How heavy is too heavy?

[bugbee717]

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having just looked at this, I really dont think it is fair to comment on these. Her page is very hard to read, but the one thing I can read is that she is 15 years old. As a parent it is not fair to this child that we judge her. I am sure when she sees this, I am she will, she will be mortified.

 

[marmalade76]

15??

Well, if she were my child, I wouldn't allow her to ride until she'd lost some weight.

 

[Hovis_and_SidsMum]

I disagree, she has posted vidoes of herself on the net for the world to see and is, therefore, fair game.

But she didn't post them on this thread. So I don't think that does make her "fair game" to use to discuss this particular issue.

That said as a larger fat arsed rider I would like to thank this thread for making me but down the sandwich and "enjoy" a salad for lunch. I'm sure Hovis will be eternally grateful later.....

 

[jenki13]

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To be honest I'd rather put this girl on my horses back than some of the lighter riders I've seen recently! I know which of them would cause more problems for my horse

 

[PaddyMonty]

said as a larger fat arsed rider I would like to thank this thread for making me but down the sandwich and "enjoy" a salad for lunch. I'm sure Hovis will be eternally grateful later.....

Only if you give him the remains of said sandwich
What this thread demonstrates very well is that a few are a bit to precious with their horses, a few are in serious denial about the impact thay are having on thier horse and the majority have a more balanced, sensible view.

Only two things wind me about about all this....
1) people saying they weigh x stone but ride light. Now I know its a long time since my school days but I'm sure the laws of physics haven't changed. If you are x stone then assuming you ride in balance that is the weight the horse will experience. Certainly you can make it more difficult to carry the same weight, you cant magically remove 2 stone from the horses back just by the way you ride.
2) Yet again it seems acceptable to call people skinny minnies but not the other way round. Serious double standard.

Oops forgot to asnwer the OP's original question
Height - 5'10"
Weight - max 10st 1lb, min 9st 6lbs, male
What i ride ...

 

[Hovis_and_SidsMum]

Oops forgot to asnwer the OP's original question
Height - 5'10"
Weight - max 10st 1lb, min 9st 6lbs, male
What i ride ...

Good god!!
You are SO over horsed.
How do you control that beast?!!

ETA - gloomily realises you weigh about the same as one of my thighs. Celery stick anyone?

 

[PaddyMonty]

Good god!!
You are SO over horsed.
How do you control that beast?!!

I'd rather pick an argument with a 17.2 4 yo wramblood than that little treasure
Just for the record I was event fit then so 9st 6. Put on a few lbs when I went back to pure SJ

 

[Onyxia]

I disagree, she has posted vidoes of herself on the net for the world to see and is, therefore, fair game.

Her profile says she is 16-you are picking on a child.
One that,might I add,is not even a member here and has NOT posted her videos for those lacking in basic compassion and decency to rip apart.

 

[Onyxia]

Muscle and fat weigh the same, fat just takes up more space, if you had a pound of fat and a pound of muscle you would have more fat than muscle, which is why body builders are trimmer and a fat person, but can weigh the same.

If I took a pound of brick it would weight he same as a pound of feathers

Fat is light(by comparison) and takes up a lot of room,while muscle is heavy and compact which is why a 5ft5,10 stone fit runner will look very different to a 5ft5 10 stone office worker

Because it is more dense,muscle does weight more- when you compare a set volume of fat to muscle,the muscle will weigh more.

 

[marmalade76]

Her profile says she is 16-you are picking on a child.
One that,might I add,is not even a member here and has NOT posted her videos for those lacking in basic compassion and decency to rip apart.

What??? Where have I 'ripped her apart'? I simply pointed out that she is over weight!

And as for compassion, I have plenty, for her horses!

If she does see this thread and it prompts her to do something about her weight then that will be a GOOD thing, not only for her horses but for her own health and wellbeing too.

 

[Onyxia]

What??? Where have I 'ripped her apart'? I simply pointed out that she is over weight!

And as for compassion, I have plenty, for her horses!

