How is this vet allowed to conduct themselves like this online?

[JenJ]

Please tell me it's not the Scottish nutritionist.

Uh oh.

Don't look!

 

[meleeka]

She did try and justify herself a couple of weeks ago by saying she's allowed to voice her opinions. I
might have a teeny bit more respect if she made it clear they were her opinion only, not facts.

 

[HJJ]

Why bother justifying herself when she just blocks what she doesn't like?

Ah yes, clickbait, to keep the sponsorship rolling in.

 

[PurpleSpots]

She did try and justify herself a couple of weeks ago by saying she's allowed to voice her opinions. I
might have a teeny bit more respect if she made it clear they were her opinion only, not facts.

She maintains a more acceptable way of conducting herself for a short while at times, making sure to specify that her statements are opinions etc, presumably after she's been given a warning from somewhere, but she just can't help herself in the long-term can she, presumably because her psyche is desperate for the excitement and responses her less acceptable and reasonable posts create.

I would feel very sad for her if she were not affecting horses so negatively.

 

[PurpleSpots]

She had another rant recently about not using Equest this time of year…yet offered no helpful alternatives and insulted people for asking her the question by telling them to do their own “research”.

No idea who she is but would run a mile from any of her “advice”

Couldn't agree more. She could do with having some CPD with an equine parasitologist - among other experts. Advice from an equine parasitologist who is at the forefront of alot of research is to worm for encysted small redworms in the autumn. So... now. This is precisely the opposite of what SV has recently ordered people to do/not do.

The same parasitologist states that 'The disease, Larval Cyathostominosis, is extremely rare, and only happens in exceptional cases.' and that there has been discussion within the top regulatory bodies in the UK (BEVA and VMD) about whether a blanket worming of all horses with a wormer for which resistance is rapidly increasing, for a disease which is rare, is really a good thing at all. Yet SV is there, openly ordering everyone to do it - and with the wrong information about the time of year and incorrect reasons why!

There is alot else in the worming post you've referred to that is... Erm... 'Not quite right' too.

 

[Dave's Mam]

Couldn't agree more. She could do with having some CPD with an equine parasitologist - among others. Advice from an equine parasitologist who is at the forefront of alot of research is to worm for encysted small redworms in the autumn. So... now. This is precisely the opposite of what SV has recently ordered people to do/not do.

I read today to hold off on Equest Pramox as it's not nearly cold enough yet & I did think there should be significant frost before worming for red worm would be effective.

I didn't read on SV. I'm blocked & the piece I read was very polite & informative.

 

[PurpleSpots]

I read today to hold off on Equest Pramox as it's not nearly cold enough yet & I did think there should be significant frost before worming for red worm would be effective.

I didn't read on SV. I'm blocked & the piece I read was very polite & informative.

Dr. Martin K Nielsen, equine parasitologist wrote,

'The best time of the year to treat for encysted larvae is in the autumn (nothing to do with the frost, though).'

I'm still looking for further info on the frost concept!

 

[Bobthecob15]

I work in healthcare and an un-named professional was known for making similar “opinions” and basically doing what she is doing. After a long time they were called up to a fitness to practice hearing by our registered body, took years but they were put through the hearing process etc. In the end the person withdrew their registration rather than have it taken off them…however remains on social media ranting etc…

I would imagine if she is registered that she could be held to account in the same way? Assuming people are reporting her?

 

[Tiddlypom]

Please tell me it's not the Scottish nutritionist.

Tbf, one good thing that SV has been responsible for is flushing out her like minded sycophants who might have been hoodwinking others in a professional capacity.

 

[PurpleSpots]

SV: I’ve always thought that gastric ulcers are blamed for a lot of issues that they don’t cause

Just beyond words :-(

 

[southerncomfort]

Weirdly, I'm blocked despite never posting anything, or even liking or disliking, anything on her page.

Deeply disappointed with the Nutritionist.

 

[Fransurrey]

Oh crikey, they could have had two for the price of one for my poor homebred . I didn’t think to ask about donating her body.

Presumed hind gut ulcers (managed) then a presumed frontal lobe brain tumour diagnosed on the presentation of the only fully observed seizure - repetitive circling after the initial static seizure had worn off.

