How is this vet allowed to conduct themselves like this online?

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“They don’t exist”
“They’re extremely rare”
Then a reply to comment saying you can only diagnose them post mortem.

So which is it, we can’t image them so they don’t exist?

They’re extremely rare? Well how do we know they’re rare if we can’t image them? Also you just said they didn’t exist?

I am so baffled and appalled that a practising equine vet is allowed to post crap like this as if it’s factual and educational. I’m not one to post stuff like this but I need someone else to see this.
 

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Oh no, her again.

Well, my ex Leahurst equine vet, who is far more experienced and qualified than That Vet, says that hind gut ulcers really are a thing, she had seen many horses whose hind guts are riddled with them on PM. My regular equine vet agrees.

It is true that hind gut ulcers can currently only be diagnosed by PM. In a living horse they are more of a diagnosis by exclusion, including a negative scope for foregut ulcers. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and cause real discomfort in a living horse.

Having had a horse with hind gut issues - diagnosis agreed with two vets - this sort of blanket guff statement makes me mad for the horses who will suffer if gullible owners suck it up.

Following the post test Equibiome supplement protocol gave my mare another 3 good years before I lost her to something else. She had been at the point of PTS before.
 
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Quote from another paper;

Russillo references a study performed in 2005 by Franklin L. Pellegrini, DVM, that examined the presence of colonic ulcers in horses at necropsy. What could be concluded, based on the study, according to Russillo, is that somewhere between 44 and 60 percent of horses have some level of colonic ulceration, with a higher percentage in performance horses. “Stomach ulcers are still more prevalent,” she says. “But hindgut ulcers are definitely a real thing and worth having conversations with owners about.”
 
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Oh no, her again.

Well, my ex Leahurst equine vet who is far more experienced and qualified than That Vet says that hind gut ulcers really are a thing, she had seen many horses whose hind guts are riddled with them on PM. My regular equine vet agrees.

It is true that currently hind gut ulcers can currently only be diagnosed by PM, they are more a diagnosis by exclusion, including a negative scope for foregut ulcers. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and cause real discomfort in a living horse.

Having had a horse with hind gut issues - diagnosis agreed with two vets - this sort of blanket guff statement makes me mad for the horses who will suffer if gullible owners suck it up.

Following the post test Equibiome supplement protocol gave my mare another 3 good years before I lost her to something else. She had been at the point of PTS before.
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Not sure why a vet is trying so hard to worsen equine welfare. Having gut inflammation and issues myself I know how painful it can be so why on Earth she thinks ulceration wouldn’t cause a horse issues is beyond me.
 
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Quote from another paper;

Russillo references a study performed in 2005 by Franklin L. Pellegrini, DVM, that examined the presence of colonic ulcers in horses at necropsy. What could be concluded, based on the study, according to Russillo, is that somewhere between 44 and 60 percent of horses have some level of colonic ulceration, with a higher percentage in performance horses. “Stomach ulcers are still more prevalent,” she says. “But hindgut ulcers are definitely a real thing and worth having conversations with owners about.”
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Extremely rare then….
 
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Tiddlypom said:
Oh no, her again.

Well, my ex Leahurst equine vet who is far more experienced and qualified than That Vet says that hind gut ulcers really are a thing, she had seen many horses whose hind guts are riddled with them on PM. My regular equine vet agrees.

It is true that currently hind gut ulcers can currently only be diagnosed by PM, they are more a diagnosis by exclusion, including a negative scope for foregut ulcers. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist and cause real discomfort in a living horse.

Having had a horse with hind gut issues - diagnosis agreed with two vets - this sort of blanket guff statement makes me mad for the horses who will suffer if gullible owners suck it up.
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Echo this; though my vet agrees with her, re no evidence hind gut ulcers exist, though he’s not as arrogant. And thinks my horse is interesting.

I think tide is slowly changing. And there is a lot of hind gut snake oil out there. My bodywork team 100% see the changes in my horse if he has a hind gut flare & when recovers.

My horse gets hind gut ulcers, I think chief causes are grass flushing, possibly mycotoxins in grass or Haylage. He’s had a January flare so this is our best guess.

His symptoms are swinging right hind wide (avoiding that area of hind gut), he tracks wide rather than straight so that hind travels short. He generally goes a bit stuffy. Within 5 days on a medium dose of equishure (encapsulated sodium bicarbonate that’s coated to survive the acid of the stomach so can lower acidity of hind gut) he’s back to normal.

He’s repeated this pattern 6 times. First few times I did a full lameness workup that found nothing (I’m a slow learner). He doesn’t improve if I do nothing when I’ve been a bit slow to realise as I can’t see his right hind unless someone else walks him up for me.

Equishure is too expensive to use long term and i don’t think switching off gut acid long term is a good idea.

I feed maximising gut diversity, low sugar and starch. Good pre & protected probiotic. Also sprouted oats, home made kefir and malted barley extract.

Touch wood I think January was last flare!
 
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AWinter said:
Not sure why a vet is trying so hard to worsen equine welfare. Having gut inflammation and issues myself I know how painful it can be so why on Earth she thinks ulceration wouldn’t cause a horse issues is beyond me.
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Probably to justify things she does with her own horses. (Fully owning I haven't looked into it, I find her posts tedious and narcissistic)
 
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I must tell the university hospital that they got it wrong when scoping, scanning, and taking tissue samples from my horse's hind gut 🙄

How is she allowed to carry on thr way she does? Is there not some board of ethics for vets and how they conduct themselves? I certainly wouldn't get away with carrying on the way she does as a member of a professional institute (CIOB).

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She probably feels she isn't getting enough attention lately so is deliberately posting an inflammatory load of old rubbish to get us all wound up again and bring her into the limelight.

A narcissist loves any attention, so long as people are constantly talking about them they feel good about them selves, even if it's negative press.

She is a disgrace to her profession.
 
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AWinter said:
I am so baffled and appalled that a practising equine vet is allowed to post crap like this as if it’s factual and educational.
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It's the Intarwebs...

There are no gatekeepers: anybody can post any opinion whatsoever.

Nobody knows that you're a dog, and all that.
 
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The false 'facts' she is also sharing in the comments are just awful :-( . So detrimental to any horse owned or cared for by people who believe her.

And apparently, the biggest problem we have these days is that the gullible are always looking to blame their horses' bad manners on the horse having something. No, that's the BEST thing that is happening these days.

Fear of change, and of having to accept you made mistakes yesterday because you didn't know what you know now. If you put yours hands over your ears and make enough noise you can kid yourself you can't hear that nagging doubt.

PLEASE for the sake of your and other people's horses take your hands off your ears, go through the discomfort of acceptance, and DO BETTER. And find some humility.

For the record, we are not gullible; we are intuitive, have empathy, and believe that the horse knows better than anyone how he feels and we are willing to listen and take on board his input.
 
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PurpleSpots said:
The false 'facts' she is also sharing in the comments are just awful :-( . So detrimental to any horse owned or cared for by people who believe her.
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I think that's what angers me the most. She states her opinion as facts, even though it usually contradicts other professionals. Shes in the position that people believe these 'facts' as she's a vet and it can then be incredibly harmful to horse welfare.

I've realised I know another of her clients. This one is also opinionated and frankly a bit unhinged. I am slightly surprised they get on tbh, I can imagine them trying to out-ego each other 😂
 
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