How is this vet allowed to conduct themselves like this online?

[Bonnie Allie]

As I get older and hopefully wiser my new mantra is “just let them”. Folk like this make clowns of themselves and are responsible for their own reputational damage. I can’t stop them.

Great thing about social media platforms is we now know the names and sometimes have photos of the idiots making them easily recognisable so that we may now avoid them.

If someone is really being silly and bringing their profession into disrepute, or putting lives at risk, forwarding a screenshot to the regulatory body is ok. You are simply forwarding evidence that they have put out there themselves of their behaviour.

 

[Steerpike]

I'm going to take a guess I am still blocked!

 

[misst]

I knew it would be SV and was wondering how long it would take before she found a new attention seeking gimmick.
I'm still blocked for asking if there was any money left from her JG page after her horse was treated. Would she be using it to reduce bills for clients in need.

 

[Cloball]

Ok so we know they are there post mortem but they don't exist? Colitis is real but an ulcer which (usually) involves a bit of inflammation of the colon isn't? They don't cause problems which they won't if you don't diagnose them? Her arguements make no sense.

 

[splashgirl45]

Funny how we all knew who it was just from the title, she has some very weird ideas and her followers seem to believe her

 

[dorsetladette]

Probably to justify things she does with her own horses. (Fully owning I haven't looked into it, I find her posts tedious and narcissistic)

Exactly what i was going to say.

Her young horses all show signs of discomfort when ridden. Could easily be ill fitting tack though!

 

[Fransurrey]

It's the Intarwebs...

There are no gatekeepers: anybody can post any opinion whatsoever.

Nobody knows that you're a dog, and all that.

I think AWinter means that the posts of SV fall into the 'bringing the reputation of the profession into disrepute' and all that. There is a code of conduct that all vets sign up to (at least there is in the UK) and she definitely sails very close to the wind a lot of the time.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Follower: What about 'leaky gut'?
SV: A load of rubbish. It doesn't exist.
SV: There isn't any info on it, because it doesn't exist.

Veterinary paper on leaky gut: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0737080616307195?via=ihub

 

[Cloball]

A good clinician imo knows they do not know everything, are prepared to get second/specialist opinions and do further reading CPD. And also listen to people lived experiences of they're/their horses pathologies.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Probably to justify things she does with her own horses. (Fully owning I haven't looked into it, I find her posts tedious and narcissistic)

This. And no doubt suppported by people who would far rather believe their horse:

- Is being a sh*t
- Is quirky (which excuses all manner of things as far as I can tell)
- Has a competition brain which makes it regularly explode

etc etc than maybe horse is physically and emotionally overwelmed or struggling.


She rides them in ill-fitting tack and attributes obvious stress to the horse's character not her own lack of empathy or sensitivity, so this is 100% on brand. It's sad for her horses, but far worse is her influence on others.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Follower asked about hindgut ulcers which are reported to have been seen during dissections.
SV: No photos etc have ever been shared of what a hind gut ulcer is even presumed to look like, so I still maintain that we don’t even have any actual evidence that they can even exist.

Veterinary paper on hindgut ulcers: https://beva.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/evj.24_12732

One of the things which enrages me most about this, given that SV has stated repeatedly that hindgut ulcers not only don't exist, but don't cause horses any issues at all is this sentence in the online paper:

'Of the three cases of idiopathic ulceration, 2/3 cases were euthanised for reasons related to their behaviour, these horses were significantly more likely to have idiopathic colonic ulceration than those who were euthanised for other reasons (P = 0.01).'

This sentence offers the possibility that hindgut ulcers could have been solely or partly responsible for behaviour which was troubling enough for these horses to be euthanased.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I hope that her veterinary colleagues consider that, even if they have steered clear from this before, that this is the time to report her to her professional body for giving extremely poor and downright incorrect advice to her followers.

Surely this has now crossed a competency threshold.

 

[Cloball]

I don't really understand how you can say much in absolutes in veterinary science even if it's your specific area of interest.
To say there is no evidence is to suggest you have read ALL the papers in existence currently.
To say something doesn't exist is just bizarre.

