How NOT to ride a young horse forward.

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Im sure that if and when this case goes to court any questions will be answered , as for the band wagon jumpers - is this not a public forum is this not a place for opinions and questions .. oh no wait ... you cant do that for fear of a backlash. Small minded people. Away back to your pirelli and native horse handbooks.
 
Heroandleander you are an insensitive creature.

If the owner didnt care then why go get the horse back?

Perhaps you are in league with the dealer?? Just going by your insinuation and compete lack of sensitivity in asking these quite unnecessary questions! I know people who have sold to dealers not knowing their rep and they havent had the horror of seing things like this but when they ahve found out their rep have felt bad about, nowt you can do the horses are gone if turnover is quick.

If it wasnt for the pr@tts posting it on the net then Popdosh wouldnt have had a clue that he was being treated like that. They didnt even know it was these dealers that he went to.

Your getting jumped on due to your own actions, people just dont randomly pick a name and go for it online, your making your own bed as far as I see it.
 
heroandleander said:
and for having my own opinion as kirstykate did earlier i should not be attacked.
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Your opinion is about as useful to the situation as hers was, though, hence the opprobrium.

The facts are all out there now. The people who did this to the horse are the villains of the piece, NOT the owner who was totally misled and who did everything to remedy the situation as soon as he could. So please, with respect, lay off.
As for "there is always a home for a horse" - sorry, that is unbelievably naive. If we had a cull and eliminated a few hundred thousand of the dross, so that there was a slight shortage, and limited breeding, perhaps there would be. Horses and ponies are starving to death every single day in this country. Just look at SWHP's work for example. The rescue centres are swamped. The fact that even a really well-bred, well-produced little horse like this ended up in a hell-hole through NO fault of his own OR HIS OWNER'S proves what a mess the whole situation is at the moment.
 
I have not once accused the owner of being to blame so please do not insinuate that i have. I take it you know the owner personally then and know everything on this thread to be fact ? If so hey i put my hands up for daring to ask questions , how dare i , on a public forum. I have no interest in the dealer or anything to do with them , personally the first thing that struck me was the rider was still hitting the horse even when the horse stopped bucking. Secondly , this has generated so much interest i think its fair to say Ticktock will now have his choice of homes , thirdly yes of course i questioned as to why the horse ended up where he did as i think that is the obvious first question to ask ! And lastly ticktocks owner answered said questions without behaving in such an example as you are !
 
heroandleander said:
Where at any point have i insinuated anything amymay ? That there could land you in trouble on a forum like this , i have not insinuated nor accused nor grilled i have asked questions which ticktocks owner has been happy to answer
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I agree with amymay, you ARE grilling the owner, it is absolutely none of your business how long they advertised the horse for.

You also seem to be living in a little bubble re there always being a suitable home available. That'll be why the sanctuaries are full and horses are being dumped!

The mere fact that this owner behaved in a very responsible way, and, as soon as they realised where the horse was, they went and bought it back.

I cannot help but wonder if you have a connection to the dealer?
 
heroandleander said:
'Perhaps you are in league with the dealer??' is an insinuation dear and has been reported.
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ohh i can see that standing up in court "Sparkly Whip - you are accussed on the 28th November of stating that "HEROANDLEANDER" were in league with the dealer - how can libel be against some unknown person with the name of HEROANDLEANDER...

but anyway's thanks for confirming why you are still posting... just looking for someway to get the post pulled or a bit of amo for when the dealers go to court !

Can anyone suggest that TFC locks this thread so it will remain for the world to see and not get pulled, as is so obvious the want of HEROANDLEANDER
 
kerilli said:
looks like a question to me.

'dear'?

Oh dear oh dear oh dear...
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LOL that sort of sillyness doesnt provoke me, done to death really and something a blind man can see through to provoke a situation to take the heat off themselves and make others out to be the bad ones. H&L can carry on :)

And it was a question hence the question marks. You seem quite happy to ask hard questions that hurt people so maybe you are getting a taste of your own medicine with my question H&L???
 
heroandleander said:
I have not once accused the owner of being to blame so please do not insinuate that i have. I take it you know the owner personally then and know everything on this thread to be fact ? If so hey i put my hands up for daring to ask questions , how dare i , on a public forum. I have no interest in the dealer or anything to do with them , personally the first thing that struck me was the rider was still hitting the horse even when the horse stopped bucking. Secondly , this has generated so much interest i think its fair to say Ticktock will now have his choice of homes , thirdly yes of course i questioned as to why the horse ended up where he did as i think that is the obvious first question to ask ! And lastly ticktocks owner answered said questions without behaving in such an example as you are !
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No and I hazard a guess that you don't know all the facts either.

Only the investigator will establish all of the actual facts shortly.
 
heroandleader- it has already been explained in detail how the horse ended up where it did. Can you not read?

Or is that libel too? :p

Several people on this thread seem to know the owner in real life and are happy to vouch for them. I'm sure that is enough for any normal person to content themselves with.

