses out on the roads for a bit of stimulation to the hooves. Some walks out with the yearling would also be educational for him .

thanks,no i wont,i will definately do that

 

[Queenbee]

it was a nice offer but i wouldnt take money from anyone,i am only struggling right now because i had to pay 1 weeks deposit and 1 week advance and have the money for 2 weeks till i get paid again and also pay 1 months livery for the old place because people interfered with him in the last place and he ended scared from a headcollar (nobody should have been touching him) well i cant really say what needs done because im not an expert but i will see what the farrier thinks then get the vet out that same day if i have to.

Op, I would say this, if the SSPCA are able to locate you, the will SUPPORT and educate you, and if you are struggling financially they may be able to help you get the treatment your horses need in this respect. My concern is you are not able to asses and make adequate judgements on care issues, I rang the SSPCA, because I believe that they will be able to HELP with this, their ultimate aim is to help people help their horses. If your horses are fine, they will leave you to it, if it is a severe neglect case they will remove the horses, if as I hope and suspect its a case of you not knowing what you are looking at and having little understanding, they will work with you and better educate and equip you to deal with this. Ultimately it's beneficial to both the horses and you.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Mariebx19 - It's probably got lost in this giant thread, but I hope that everything goes well with the Farrier.

 

[mariebx19]

There is a wealth of knowledge and good advice on this forum,it would be one of the first places I would ask if needing guidance.However it is also one of the worst forums for bullying and suffers from a certain type of gang mentality at times.Sadly you have been on the receiving end of this for most of this thread.Not HHO's finest hour,but I hope it doesn't put you off returning.

i know,well yes i have but there are people that i will pm if i ever need advice from now on


Your horses feet are indeed far from perfect but IMO based on what I can see in the pics they're not even close to bad enough to warrant the replies on here or to call a vet out on a bank holiday,although that of course is your choice,and if it gives you peace of mind then may well be worth the cost to you.

Personally i think getting a farrier or trimmer out as soon as you can after the bank holiday is a perfectly good plan

i know no i dont think i will until the farrier has been and obviously if he advised a vet then they will be called on the same day



I really think suggesting OP gives her horses away on the basis of overgrown hooves is very OTT.

Even if it does turn out to be a more serious problem,people have issues with horses all the time,it does not mean they shouldn't own them.

thanks.i would never give my horses away just from lack of knowledge or anything,yeah i would get help but i certainly wont be giving them away.


Just hope she has seen the educational links and few genuine offers of help,and can at least take something constructive away from this thread.

yeah i have thanks for them

 

[mariebx19]

There's no videos showing it is The picture of it walking could have been it limping horrifically

dont know if this is what you mean....but im sure i put up a video of them walking..

 

[mariebx19]

OP the feet are in bad condition, the youngster is thin, if you don't mind me asking, what do you actually do with them? Like is the 5 year old backed etc?

i know,although he has put on alot of weight since i have had him...the 5 year old was turned away for 5 months due to pain,since having him i always knew something was wrong with him-he was good for weeks then not so good,the first vet after ages said he had inflammation in his hind right didnt know the cause,he was given bute and 3 weeks box rest,was good after for a while,then went downhill had another vet out who barely looked at him,he didnt find anything but i knew he wasnt right so got an equine massage therapist who found alot of pain spots mostly all in his right hip area,so was advised to turn him away and i will be bring him back into work slowly in the next few weeks.SORRY IF IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE,TRYING TO TYPE FAST..

OP you dont have enough knowledge, please get some

and one more point SPEAKING LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME FOR A WHOLE PARAGRAPH is considered rude and also hard for some to read

OKKK...i dont see typing as rude but oh well,,i put caps on and forget to turn it off and usually really only use it to like highlight a certain bit,

 

[mariebx19]

Manes need a good brush OP! and don't leave plaits in, can cause accidents

they are regularly groomed and omg what are you going to critisize me for next

 

[mariebx19]

Yes there is. I have no doubt that the odd looking sole is not the pedal bone breaking through the sole.

http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/louise_b2010/media/DSCF1956_zpsf90053f2.mp4.html

I have not read the whole of this thread because it's quite hysterical and frankly I feel really bad for Mariebx19.

She does not have crippled horses and she was concerned about their hooves and asked for advice. She has booked a Farrier and has said that she will get the Vet. I'm really hoping that she updates us with her horses progress when they have been.

I do understand why people got so upset, but please give her a chance to sort it out.

This forum can be so helpful to novices - think how proud we all were when Cobsunshine sorted out the weight and saddle issues that their cab had. However there have also been times when 'trolls' have been jumped on, only to later find out that they were genuine posters who were genuine novices but had come on here for help.

thanks

 

[charlie76]

they are regularly groomed and omg what are you going to critisize me for next

I have to admit, taking away all the hundreds of posts on this subject, I can't see what them being a bit dirty has to do with it, and I have never heard of a plait related accident in my whole equine career!!
People all over the country plait the night before a show!!!

