Hunting is in a spot of bother

I would like to know where Google got that from as I could find very little actual information about this.
Found it! LACS are the source. That may be a bias you are comfortable with but this is not reliable in mine or the police's book tbh and not substantiated or verified. Other searches say there is very little information about hounds killing pets.
 
I know some pets and farm animals are killed by hounds, and even one is too many. I can’t imagine the distress of seeing or finding the result.
Equally if I was out there walking my dogs and met a pack of hounds I would not panic, whereas even one single dog coming at me could well freak me out.
 
Found it! LACS are the source. That may be a bias you are comfortable with but this is not reliable in mine or the police's book tbh and not substantiated or verified. Other searches say there is very little information about hounds killing pets.
It's on the news fairly regularly, the Warwickshire (I think) (who chucked the carcass back over a garden fence) and cats the Meynell and alpacas, there are 3 or 4 other incidents who's pack I can't remember... Just because you can't find police records of it doesn't mean it hasn't been reported on.
 
ah that's quite different from what was said a few years back.

On a further look Dazzleby Chorister is a 2015 hound and appears to be her most recent breeding registered to KC. There is another showing hounds now, Hannah Waugh whose partner is a huntsman.
 
I know some pets and farm animals are killed by hounds, and even one is too many. I can’t imagine the distress of seeing or finding the result.
Equally if I was out there walking my dogs and met a pack of hounds I would not panic, whereas even one single dog coming at me could well freak me out.
Yes. 1 dead pet is one too many and I cannot imagine how awful that would be to witness.
 
It's on the news fairly regularly, the Warwickshire (I think) (who chucked the carcass back over a garden fence) and cats the Meynell and alpacas, there are 3 or 4 other incidents who's pack I can't remember... Just because you can't find police records of it doesn't mean it hasn't been reported on.

Off the top of my head, the last one I remember that made the news was a pregnant alpaca in January last year. I'm sure they won't all be on BBC but that one was.
 
Found it! LACS are the source. That may be a bias you are comfortable with but this is not reliable in mine or the police's book tbh and not substantiated or verified. Other searches say there is very little information about hounds killing pets.

I don't have the time or inclination to go through every news report of every pet killed over the past year, but there have been enough reports on the BBC, yearly, for it to make me concerned about the safety of my animals on my own land. It's why I have invested a lot of money in fencing, and as mentioned upthread I have personally been attacked by a working farm dog and pet dog. Sadly there are a lot of irresponsible dog owners around, whether pet dog or working dog. I had a collie in my field last year which is clearly private land but some people just don't care, and it would be me who is liable if one of my horses kicked it. As said before it would be my worst nightmare for one of my small pets to be attacked or killed, but I doubt anyone else would care.

There have been enough personal accounts of hounds straying on this thread (the most recent Tiddlypom), I don't think it's a reach to imagine a pack of dogs, regardless of the breed, killing a small pet.
 
I don't have the time or inclination to go through every news report of every pet killed over the past year, but there have been enough reports on the BBC, yearly, for it to make me concerned about the safety of my animals on my own land. It's why I have invested a lot of money in fencing, and as mentioned upthread I have personally been attacked by a working farm dog and pet dog. Sadly there are a lot of irresponsible dog owners around, whether pet dog or working dog. I had a collie in my field last year which is clearly private land but some people just don't care, and it would be me who is liable if one of my horses kicked it. As said before it would be my worst nightmare for one of my small pets to be attacked or killed, but I doubt anyone else would care.

There have been enough personal accounts of hounds straying on this thread (the most recent Tiddlypom), I don't think it's a reach to imagine a pack of dogs, regardless of the breed, killing a small pet.
I understand and sympathise actually but I personally think the presentation of hounds killing pets is far worse than the reality. Such is the nature of the anti hunt lobby of course. It is dreadful for any pet, wild animal or livestock to be unsafe where they should be safe. No amount of shouting about hounds however will change the fact that the most damage to pets, wildlife and livestock is as a result of domestic pet dogs and cats.
 
I understand and sympathise actually but I personally think the presentation of hounds killing pets is far worse than the reality. Such is the nature of the anti hunt lobby of course. It is dreadful for any pet, wild animal or livestock to be unsafe where they should be safe. No amount of shouting about hounds however will change the fact that the most damage to pets, wildlife and livestock is as a result of domestic pet dogs and cats.
The big difference is that its not illegal to own pets. It is however illegal to hunt foxes with hounds in England at least. The guise of trail hunting just does not wash anymore. Hopefully the end of trail hunting is in sight now. Hunts that have behaved badly and continue to do so have only themselves to blame for this as they had the option to trail hunt legally.
Sadly as many of them seem to think the law does not apply to them and they continue to hunt.
Trail hunting will be banned before long so people need to get their heads round that fact.
 