Why don't you ring WHW and ask them their official line on selling/rehoming horses as opposed to PTS before spouting nonsense about any horse being saleable?
 
Lol ladies ladies go back to your week tea and knitting ? Seriously , a public forum leaves one open to being questioned , questions gather at best facts , the fact here is you people do not like anyone having any kind of opinion that differs from your own and gather like stray dogs in an alleyway waiting to pounce on anyone who dares to ask a question ! Shame on you ! And please do keep this thread going i think its a good thing its in the public domain !
 
Moomin1 said:
No and I hazard a guess that you don't know all the facts either.

Only the investigator will establish all of the actual facts shortly.
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Hence my reason for asking the owner the facts and not other people on this forum who dont know him from adam but instead ive been bullied for doing so
 
heroandleander said:
Hence my reason for asking the owner the facts and not other people on this forum who dont know him from adam but instead ive been bullied for doing so
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It isn't for anybody other than the investigator to establish the 'facts' at this stage.

And how long it's been up for sale is pretty irrelevant anyway!
 
heroandleander said:
Only ignorance! Don't you know it is the worst thing in the world, next to wickedness?" !
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And your point is?
I'm not the ignorant one in this situation, I assure you. Whether we're talking about this individual case or the nation-wide plight of many equines.
Also, I can tell the difference between a question and a libellous accusation.
And condescension really gets my back up, even when it's aimed at someone else initially.

Anyway, back to the point of the post. What else needs saying?
 
heroandleander said:
Im sure that if and when this case goes to court any questions will be answered , as for the band wagon jumpers - is this not a public forum is this not a place for opinions and questions .. oh no wait ... you cant do that for fear of a backlash. Small minded people. Away back to your pirelli and native horse handbooks.
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What's wrong with natives? For the record, my horse is a bred to jump warmblood. Please lets not draw parelli into this.....
 
heroandleander said:
the fact here is you people do not like anyone having any kind of opinion that differs from your own and gather like stray dogs in an alleyway waiting to pounce on anyone who dares to ask a question ! Shame on you ! And please do keep this thread going i think its a good thing its in the public domain !
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Actually you know that's not true (having seen how long you've been on the forum, and presumably reading it).

And as you have now admitted that your opinion differs from every other poster on this thread, why continue to contribute? As for your questions, well they're really not relevant in this particular instance.

And the bullying card???? Please....................
 
I'm failing to see the relevance of any questioning regarding the horse needed when it comes down to a video, made public nonetheless, of a horse getting basted no less than 20 times in no more than a minute or two.


In what world, is THAT acceptable. No horse 'needs' that or 'has that coming for it', regardless. If any one is still in that frame of mind around horses, then, you need to quit your day job frankly. [Nothing to do with 'Parelli' or native breeds, I fail to see the relevance of that comment?]


Fine, anyone feel free to question the [previous] owner, question everything else you feel like questioning...but ultimately, it comes to down that act shown on the horse surely.

I see NOTHING to question with that.
 
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heroandleander said:
Hence my reason for asking the owner the facts and not other people on this forum who dont know him from adam but instead ive been bullied for doing so
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You havent been bullied you have been questioned about your insensitive and pointless probing questions. How long the horse was for sale is not relevant what is relevant is the threatment a horse was given hours after it entered into a dealers care. Why it was treated that way and how long has that sort of thing been going on.

All the testimonials from people across the plethora of threads that have erupted on this forum from people who have bought clearly abused, disturbed and sometimes drugged horses from a certain dealer, sometimes with the incorrect passports, papers and even ages, go look for yourself.

You are coming across as defending some of the dealers actions whether or not you are doing that is irrelevant as all people can go on is what you post. If you feel you have been slighted then maybe you should have thought your course of action through and not posted until you had actually looked at the questions and how they would come across. Actions have reactions you have to be aware of that on public forum and in life.
 
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ChristmasSparkles said:
I'm failing to see the relevance of any questioning regarding the horse needed when it comes down to a video, made public nonetheless, of a horse getting basted no less than 20 times in nor more than a minute or two.


In what world, is THAT acceptable. No horse 'needs' that or 'has that coming for it', regardless. If any one is still in that frame of mind around horses, then, you need to quit your day job frankly.


Fine, anyone feel free to question the [previous] owner, question everything else you feel like questioning...but ultimately, it comes to down that act shown on the horse surely.

I see NOTHING to question with that.
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Yes, exactly. The video stands alone. ANYONE who knows horses can see that that horse was NOT a bronco, was NOT dangerous, was being goaded into bucking.
The age of the horse, the previous history, how long it had been there, the fact that it had been sedated, the fact that there are videos which were already in the public domain of it going sweetly with a rider on... these are just further nails in the coffin, but the basic fact remains, that was out-and-out ABUSE and CRUELTY.
I hope these people decide to leave the horse business completely. Why work with horses if you hate them? Please, if you're reading this, go and do something else with your lives. Horses don't EVER deserve that kind of treatment. Finding it funny makes it even worse. :( :( :(
 
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