 

[mariebx19]

When I was eight years old I got my first pony! My sister already had a pony she was 13. My parents knew nothing at all about horses. Didnt really care to learn either. I think they thought it would impress their friends if their daughters had ponies!! We kept them in a field at a farm. Farmer kept cows I take it he knew nothing about horses either!! So we did the best we could two kids looking after our ponies!! God knows whether they suffered in our hands, but as we grew we learned more and more. I read books, I wanted to know everything I could, but this all took time. Im not saying this was right but its how it was for me and many people of a similar age. So what would you say of me??

I am in essex and I have asked OP whereabouts she is based. I would be happy to help although I dont consider myself to be an expert by any means. I have also posted on here to have a huge amount of helpful but very negative comments, its soul destroying and my horses couldnt be better cared for yet still it seems I have let them down in a way! Be careful how you deliver bad news or negative feedback. If the OP were still on here talking to us we may have been able to SUPPORT her in getting help and guidance. Now I imagine she feels more alone than ever. Where will she go?? Back to the YO she had advice from previously because she didnt get any SUPPORT from here, just negative feedback! No one likes to hear that they have done wrong by their horses, no one wants to hear their horses have things wrong. Think of peoples feelings when you give them bad news or criticism. You cant help them or their animals if you can no longer communicate with them! The horses cant come on a forum themselves so if you cut her off what hope do they have?? Think of it like social work. You cant go into a house where children are being neglected and give both barrells to the mother. You have to grit your teeth and find the best way to help all of them so they can find a better way. Education education education!!

This forum should be supportive, well thasts what |I believe otherwise it has failed. There are people on here that have vast amounts of experience and knowledge and its a wonderful tool in helping to solve a problem you may have, but it never can take the place of an expert and a hands on examination and let me tell you, experts get it wrong sometimes too! Lets hope she comes back to tell us all some better news than some of us did originally fear.

thanks.i am from east ayrshire.

 

[mariebx19]

OP, I haven't read through all of the pages of this thread, but I just wanted to wish you luck with your boys.

Both boys have very overgrown feet, and although not shod, they should still see a farrier every 8 weeks or so, just to be checked, to ensure that their foot balance is still Ok, even if there is nothing to trim.

It has been quite difficult this spring, the ground has been so soft that there hasn't been surface to help wear down the hoofs naturally - and they still keep growing.

Your older boy shows some bruising in the hoof wall, although this will have happened some time ago, judging where it is in the wall, I would be tempted to limit the amount of grass, either by muzzling or by creating a track system in the field. I know how difficult it is balancing the amount of t/o with too much grass in youngsters.

thanks yeah from now on they will be trimmed more regularly and i am going to be building a paddock tomorrow.

 

[mariebx19]

Op, I would say this, if the SSPCA are able to locate you, the will SUPPORT and educate you, and if you are struggling financially they may be able to help you get the treatment your horses need in this respect. My concern is you are not able to asses and make adequate judgements on care issues, I rang the SSPCA, because I believe that they will be able to HELP with this, their ultimate aim is to help people help their horses. If your horses are fine, they will leave you to it, if it is a severe neglect case they will remove the horses, if as I hope and suspect its a case of you not knowing what you are looking at and having little understanding, they will work with you and better educate and equip you to deal with this. Ultimately it's beneficial to both the horses and you.

i will give you my number and they can contact me and i will give an adress and i know i cant that is why i asked on here.

 

[mariebx19]

Mariebx19 - It's probably got lost in this giant thread, but I hope that everything goes well with the Farrier.

thank you,me too

 

[Emilieu]

Hi op. I'm not a million miles from East Ayrshire. I'm in no way an expert but if you need a hand or support with whatever the vet or farrier advise you to do just send me a wee pm - I can't reply from my phone but will do as soon as I'm at a computer. I'd be happy to help if I could. Please let us know what the farrier says. Good luck x

 

[Queenbee]

thanks yeah from now on they will be trimmed more regularly and i am going to be building a paddock tomorrow.

Op that is good to know, you will need to have some trimming plan in place with your farrier as this will not be a case of one trim and then going back to normal trimming, this is going to take a lot of work to get sorted. if you can extend to it, have a look into paddock paradise systems... You don't have to do the gravel and sand, just a general track, it takes a bit extra planning and fencing but it really does help to keep the hooves naturally maintained and the horses fit and saves grazing for the winter. Also, I would not be concerned re the coat situation, babies hold their coats longer, but I can recommend a shedding blade to rid the youngsters coat.

For what it is worth I do hope the SSPCA find you, because I think they will be able to support you to getting your youngster in tip top shape.