If she does see this thread and it prompts her to do something about her weight then that will be a GOOD thing, not only for her horses but for her own health and wellbeing too.

You went and sought out videos of a young girl who is over weight.
You then posted them on a forum that seems to have perma PMS of late on a thread that has allready gone a bit OTT and threw them out there - are you seriously asking me to belive you are too thick to know what you did?

You yourself may not have said anything too nasty outright- but you knew those posting after you bloody well would!
We are talking about a very young girl,they are NOT mature enough to deal with the level of abuse that has allready started and wil only get worse as the thread continues- and it WILL continue.
It will also be dragged up again and again and agin over the next few years- this forum has gone downhill far too much

 

[PapaFrita]

What??? Where have I 'ripped her apart'? I simply pointed out that she is over weight!

And as for compassion, I have plenty, for her horses!

If she does see this thread and it prompts her to do something about her weight then that will be a GOOD thing, not only for her horses but for her own health and wellbeing too.

There are a zillion better ways to help someone. If that were my daughter, I'd be extremely angry with you right now. Your objective was not to help because you have no idea if she will even read this thread. Your motive was just to point and sneer.
Now, if you would be so kind, could you answer my earlier question as to the relevance of said videos on this thread given we don't know how much she weighs, how much the horses weigh, how fit they are or how often she rides or jumps and for how long. And even if we DID know, it's not your or my place to judge and censure her, and even less so on a public forum without her consent.

 

[Wagtail]

You went and sought out videos of a young girl who is over weight.
You then posted them on a forum that seems to have perma PMS of late on a thread that has allready gone a bit OTT and threw them out there - are you seriously asking me to belive you are too thick to know what you did?

You yourself may not have said anything too nasty outright- but you knew those posting after you bloody well would!
We are talking about a very young girl,they are NOT mature enough to deal with the level of abuse that has allready started and wil only get worse as the thread continues- and it WILL continue.
It will also be dragged up again and again and agin over the next few years- this forum has gone downhill far too much

At sixteen I wold have been old enough to know if I was being cruel to my horses, and so should her parents.

Goodness me, if I was her parent I would do my utmost to make sure she did not make a spectacle of herself on the internet. It is not a all obvious that she is only 16. I thought she was around 25. Her parents should be protecting her. They are responsible for feeding her too much too, as she is overweight even as a small child. It is usually not the childs fault that they are overweight. IMO it is child abuse to let their daughter get like that. And it is bad that they did not educate her to realise that she is putting her little horses under too much strain.

 

[marmalade76]

There are a zillion better ways to help someone. If that were my daughter, I'd be extremely angry with you right now. Your objective was not to help because you have no idea if she will even read this thread. Your motive was just to point and sneer.
Now, if you would be so kind, could you answer my earlier question as to the relevance of said videos on this thread given we don't know how much she weighs, how much the horses weigh, how fit they are or how often she rides or jumps and for how long. And even if we DID know, it's not your or my place to judge and censure her, and even less so on a public forum without her consent.

This tread is entitled 'how heavy is too heavy' and IMO, this girl is too heavy to be doing the things she is doing on her horses.

Her parents may well be furious to read this, but they also have a lot to answer for. I would not allow my children to get that size!

I did not seek out vids of fat riders, I found this when searching for vids of local comp venues and was shocked to see someone of this size riding, let alone out competing and hunting.

And since when did we need the permission of the subjects of all youtube vids we post links to? Blue Peter filmed me when I was out riding a few years ago, they didn't ask my permission to put me and my pony on national TV, they just did it.

 

[marmalade76]

At sixteen I wold have been old enough to know if I was being cruel to my horses, and so should her parents.

Goodness me, if I was her parent I would do my utmost to make sure she did not make a spectacle of herself on the internet. It is not a all obvious that she is only 16. I thought she was around 25. Her parents should be protecting her. They are responsible for feeding her too much too, as she is overweight even as a small child. It is usually not the childs fault that they are overweight. IMO it is child abuse to let their daughter get like that. And it is bad that they did not educate her to realise that she is putting her little horses under too much strain.

