How heavy is too heavy?

[Trish C]

Surely if you have a joint condition, a drug that causes "weight gain" would make the condition far worse?

Course it did, but such was the idiocy of the situation (see my original post.) As soon as we realised the drugs were doing more harm than the inactivity they were stopped but by then they'd already done damage

 

[Wolfie]

Surely if you have a joint condition, a drug that causes "weight gain" would make the condition far worse?

I don;t really want to get involved in the mud slinging, but a lot of drugs have the side effect of weight gain. Steroids for example can cause massive weight gain. It also depends on the nature of the joint problem I should imagine.

 

[Chloe..x]

I wasn't trying to be funny or anything, I was just genuinely querying the situation.

 

[Wolfie]

chloe - I wasn't trying to be sharp I imagine it would exacerbate the situation. I just read Trish C's reply which elucidated the matter.

 

[lexiedhb]

If we are to accept that being obese ain`t good for you,apart from that it is bloody hard work(!)Surely then to suggest the way to bariatric surgery,and thus a healthy longer life,is just being caring.At the end of the day it is NEVER some real or imagined medical condition that causes obesity..it is stuffing more than you burn in your mouth,simple.
After bariatric surgery every one of these "can`t help it" people WILL lose the flab,because it makes them eat less..no choice.All of them for ,I think,about £5000 with The Hospital Group could gain a new healthy weight,no aching bones or collapsing knees.Worth every penny,and you can pay over five years too..so no excuses.In the meantime turn the poor horses out to recover until you`ve shrunk.
And NO I do not get commission!

Ohhh whats this- oh a spare 5k just laying about doing nothing- super- lets all have surgery! Really not that simple for most.

 

[Camel]

If we are to accept that being obese ain`t good for you,apart from that it is bloody hard work(!)Surely then to suggest the way to bariatric surgery,and thus a healthy longer life,is just being caring.At the end of the day it is NEVER some real or imagined medical condition that causes obesity..it is stuffing more than you burn in your mouth,simple.
After bariatric surgery every one of these "can`t help it" people WILL lose the flab,because it makes them eat less..no choice.All of them for ,I think,about £5000 with The Hospital Group could gain a new healthy weight,no aching bones or collapsing knees.Worth every penny,and you can pay over five years too..so no excuses.In the meantime turn the poor horses out to recover until you`ve shrunk.
And NO I do not get commission!

Sorry, but you're talking pap!! if you have had bariatric surgery then shame on you for being so smug statistics are now showing that it isn't the answer and significant regain is apparent in a very high % of patients at 3-5 yrs post surgery.

the young lass in the videos looked balanced and a decent rider to me .... what a shame she isn't able to put her point across.

BTW, I am 17st and ride a 16.1hh Clydesdale .... who really doesn't struggle with me - and I'm not 'kidding' myself!, she strides out with a spring in her step and strides back with a spring in her step

xx

 

[darkhorse123]

I have to say that diet2ride's horse tracked up in BOTH video's.

Lame horses don't....and a few skinny minnys on here should take a look at how well their's track up.

It is NOT for me to judge if she should or shouldn't ride her horse..as at no point did he look to be "struggling" to carry her.
It didn't look pretty, but by God, believe me i've seen worse on here
I remember a recent poster who constantly posted about her "weekly lessons"
She was almost revered..but in reality, her riding was dreadful and her progress minimal
Double Standards methinks

see the ops question - how is this relevant - there are clips all over the internet of people who are too heavy for the horses carrying them. Its abuse - reminds me of those donkeys carrying piles of bricks in india or somewhere
Im not saying heavy people shouldnt ride but choose a horse who can comfortably carry you

 

[EAST KENT]

Sorry, but you're talking pap!! if you have had bariatric surgery then shame on you for being so smug statistics are now showing that it isn't the answer and significant regain is apparent in a very high % of patients at 3-5 yrs post surgery.

the young lass in the videos looked balanced and a decent rider to me .... what a shame she isn't able to put her point across.

