Hunting. For or Against?

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Oh please. Straightforward question and everyone is entitled to an opinion. But hunting live animals for the fun of seeing them run away and hopefully kill them later? No thanks. It's barbaric. I've asked this before and no-one has ever offered a valid and considered answer.

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I have shamelessly copied this as a reply I have used many times but I hope it answers your request for a valid and considered answer............


You have to remember that there is not a single inch of natural land in the UK - every little bit of the countryside that you see is man made, managed by man etc. Even here on Exmoor where tourists would consider this a wilderness, infact it has been completely reshaped by Man over the centuries.

Obviously this then has an impact on the ecology, natural food chain and wildlife.

It is also very important to remember that these large areas of rurality are only in existence because of the gain to the local people who shaped them over the years - lets not forget that authorities such as the National Parks and National Trust are extremely young in the timescale of our being here on earth! If it were not for the farmers/small holders/crofters of centuries back who maintained this countryside - it would not exist now for the Government to take over and control with their subsidies, planning etc.

In conclusion it has now come about that foxes and other wildlife have to be culled by human resources in order to keep a healthy balance - ie that is how we have made it. To people who work and farm the countryside that you so enjoy, vermin control has to be carried out by ourselves.

The argument for and against hunting then comes down to whether you feel that vermin control could be carried out in a more appeasing manner than hunting. Currently we have the alternative options of snares, shooting or poison.

Which would you choose?

Have you ever heard a litter of fox pups crying night after night because the vixen has been shot? Probably not, but at least hunting is done within a closed season and prevents this. Have you ever come across an animal caught in a snare? I assure you it is not pleasant.

So, unless an alternative to hunting can be found - in my mind, the traditional way wins hands down. It really doesn't matter who follows and for what reasons if you have the quarry's welfare at heart.
 
I'm against regular hunting simply because of the people that do it. When i was about 5, they stromed into our garden, and proposed to set the hounds into our shed, as the fox was in there. A lot of effing and blinding set them straight, and I've been anti ever since. Not a greeat way to gain support IMO, in front of a 5 year old horse riding kid, and proposing to kill a fluffy animal in her shed.

I've no problem with dragging, however - I like this saying

"Draghunting is hunting for the ride, regular hunting is riding for the hunt."

And that's how I view it. If those people hadn't been suck stuck up a*seholes when I was 5, I would probably be impartial right now.

That's not to say everyone who does it is a stuckup a*sehole, btw, its just they were so rude and unpleasant, storming onto our land with their horses and hounds in our garden. downright disgraceful.
 
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For. Wish this snow would bog off so we could actually get out.
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Ditto this! It's driving me crazy not being out.
 
Eventer96 - Thing is your on what is basically a pro-hunting magazines forum so MOST people on here will of course be "for". Personally, I am 100% against. I don't venture into the hunting thread, I am only here because it is the biggest, most active horsey forum otherwise! I'm not going to get into why I am against it, this isnt the place.
 
Against - I do know what it is all about and I am against mainly because it is such a bloody pain when the hunt is around as it drives my horses mad and twice they have slipped and pulled various things whilst hooning around the paddock. They are even worse kept in so can't win. They churn up all the local bridleways and upset lots of local farmers by trashing their land and leaving gates open. Not all country people support hunting - an awful lot feel just like me. I can see the point in hunting in the Shires where there are acres of open land to ride on but in Sussex and Surrey its so stupid as they just gallop up and down the roads and through the same old stretch of wood every time.
 
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Oh please. Straightforward question and everyone is entitled to an opinion. It would have been a better poll if it had said "hunting live animals - for or against" I've got nothing at all against drag hunting. But hunting live animals for the fun of seeing them run away and hopefully kill them later? No thanks. It's barbaric. I've asked this before and no-one has ever offered a valid and considered answer. Bear baiting, dog fighting, cock fighting has all been outlawed. Why is hunting live animals (deer, hares, foxes etc) any different? Otter hunting has only recently been stopped. Why not carry on with that? Would you pay to go and shoot lions or rhinos in Africa? If not, why not? Please, someone explain it to me. What I believe is that many people haven't thought through the ethical issues that inevitably have to apply to a far wider canvas. I fear that many, many, many people approve of hunting live animals on horseback because they like the thrill of the ride. Sad.

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Agree with this, word for word! I am against hunting of any kind, unfortunately we live in an area where hunting (deer and wild boars) is allowed and thriving and it's just a nightmare. Hunters thrashing our (fenced!) paddocks, showing no respect for anybody (human or animal) by shooting really close to the houses (at one of my old yards they shot standing near Rauti's fence, about 15 yards away from Rauti. In the other direction obviously, but Rauti went absolutely crazy and could't be caught for what seemed an eternity).
We cannot walk the dogs in our woods on hunting days as they shoot anything that moves. They shoot before the season starts and continue shooting after it's ended (obviously it's illegal, but I am scared of them, and would never start a discussion with someone who's got a rifle in his hands and is prepared to kill live animals 'for fun').

I just hate it, and so wish it was outlawed in Italy
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*Disclaimer: this refers to all forms of hunting, not specifically horse hunting.
 