Well said!

 

[Wagtail]

I think that a distincton needs to be made between 'abuse' of people for being fat, which in my opinion is a completely different thing to what is going on in this thread. People are not outraged by people being fat. They are not picking on people for being fat. They are outraged at people putting too much weight on their horses! This could be an obese woman riding or it could be a huge man. It doesn't matter. People are being far too prickly.

 

[bugbee717]

We get asked at local shows if it is ok to photo or video our children, we sign consent forms also at school, this is to protect our children. As I have said before as a fat parent, my oh is not nor are my parents, I would never allow my children to get fat. I am bringing them up to understand what they can and can't eat, this is due to medical issue on my part. Which they to will deal with later in life. No parent wants a fat child, it is shocking when at school the parents get letters telling them there child is out of range.

 

[lexiedhb]

I find it odd that anyone would use video/pics (that are not their own), that are obviously personal to someone- especially to illustrate a point in a debate which the owner of said pic/vids is playing no part!

 

[Lady La La]

I find it odd that anyone would use video/pics (that are not their own), that are obviously personal to someone- especially to illustrate a point in a debate which the owner of said pic/vids is playing no part!

I guess that's what I did with the pic of my friends horse a few pages back

 

[lexiedhb]

I guess that's what I did with the pic of my friends horse a few pages back

Yes La la but this is your friend- not some random child that has been found by typing "fat horse rider" into youtube

 

[Wagtail]

I find it odd that anyone would use video/pics (that are not their own), that are obviously personal to someone- especially to illustrate a point in a debate which the owner of said pic/vids is playing no part!

You can make a video viewable only to your friends or those you give permission to. Everything else is public. It tells you your video is public. I think anyone with a public video can expect it to be used by the public.

And also, you can change its status at any time. She can restrict access to it any time she likes (and the links will cease to work), or remove it altogether.

 

[Lady La La]

Yes La la but this is your friend- not some random child that has been found by typing "fat horse rider" into youtube

This is true! I am excused

 

[lexiedhb]

You can make a video viewable only to your friends or those you give permission to. Everything else is public. It tells you your video is public. I think anyone with a public video can expect it to be used by the public.

And also, you can change its status at any time. She can restrict access to it any time she likes (and the links will cease to work), or remove it altogether.

REALLY? still find it odd, perhaps just not something I would ever do (trawl through Youtube to find a stranger to assist in proving my point, especially a kid). Each to their own then I guess....

 

[PapaFrita]

This tread is entitled 'how heavy is too heavy' and IMO, this girl is too heavy to be doing the things she is doing on her horses.

Again, HOW is it helpful? As I said;there is NO context whatsoever, so WHAT does it illustrate? We all know what overweight people look like. What exactly was your intention except to vilify?

Her parents may well be furious to read this, but they also have a lot to answer for. I would not allow my children to get that size!

Irrelevant and none of your business. You have no idea that this child isn't on steroids or some other drug that has caused her to put on weight. All you know is that you think she's too fat and you feel sorry for her horses. And HOW exactly are you helping her OR her horses?? You're not; you're just being incredibly tactless and scornful and disguising it with your own perceived virtue by NOT being overweight.

And since when did we need the permission of the subjects of all youtube vids we post links to? Blue Peter filmed me when I was out riding a few years ago, they didn't ask my permission to put me and my pony on national TV, they just did it.

Did Blue Peter run a segment on how fat you were and use you as an example of what NOT to do to a horse?? I say again; no matter how much you would like to pretend that your intentions were altruistic, you are NOT; you are pointing and chuntering.

 

[Wagtail]

REALLY? still find it odd, perhaps just not something I would ever do (trawl through Youtube to find a stranger to assist in proving my point, especially a kid). Each to their own then I guess....