BTW, I am 17st and ride a 16.1hh Clydesdale .... who really doesn't struggle with me - and I'm not 'kidding' myself!, she strides out with a spring in her step and strides back with a spring in her step

xx

The only way surgery can fail is if some idiot chooses to liquidise Mars Bars or an equally stupid cheating move.If it is a "bypass" technique it is perfectly possible to pig out and create for yourself a bigger "pouch".Usually people who pay for the surgery are more sensible about wasting their money.Statistics HAVE shown that those who get freeby NHS ops do cheat and therefore fail.That is not the fault of the surgeon,just the muppit that wasted his time.Also,before even a private scheme will op they do require you to diet and lose at least a stone,probably as a precaution that they are not wasting resources on someone who won`t play the game.
No ,not talking "pap" at all,and at least it is a subject I am familiar with..by the way I was NEVER anywhere as heavy as you,how tiring it must be.

 

[EAST KENT]

Ohhh whats this- oh a spare 5k just laying about doing nothing- super- lets all have surgery! Really not that simple for most.

They do allow payment over five years..as I said..so NO excuses

 

[Fantasy_World]

No ,not talking "pap" at all,and at least it is a subject I am familiar with..by the way I was NEVER anywhere as heavy as you,how tiring it must be.[/QUOTE]

How obnoxious

 

[Camel]

..by the way I was NEVER anywhere as heavy as you,how tiring it must be.

Not tiring at all I feel great as I was pushing 24 stone until I had Bariatric surgery .... here's hoping once I've lost the next few stone and get to a normal weight I retain a little empathy.

 

[EAST KENT]

Well there you go..well done you!

 

[PapaFrita]

Why are you so p*ssed PF? You got fat kids?

Deflection. The recourse of someone who has no other way to support their opinion.

 

[PapaFrita]

What about the bullying of the poor horses?

And what EXACTLY is being done for the 'poor horses' beyond b*tching on a forum?

 

[lexiedhb]

They do allow payment over five years..as I said..so NO excuses

Which is still nearly £100 per month- plus whatever interest they feel the need to add- I do not have a spare £100 a month or TRUST me I would have had this surgery a long time ago......

 

[EAST KENT]

Why are you so p*ssed PF? You got fat kids?

Very funny though!

 

[PapaFrita]

You obviously haven't read the whole thread, Catty.

And who's the bully now?

Your last comment is rather inappropriate for this thread and forum, but since you asked, I get plenty, thanks.

Seriously? You're playing the 'bullying' card?? You really haven't got ANY other ideas, have you?

 

[PapaFrita]

At the end of the day it is NEVER some real or imagined medical condition that causes obesity..it is stuffing more than you burn in your mouth,simple.

Food CAN be an addiction. It can be a comfort the way other people smoke, do drugs or drink. The difference with food is that unlike booze, or drugs, or cigarettes, you can NOT just give it up 100%. It requires a collossal amount of discipline to eat just enough, especially after years of eating to excess. People eat all over the place, all day, temptations are in place on TV, magazines, etc, that don't exist for alcohol, tobacco or drugs. Food is socially acceptable and even encouraged; families gather around the meal table; it's not about just giving up.

After bariatric surgery every one of these "can`t help it" people WILL lose the flab,because it makes them eat less..no choice.All of them for ,I think,about £5000 with The Hospital Group could gain a new healthy weight,no aching bones or collapsing knees.Worth every penny,and you can pay over five years too..so no excuses.In the meantime turn the poor horses out to recover until you`ve shrunk.
And NO I do not get commission!

Stop making it sound like an easy way out. Depending on the procedure it can be VERY major surgery, can cause problems in it's own right, does NOT teach or encourage healthy eating and doesn't always work.

 

[Walrus]

This thread is terrifying me...I've never felt too big on my pony and I backed him last year, it breaks my heart that I might be too big for him. What do you reckon a 13.3hh stocky, well put together, short backed Fell pony could carry?

 

[touchstone]

Walrus, fell ponies were bred to carry lead from the mines all day, or a shepherd doing a days shepherding, I'm sure your fell will be fine for a few hours a day. Copied from the web:-

"Hardendale Fell Ponies meet today's demand for an all-round and versatile family pony capable of carrying all members of the family. Although the ponies can easily carry the weight of a heavy adult they’re equally suitable for experienced children whilst many have the right temperament for younger children. In many respects the present-day Fell shows the same adaptability that endeared it to the Lakeland farmers of a hundred years ago."

 

[PapaFrita]

Very funny though!