 

[Fransurrey]

I've had time to check out the FB post now and by SV's logic, brain tumours also do not exist in horses. My own boy was found to have an astrocytoma as well as multiple mesenteric lipomas at PM, but I only found that out by donating him to the vet school. I couldn't afford a PM. So, actual diagnosed brain tumours (and mesenteric lipomas for that matter) are quite rare - they are assumed and proposed as a possibility by exclusion. I don't doubt that there's a lot of snake oil out there regarding hindgut issues, but the 'I can't see it so it doesn't exist' argument is quite bizarre from a science perspective.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Oh crikey, they could have had two for the price of one for my poor homebred . I didn’t think to ask about donating her body.

Presumed hind gut ulcers (managed) then a presumed frontal lobe brain tumour diagnosed on the presentation of the only fully observed seizure - repetitive circling after the initial static seizure had worn off.

 

[Miss_Millie]

I have no words left. Maybe just one...disgraceful.

 

[suestowford]

Oh crikey, they could have had two for the price of one for my poor homebred . I didn’t think to ask about donating her body.

Presumed hind gut ulcers (managed) then a presumed frontal lobe brain tumour diagnosed on the presentation of the only fully observed seizure - repetitive circling after the initial static seizure had worn off.

Your post has just made me think back 20 years. I had a horse who did exactly that, and it happened more than once. It was never when the vet was here so never clinically observed. The vet had to rely on my garbled description, which as he'd come to put the horse down, were not exactly coherent. Now I am wondering, maybe he had the same thing. I'd never even considered it as a possibility but your description sent shivers down my spine when I read it.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

in science, any science, there are no absolutes - just what the evidence suggests to be most likely. Most evidence currently points to colonic ulcers being a real, discrete condition.

It's only comparatively recently things like stomach ulcers have been able to be visualised in living horses...up until the late 1930s anything not visible on an x ray couldn't be seen. But still existed. There's no imaging available for PPID or insulin resistance either in living animals, only tests that suggest those processes are going on.

 

[lizziebell]

Dare someone to post links to the papers . Bets on how long before a) person gets blocked, b) post gets removed, c) person gets stalked by SV and ridiculed for something on their profile picture even if it’s not horse related, d) person gets stalked by SV cult followers, e) all of the above.
It’ll be like a game of SV Bingo
I think I’m blocked, so I’m out.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

She'll just block though. Anyone who disagrees is blocked.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Better still, it would be good if someone set up a page called something like

South Coast Vet/NMG - Evidence to the Contrary

But it would have to be run very tightly.

 

[Miss_Millie]

Better still, it would be good if someone set up a page called something like

South Coast Vet/NMG - Evidence to the Contrary

But it would have to be run very tightly.

That would be excellent and I would support its existence fully. Her page is a nightmare of harmful misinformation.

 

[Burnerbee]

Oh, she’s up the road from me! Only just twigged. I’ve driven past the entrance many many times over the years and never seen a horse / trailer / box go in there - and now I know why!

 

[dorsetladette]

Disappointed to see a nutritionist I follow is agreeing with SV x

 

[U.N.Owen]

Her agreeing fans are just sycophants who agree with her blindly because they think that will give them an 'in' with her and she will like and comment on their post. Then they can all be part of a club together.

 

[Miss_Millie]

Her agreeing fans are just sycophants who agree with her blindly because they think that will give them an 'in' with her and she will like and comment on their post. Then they can all be part of a club together.

I wish I could 'vomit' this in agreement, but a sad face will have to do

 

[JenJ]

Disappointed to see a nutritionist I follow is agreeing with SV x

Same.

And the expert dissector has joined them now too.

 

[TPO]

Just looked solely to ID the nutritionist. Unfollowed and glad I hadn't gone ahead signing up for her course.

Why are people endlessly disappointing?

Not surprised by the dissector

 

[Bobthecob15]

She had another rant recently about not using Equest this time of year…yet offered no helpful alternatives and insulted people for asking her the question by telling them to do their own “research”.

No idea who she is but would run a mile from any of her “advice”

 

[Dave's Mam]

Please tell me it's not the Scottish nutritionist.