I am for hunting, I used to hunt and still like to follow in car/foot when I have time. I do think some of the hunting folk (round here anyway) do need to learn some manners though. A few seasons ago hounds ran along the back of the private lane my mum lived on, cue all the car followers going up there. At one point I was going up there to see mum and met one of the masters (not riding that day) and no way would he back up or move over on to the verge (he had a range rover). I had to pull into the ditch in my little Saxo, ws not impressed!
Hounds don't come round here which means farmers use other means to control foxes. There has been a pair of foxes coming in our field all winter one of which is lame and getting progressively worse. I don't know if it has been shot but whatever the cause it is suffering. If the local hunt came here there is a good chance the poor thing would be dispatched quickly, but sadly that isn't going to happen.
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Like some of the other replies, it is the general lack of manners and the rudeness from the hunting community around my area that is unlikely to make me change my opinion of them.
 
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Have you ever heard a litter of fox pups crying night after night because the vixen has been shot? Probably not, but at least hunting is done within a closed season and prevents this. Have you ever come across an animal caught in a snare? I assure you it is not pleasant.
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No, but I have been stationed on the outside of a copse where the huntsman knew that there was a nearly grown pack of cubs, and told to bang my boot with my stick to make a noise so that the cubs stayed in the wood when the hounds were put in to slaughter them all. That's called "Cubbing" to the uninitiated.

The answer to this is to have a closed season for shooting and ban snares.

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So, unless an alternative to hunting can be found - in my mind, the traditional way wins hands down. It really doesn't matter who follows and for what reasons if you have the quarry's welfare at heart.
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It doesn't need finding. It already exists and for a couple of centuries it has been the way that most foxes are killed, even when fox hunting was legal. It is as effective at humanely killing foxes as hunting with hounds, possibly more so. It is lamping by serious gunmen, (not the local lad with an airgun). Two serious shooters, one previously a pro-foxhunter and now anti, posted on the Hunting thread to dispute the fox hunters' claims that shooting is not humane.
 
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The animals mentioned in the above quote are innocent harmless creatures. Foxes are pests for all farmers, and their mangey mankey over grown rats
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Boar can be vicious and root up the ground and deer eat new plantations and are riddled with lice that sheep catch. In excess, any animal is a pest.

In the right numbers however, foxes have great usefulness. Kill all the foxes in an area and see how soon it will be overrun with rabbits.
 
I used to be totally against it - thinking that foxes never did any harm and that their hunting farm animals was only instinct to them and that they didn't know any better. And to some extent this is still true. they are predators and hunting is what they do.

But now i understand more about the sport. A dog can rip a fox to shreads in minutes. much better than it dieing slowly of old age and starvation, or being hit by a car and left injured and unable to hunt.

Thinking about it, i am probably for hunting now, as i have just bought my first pony who is an experienced hunter and i would love to take him. The only time i think fox hunting is wrong is when the fox runs down a hole and back to its set nd the hunt sends dogs in to get it.

It's a sport, and sports are meant to have a winning and a loosing team. It's the thrill of the chase. If the fox goes down a hole its won and the hunt should accept that.

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"The answer to this is to have a closed season for shooting and ban snares."

Trouble with that is that a fox will take lambs in the spring. The closed season for deer actually doesn't apply if the deer is doing serious damage, nor would it for a fox.

If a lactating vixen does have to be shot then pretty much the only way to flush her cubs out is by using terriers underground.
 
I am on the fence at the moment. Have hunted for years and do know what its all about - and really object to the pros who think antiness is only caused by ignorance.
It is a cruel inexcuseable sport but foxes are horrible things and deserve what they get!
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Not so sure about stag and hare hunting though (have done both). I think a hare would prefer to be caught by my lurcher than run to exhaustion, and stags would be better off shot.
 
QR- definitely for, even more so as this is the first season I've been lucky enough to have the opportunity to go out mounted... love it!
 
To add, having read a few replies now, there was a vixen calling here 2 weeks ago, assuming she found a mate she will be having cubs well before the end of the hunting season.
Have you pros ever had to stamp on the cubs that were ripped from a vixens womb by the hounds and were so near birth they were kicking and mewing?
 
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The animals mentioned in the above quote are innocent harmless creatures. Foxes are pests for all farmers, and their mangey mankey over grown rats
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WHAAAAAAAT?lol
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For. The people against it are the people who don't understand what it's for
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Ditto this

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That makes two ignorant people contributing to this thread then.
 
Pro hunting..
its an old tradition and an incredible way of training jockeys and young horses.. not to mention great fun !

I love fox's i think there incredible little animals..but they are predators and are pests in the countryside.

I dont think that hunting controls fox populations very well but i do think that for the other benifits it brings in employment, training and tourism that hunting is important.

Its considered acceptable to lamp shoot, snare and poison fox's as a means of control at least with the hunt the animal dies quickly if its caught.

They havent banned hunting here in ireland yet... although the Greens have seriously tryed to curtail the Ward stag hunt...
But i think if they try there will be huge protests to a ban. hunting is to important to our horse industry to sacrifice for politics and the horse and agriculture industry over here have a larger voice with more political clout than the England
 
i ticked unsure... i was fiercely pro and am now leaning the other way.

i just don't feel comfortable with the chase anymore and am looking at supporting the local drag hunt instead.
 
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For. The people against it are the people who don't understand what it's for
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Ditto this

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One thing I don't understand is what proof you have for this
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Quite a bold statement with very little, if not no, evidence - that won't pass you any english exams
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I'm against fox-hunting.

110% for drag hunting/ cubbing etc

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I'm afraid cubbing is only hunting young foxes, so you can't mean that.
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