I'm not saying that I would do it, but if a video is put up on the web and set to 'public' then there is nothing morally wrong with people using it to prove points etc on a forum IMO. It is not at all obvious to a passing viewer that the girl is only 16. I didn't notice. I find the fact that this girl's parents allow her to ride and actually film her, and then allow her to post them up (at the risk of possible ridicule) to be far more morally wrong. What the h*ll's wrong with them? Can't they see what she looks like and that they are opening her up to all kinds of abuse?

 

[touchstone]

I also feel that 20+ stones is too heavy for many horses, not that horses physically couldn't carry that weight, but all of the weight is concentrated on a small surface area - namely the panels of the saddle. No matter how lightly a rider rides, there is still that area of pressure.

This website has a calculation for working out how much pressure your saddle creates, the recommendation is no more than 2 pounds pressure per square inch as a maximum. http://lorienstable.com/articles/z-fitting/weight/calculate.php

 

[Wagtail]

I also feel that 20+ stones is too heavy for many horses, not that horses physically couldn't carry that weight, but all of the weight is concentrated on a small surface area - namely the panels of the saddle. No matter how lightly a rider rides, there is still that area of pressure.

This website has a calculation for working out how much pressure your saddle creates, the recommendation is no more than 2 pounds pressure per square inch as a maximum.

Excellent point.

 

[lexiedhb]

I'm not saying that I would do it, but if a video is put up on the web and set to 'public' then there is nothing morally wrong with people using it to prove points etc on a forum IMO. It is not at all obvious to a passing viewer that the girl is only 16. I didn't notice. I find the fact that this girl's parents allow her to ride and actually film her, and then allow her to post them up (at the risk of possible ridicule) to be far more morally wrong. What the h*ll's wrong with them? Can't they see what she looks like and that they are opening her up to all kinds of abuse?

I do not follow your logic. By 16 I was perfectly capable of feeding myself- even more capable of spending every penny I had on junk food. I had to go to school, and I had a horse to do- my mother could not have altered my eating patterns even if she had wanted to, she could not have me on house arrest 24/7.

 

[Wagtail]

I do not follow your logic. By 16 I was perfectly capable of feeding myself- even more capable of spending every penny I had on junk food. I had to go to school, and I had a horse to do- my mother could not have altered my eating patterns even if she had wanted to, she could not have me on house arrest 24/7.

The clips showed her riding as a small child. She was obese then too. It's all about education and habit. It's very rare you see a fat child that does not also have fat parents. It has been proved that it i not genetics. The slim presenter on the TV programme 'Embarassingly Fat Bodies', was shown to be genetically more predesposed to be fat than the fat family whose lifestyle she wascovering.

 

[lexiedhb]

The clips showed her riding as a small child. She was obese then too. It's all about education and habit. It's very rare you see a fat child that does not also have fat parents. It has been proved that it i not genetics. The slim presenter on the TV programme 'Embarassingly Fat Bodies', was shown to be genetically more predesposed to be fat than the fat family whose lifestyle she wascovering.

ahhhh but it does happen and for many and varied reasons, so STOP tarring every fat kid/parent with the same brush- you have NO idea if she has medical issues, or about her upbringing, but seem to think it ok to be outraged by it

- My mother is a twig, size 8/10 gym bunny- always has been. Rarely allowed junk food in the house, I was brought up on home cooking, fresh produce, healthy, exercise, etc etc. The moment i went to secondary school I ate junk- shed loads of it, some say it was a rebellion against all the healthy stuff my mum promoted, others that i was greedy, others that it is human nature to want things you have been told you can not have- the point is
It is NOT my mothers fault i am fat
She could have done diddly squat about me becoming fat- unless she locked me up 24/7.

It always amazes me when people say things like " i will never let my kid get fat",- you may not have a choice, or slates some obese person for being lazy, uneducated, and full of excuses. These statements are usually from those who can eat pretty much anything and remain fairly slim, so they have NO idea how hard it can be for some people to actually lose weight, I know if i was the kid in the vid and saw this it would have led me to comfort eat - NOT "do something about it"