Your post has just made me think back 20 years. I had a horse who did exactly that, and it happened more than once. It was never when the vet was here so never clinically observed. The vet had to rely on my garbled description, which as he'd come to put the horse down, were not exactly coherent. Now I am wondering, maybe he had the same thing. I'd never even considered it as a possibility but your description sent shivers down my spine when I read it.

This is exactly what I'm getting at. The vast majority of owners won't find out for sure, so the only stats are from studies or the odd clinical case study.

Disappointed to see a nutritionist I follow is agreeing with SV x

Nutritionist is not a protected profession. I could set myself up today and there would be nothing anyone could do to prevent me (and I could make a fair go at it - I'm a biochemist who has worked in gastro-intestinal disease areas). As such it's not regulated by one governing body in the sense that dietician or physician is.

 

[dorsetladette]

Nutritionist is not a protected profession. I could set myself up today and there would be nothing anyone could do to prevent me (and I could make a fair go at it - I'm a biochemist who has worked in gastro-intestinal disease areas). As such it's not regulated by one governing body in the sense that dietician or physician is.

I understand that - I'm just disappointed to see her commenting as I have follower her with interest, but I wont have the same respect for her opinion after seeing her comment on SV page.

I wonder if these 'professionals' realise they can damage their reputation so easily.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Weirdly I find that she never did block me even after I posted two quite forceful and opinionated critical responses (who me?? ) to some of her verbal b***shite last time she stirred the drama pot on her Fb page. I think one of my comments even managed to remain for all to see. Odd that....hope she doesn't want to be my BFF.

 

[HBB]

Disappointed to see a nutritionist I follow is agreeing with SV x

I am really disappointed in CM too and have unfollowed her on FB.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

Tbf, one good thing that SV has been responsible for is flushing out her like minded sycophants who might have been hoodwinking others in a professional capacity.

sad that there's even other professionals who agree with such horse-harming vitriol though.

god, humans are dreadful, aren't we.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

to add, it really shows to me that a significant proportion of the horse world - not all of it - but a significant proportion is about performance at any cost regardless of the impact on the animal: even if there is chance that such a thing as colonic ulcers exist, people putting the animals' welfare first would be trying treatments, different husbandry practices, researching...not deciding to carry on as business as usual after reading a rant on fb. The fact that other professionals agree just to me shows that the uncaring attitude that's even hit the headlines of lay publications, about high-level dressage, is endemic.

ETA - not all, obviously, but any is too many!

 

[Fransurrey]

I read today to hold off on Equest Pramox as it's not nearly cold enough yet & I did think there should be significant frost before worming for red worm would be effective.

I didn't read on SV. I'm blocked & the piece I read was very polite & informative.

I actually was behind someone trying to buy Pramox on Friday and the SQP was refusing to sell it. She also said it was too early and wouldn't risk her licence by selling it without a prescription. Redworm become encysted predominantly due to temperature (and Nielsen has published a review containing that), but climate change has shifted the temp change, which is why they now recommend between December and February rather than the more vague 'autumn'. On the flip side, moxidectin covers all larval stages, so although you will have more late larval (LL3) cyathostomins that are encysted, the drug should catch all. Presumably the waiting is due to the infective status - activity is lower at cold temperatures, so reinfection from pasture is less likely if you worm during cold weather.

So, I kind of agree with SV on that point, as anthelmintic resistance is as big an issue as anti-microbial, with no new drug classes coming on board to replace the ineffective ones. If there is even a slight possibility of optimal treatment time, we need to stick to it like glue.

 

[meleeka]

I actually was behind someone trying to buy Pramox on Friday and the SQP was refusing to sell it. She also said it was too early and wouldn't risk her licence by selling it without a prescription. Redworm become encysted predominantly due to temperature (and Nielsen has published a review containing that), but climate change has shifted the temp change, which is why they now recommend between December and February rather than the more vague 'autumn'. On the flip side, moxidectin covers all larval stages, so although you will have more late larval (LL3) cyathostomins that are encysted, the drug should catch all. Presumably the waiting is due to the infective status - activity is lower at cold temperatures, so reinfection from pasture is less likely if you worm during cold weather.

So, I kind of agree with SV on that point, as anthelmintic resistance is as big an issue as anti-microbial, with no new drug classes coming on board to replace the ineffective ones. If there is even a slight possibility of optimal treatment time, we need to stick to it like glue.

If only SV had explained it like that, it might have done some good! Instead she's just made sure all her stupid followers won't worm at all until January.

