HUGE RANT!!!!!!!!!!! I can't believe she did that...!!!! ANNOYED

[_Jazz_]

RE 'Hang on a second - as far as I have read it does not say ANYWHERE that the horse is without feed Nothing wrong with a horse going out a bit later or indeed at all if it suits the owner - so long as the horse has access to water and forage then where is the welfare issue? '

1/ Welfare also relates to issues other than access to food
2/ Owning an animal means responsibility which in turn means being considerate
3/ How long would you leave your horse 'in' to 'suit' you? A day, a week ?

 

[_Jazz_]

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where in the original post is there a statement that says the horse is neglected in any way, the horse is either turned out full time or stabled isnt it so whats wrong with that?

ive seen horses stuck in stables all day until about 7.30pm at night at some livery yards!

just because the livery chooses not to turn up to check on her horse at a designated certain time of day doesnt mean shes neglecting her horse does it? so she hasnt been turning up at 11 am(given as an example) to check her ned, so what, surely she can go when she likes (daily i assume), especially when its turned out grazing?

if she aint a suitable livery then maybe its a bout time she left, like everyone else has said, or maybe start imposing some rules to make it unbearable for her to be there so she moves off anyway?

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1/ 'neglected in any way, the horse is either turned out full time or stabled isnt it so whats wrong with that'
It is not that clear cut!
2/'ive seen horses stuck in stables all day until about 7.30pm at night at some livery yards! '
So that's OK , is it?
3/'just because the livery chooses not to turn up to check on her horse at a designated certain time of day doesnt mean shes neglecting her horse does it? '
It might do... Please remember there is psychological neglect in addition to physical neglect to consider

I feel it may be prudent to add to 5 Freedoms that must now be considered:

1. Freedom from Hunger and Thirst - by ready access to fresh water and a diet to maintain full health and vigour.

2. Freedom from Discomfort - by providing an appropriate environment including shelter and a comfortable resting area.

3. Freedom from Pain, Injury or Disease - by prevention or rapid diagnosis and treatment.

4. Freedom to Express Normal Behaviour - by providing sufficient space, proper facilities and company of the animal's own kind.

5. Freedom from Fear and Distress - by ensuring conditions and treatment which avoid mental suffering.

 

[henryhorn]

I am afraid I agree with Tinsel Dragon, you seem to be far too interested in what she does and when. If your horse stresses buy an old pony or mini shetland to keep in the field.
The worming is definitely a no win situation, but if it's your yard you should have asked her what routine she intends to follow and ask her to notify you when she has wormed her horse.
I've run livery yards for many years, and you have two choices, either ask her to leave or leave her mostly alone, from her behaviour it's obvious you are irritating the hell out of her, it does sound as if you are a bit of a control freak, sorry....

 

[samsaccount]

Henry, I have had no contact with her at all (and hardly any in the past apart from the odd occasion when we bump into each other on the yard) and the last time i did was just to ask if she just wanted any help when her horse is brought in, how can i be irritating 'the hell out of her' if that is all i have asked of her, since i never see or speak to her?! Also if i was a control freak surely i would have gone ahead straight away and told her i was going to do this/this/this and this and want everything done by this time and in this order.....isn't that controling in comparison to asking what i should do and saying what i would prefer todo and why...but have not actually carried these actions out?

Her horse (when her mother owned her) her mothers horse and my horse have all had the same routein for a number of years. So there was no need to ask what her routein was i also told her after he mother had moved yards (due to moving house) that i will get her the worming program (since me and her mum only had the dates written down in a diary each not just set out on one page as full routine) - this was because the livery in question had had nothing to do with the horse (which had been bought for her) therefore did not have a worming program. I gave her the worming program both horses had been under but like i perviously said she never mentioned that she had wormed my horse......the horses have had a routein (both worming and turnout) and it has been the same each year (apart from last year when we only had 2 stables so my horse had to be left outside).

I have also said that now i step back and think it is not her fault that my horse stresses out, so i am sorry if i have offended or annoyed anyone for previously saying that. So that is not an issue now because it can't be helped. I just thought it would be best if both were turned out together as hers can get equally as stressy and don't want either of them causing damage to themselves or for anyting to happen to the livery when turning her horse out, granted it might not do.