Yes,it was hysterical when my aunt developed an eating disorder after being told she was fat (she was never more than a little bit plump) an addiction to slimming pills and then committed suicide. We still tell the story at birthdays and christmases.

 

[rubysmum]

i am almost too scared to post here - as there have been some very unpleasant comments - but here goes
1. i know 3 pony club mummies who have had gastric surgery - YES - they have all lost weight - BUT continue to have the most extraordinary realtionship with food & they model this relationship out to their daughters - food is a really complex thing for many people - slating peple rarely makes them feel able to make changes
2. the celebrity culture we live in has given us a totally skewed motion of what a woman should look like - yrs ago when i was dabbling in TV presenting - i was told that at 5'7 & 9 stone that i really needed to loose a further stone - may women in the public eye are IRL skeletal
3. most of us have no real idea of what a 12 stone person looks like - we hear 12 stone & expect a person to be huge - i was recently standing next to the max weight note at a large equestrain centre - when the instructor sugested that i have a jumping lesson & i pointed out that me [& tack] would be above their weight limit - she simply refused to believe that i weighed "that much" - i suspect that many posters here who weigh 8 or 9 stone ave some very odd ntions of what 12 or 13 stone looks like

 

[felixlight]

There are so many threads on weight and what a horse can carry.

Most of the time I think people are too 'PC' to be honest or we are not honest enough with ourselves

I am not a skinny person but truly believe that we often don't correctly consider the weight of rider enough!! we kid ourselves and each other

Some say 'In the old days even a small horse would carry a 15st farmer hunting' yes but he would be knackered by the time he was 12/13.

It is said 'oh I am ??st and for example my 15.2h TB carries me fine. Horse may carry you fine for x amount of time BUT it WILL cause extra wear and tear on joints etc

Doctors regularly tell patients lose weight and your knees/hips/back will be much better!!!! and it often works

My view is anyone over 12st who wants a horse to be healthy for years and years needs to chose a horse very carefully, for both bone, breeding and conformation. Obviously the more over 12st you are the more carefully you need to chose and take into account what you want to do with the horse

Totally agree with this. After all, this excludes noone. It is always possible to lose weight and surely worth it for the welfare of the horses heavier people ride.

 

[YorksG]

With regard to those people who claim that surgery and reduction of calories is all that is needed to loose weight, unfortunately you are wrong. There are people who retain huge amounts fluid as a result of food intolerances, surgery would be pointless. I have to agree with the poster who wanted to know where the black and white world is that so many posters live in.

 

[Wagtail]

Usual craic - starts off with a collection of valid points and interesting reading with good cases for both sides of the argument and plenty of food for thought. Then descends into a slanging match

Anyways, for all of the 'abuse' I'm reading about in this thread, I have one for you.

I'm a big unit (am nearly 6 foot anyways and sadly piled on the pounds in my mid-teens owing to medication I was put on for and inactivity caused by a joint condition... course, ironically, this made condition worse but that's another story) but I'm making a huge effort to drop the weight and have nearly dropped four stone. Have dropped nearly a stone since pics in my sig were taken and I don't think I look too big for him in those.

However, I'm large framed - no matter how much I lose I will never be tiny. I used to be one of the fittest people in my school - played every sport I could and rode every single day - but I was never thin. I'm a decent rider, at the very least I have a balanced seat, and I ride 17+ hands of draughty ISH, so hopefully I'm not abusive

However, one of the women on our yard is height and weight wise - I would guess - not that much smaller than me (she's at least 5"7 or 8 and is not by any means skinny, even slim) and rides a 13.3 little cobby thing. Now I don't have an issue with her size in itself as she's not huge, but she's 'not huge' for 15.2+, not 13.3hh. She's not a great rider (unbalanced/not very 'soft') and is quite unfit. The general issue came up in conversation one day, and she said "well when you see [insert horse's name] playing around trying to buck me off, you know I'm not too big for him!". All I could think was "why is he trying to buck you off?!"

Compared to that, my horse has it pure easy

I think you look fine in your sig. Fabulous horse too.