 

[Miss_Millie]

I am really disappointed in CM too and have unfollowed her on FB.

I do not follow her and for some reason thought it was the consensus on here that her word is not to be trusted - there have been some dodgy things about her online conduct discussed on HHO in the past.

I know I bang on about it a lot, but people need to be extremely wary of the trust they put in the written word of individuals who they have never met IRL. Just because someone has a big following on socials, it does not mean that their writings are based on fact or evidence, or that they even have the qualifications or experience to back them up. If they are the sort of person that delights in blocking and ranting about blocking people, avoid like the plague!

 

[PurpleSpots]

Redworm become encysted predominantly due to temperature

Sorry to seem pedantic, but do you mean 'inhibited' rather than 'encysted'?

It is my understanding that the majority of small redworm species go through the encysted stage, but sometimes they become inhibited encysted larvae during this stage. It's this inhibited stage which is thought to be temperature-dependent I believe?

 

[Slightlyconfused]

Disappointed to see a nutritionist I follow is agreeing with SV x

Oh poop, I was going to book a consult. Won't now, anyone have any recommendations?

 

[Fransurrey]

Sorry to seem pedantic, but do you mean 'inhibited' rather than 'encysted'?

It is my understanding that the majority of small redworm species go through the encysted stage, but sometimes they become inhibited encysted larvae during this stage. It's this inhibited stage which is thought to be temperature-dependent I believe?

Probably!! I'm not a parasitologist, I've just worked with them.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Had I hitherto been a client of the Scottish nutritionist I think that I might now be tempted to enquire of them why they seem to support SV.

I think that I have worked out who this person is, and if I’m right they have been recommended on HHO a fair bit before.

It’s particularly worrying for equine care if a nutritionist with a following believes that hind gut ulcers do not exist or if they do, do not cause issues. Correct dietary support has a great role in minimising the discomfort from hind gut ulcers.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

What training do nutritionists undertake before being allowed to call themselves that and practice as one?

 

[Fieldlife]

Dr. Martin K Nielsen, equine parasitologist wrote,

'The best time of the year to treat for encysted larvae is in the autumn (nothing to do with the frost, though).'

I'm still looking for further info on the frost concept!

Ooh that is an interesting contrast to the view that they emerge (and can then be treated) after several frosts. Which is AFAIK a widely held view which I think has scientific backing.

Anyone know which is right?

 

[Fransurrey]

What training do nutritionists undertake before being allowed to call themselves that and practice as one?

See my point above. It's not a protected profession or title. The answer to your question is 'none'. You can opt to register with an organisation, but unless you see 'registered nutritionist' in their bumpf, they haven't even bothered with that.

 

[PurpleSpots]

Ooh that is an interesting contrast to the view that they emerge (and can then be treated) after several frosts. Which is AFAIK a widely held view which I think has scientific backing.

Anyone know which is right?

I think the current thinking is actually that they inhibit during the cold weather, then emerge in the spring, so the aim is to treat them before they emerge - ie. before it warms up in the spring.

Dr Nielsen is involved in much research over in the States, but also with organisations worldwide I believe, so his knowledge would be in advance of commonly held practices, which have been based on the historical research that we have had access to.

Even just this specific aspect of all of this shows how imperative it is that we are all able to welcome new knowledge and research and adapt our understanding and practices accordingly. Knowledge is always evolving - yet SV tries to make it seem that it's an absolute and rigid thing which she alone has ownership of.

 

[FieldOrnaments]

I actually was behind someone trying to buy Pramox on Friday and the SQP was refusing to sell it. She also said it was too early and wouldn't risk her licence by selling it without a prescription. Redworm become encysted predominantly due to temperature (and Nielsen has published a review containing that), but climate change has shifted the temp change, which is why they now recommend between December and February rather than the more vague 'autumn'. On the flip side, moxidectin covers all larval stages, so although you will have more late larval (LL3) cyathostomins that are encysted, the drug should catch all. Presumably the waiting is due to the infective status - activity is lower at cold temperatures, so reinfection from pasture is less likely if you worm during cold weather.

So, I kind of agree with SV on that point, as anthelmintic resistance is as big an issue as anti-microbial, with no new drug classes coming on board to replace the ineffective ones. If there is even a slight possibility of optimal treatment time, we need to stick to it like glue.

Sqp?

 

[rhino]

Sqp?

Suitably qualified person. You need training to be able to sell wormers.