 

[Wagtail]

i am almost too scared to post here - as there have been some very unpleasant comments - but here goes
1. i know 3 pony club mummies who have had gastric surgery - YES - they have all lost weight - BUT continue to have the most extraordinary realtionship with food & they model this relationship out to their daughters - food is a really complex thing for many people - slating peple rarely makes them feel able to make changes
2. the celebrity culture we live in has given us a totally skewed motion of what a woman should look like - yrs ago when i was dabbling in TV presenting - i was told that at 5'7 & 9 stone that i really needed to loose a further stone - may women in the public eye are IRL skeletal
3. most of us have no real idea of what a 12 stone person looks like - we hear 12 stone & expect a person to be huge - i was recently standing next to the max weight note at a large equestrain centre - when the instructor sugested that i have a jumping lesson & i pointed out that me [& tack] would be above their weight limit - she simply refused to believe that i weighed "that much" - i suspect that many posters here who weigh 8 or 9 stone ave some very odd ntions of what 12 or 13 stone looks like

This thread is not about the rights and wrongs of being overweight. It is about what weight is too heavy for your horse. But it seems to have been taken as slating overweight people in general. Why do these people not stop to consider the horses when someone of 20 plus stone is riding them?

 

[Onyxia]

It is about what weight is too heavy for your horse. But it seems to have been taken as slating overweight people in general.
Why do these people not stop to consider the horses when someone of 20 plus stone is riding them?

They DO,that is why the vast majority are riding horses that a capable of carrying them and are not seen doing hard or fast work!

This thread is not about the rights and wrongs of being overweight.

Agree,although you are making it so.

I'm not saying that I would do it, but if a video is put up on the web and set to 'public' then there is nothing morally wrong with people using it to prove points etc on a forum IMO.

Course not,that would mean you need to take responsability for your extremly nasty actions and words- if you are "just" commenting on something someone else has done no harm,no foul huh?

It is not at all obvious to a passing viewer that the girl is only 16. I didn't notice.

Did you want to?

I find the fact that this girl's parents allow her to ride and actually film her, and then allow her to post them up (at the risk of possible ridicule) to be far more morally wrong.

Ah well,if someone has done worse elsewhere that makes it all right then?
WTF is wrong with YOU?
How old are you?

What the h*ll's wrong with them? Can't they see what she looks like and that they are opening her up to all kinds of abuse?

Have you ever heard of irony?

How do you knwo she suffers from abuse in her day to ay life? The ONLY people we know have abused her because of her weight and apearence are YOU and marmalade76....

 

[Onyxia]

This tread is entitled 'how heavy is too heavy' and IMO, this girl is too heavy to be doing the things she is doing on her horses.

But clearly not that of the people around her.
The decision is not yours to make.

I did not seek out vids of fat riders, I found this when searching for vids of local comp venues and was shocked to see someone of this size riding, let alone out competing and hunting.

but you did decide to put the videos on her,increasing the audiance hugely and offered her up to everyone who wanted to join you in a good old bitch.

Odd then,that if you are sticking with your line of being disgusted on behalf of poor,abused horses that you say nothing about the person posted by JunoXV
But then,children are easier targets then adults are...

And since when did we need the permission of the subjects of all youtube vids we post links to? Blue Peter filmed me when I was out riding a few years ago, they didn't ask my permission to put me and my pony on national TV, they just did it.

Wow.
Someone else did it first/worse is no excuse for your own behaviour.

 

[Luci07]

This thread is going all over the place. I am wholly with Papa Frita on this as they seem to be speaking the most sense.

As an adult, take charge and behave in that manner. Posting a video of a child up reflects poorly on you and yes, it is bullying. Agree it was idiotic of said family/child/who ever to post the video up but can't you please play the grown up here? instead of hiding behind "well, she put it up" etc. I REGULARLY am asked to keep an eye on friends childrens postings on facebook. Now yes they are over 13, they have been told time and time again to keep pictures private/postings private but do they? do they heck! and the favourites seem (currently) to be bikini shots in profile pictures... which is open to the internet..

There has been a lot of good sense said on here but a huge amount of vitriol as well. I have known children who are seriously seriously overweight and lying to themselves about it. I also have to say I had absolutely no idea of how to try to help because the other hidden issues that were also going on were huge and well out of my scope.

 

[PaddyMonty]

Odd then,that if you are sticking with your line of being disgusted on behalf of poor,abused horses that you say nothing about the person posted by JunoXV

Wow, 47 years of riding and the first time I've been called a horse abuser. although should strictly be pony abuser.
Just goes to prove you learn something new about yourself everyday.