How many pet deaths have there been as a result of rioting hounds please?
I don't think records are kept are they? My local pack are now absolutely trail hunting but they've had hounds run riot in the past - my neighbours goat dropped dead a couple of years ago when the hounds flushed out a fox on his land. The hounds weren't directly responsible but the goat was alive and kicking before the mayhem
 
The big difference is that its not illegal to own pets. It is however illegal to hunt foxes with hounds in England at least. The guise of trail hunting just does not wash anymore. Hopefully the end of trail hunting is in sight now. Hunts that have behaved badly and continue to do so have only themselves to blame for this as they had the option to trail hunt legally.
Sadly as many of them seem to think the law does not apply to them and they continue to hunt.
Trail hunting will be banned before long so people need to get their heads round that fact.
No, it's not illegal to own pets but they still commit wildlife crime and kill livestock to as a result of irresponsible owners/negligence or simply not caring what their pets are doing. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...sQFnoECC8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JwANde7FaA09Vr4MKGOHA

My point was about deaths caused by out of control dogs more generally.
 
Shouldn't we expect a higher standard from professional dog handlers than pet owners

I agree with that actually. But hounds should never, ever look at livestock, pets or chickens. Ever. Nor should working Gundogs, collies etc. any trained animal working at a distance needs to be beyond reproach.
 
Shouldn't we expect a higher standard from professional dog handlers than pet owners.
Yes, absolutely. Professional handlers, including farmers with working dogs should be licensed and those licences revoked where dogs are a nuisance. I do wonder too if domestic dog owners should at least have a basic licence and some evidence of understanding their responsibility and training issues. Domestic cats are also a significant issue in relation to wildlife and that needs to be recognised as well.
 
I understand and sympathise actually but I personally think the presentation of hounds killing pets is far worse than the reality. Such is the nature of the anti hunt lobby of course. It is dreadful for any pet, wild animal or livestock to be unsafe where they should be safe. No amount of shouting about hounds however will change the fact that the most damage to pets, wildlife and livestock is as a result of domestic pet dogs and cats.
Thats not the point though. We're discussing the impact of hound packs. Not pets.
 
Thats not the point though. We're discussing the impact of hound packs. Not pets.
Yes, but I was pointing out that the greatest damage done, and the greatest danger comes not from hounds but from domestic dogs. That is relevant I think because as someone who supports hound sports and working dogs more generally, I see the hypocrisy in sanctioning those things more harshly than the domestic pets that cause greater trouble.
 
Yes, but I was pointing out that the greatest damage done, and the greatest danger comes not from hounds but from domestic dogs. That is relevant I think because as someone who supports hound sports and working dogs more generally, I see the hypocrisy in sanctioning those things more harshly than the domestic pets that cause greater trouble.
but as already been stated below. Talking about domestic animals in this instance is just deflection. The important term here is working
Shouldn't we expect a higher standard from professional dog handlers than pet owners.

I agree with that actually. But hounds should never, ever look at livestock, pets or chickens. Ever. Nor should working Gundogs, collies etc. any trained animal working at a distance needs to be beyond reproach.
 
but as already been stated below. Talking about domestic animals in this instance is just deflection. The important term here is working
Well I agree that working dog handlers should have the highest standards and potentially serious sanctions if they fail to keep dogs under control: no issues with that at all.
 
Going back to the subject of hound rehoming, I think you have to take into account two particular considerations:

1. Breed characteristics

2. Being brought up in a kennel in a pack environment

Within that you will also have individual hound temperaments which can vary a lot even within the same breed. But it stands to reason that, say, a hound bred to be a pet and raised in a pet home will make an easier pet than a hunting bred hound of the same breed who has spent their entire life in a pack in kennels.

I am closely involved with the Coakham Bloodhounds who do have a successful rehoming scheme for their bloodhounds. Incidentally very few of the pack are purebred bloodhounds these days as the hounds have had some infusions of fellhound and coonhound blood over the years to breed a lighter, faster hound that still retains the amazing scenting ability of the traditional bloodhounds, as well as reducing the incidence of eye problems that many purebred bloodhounds have.

They have also been bred for excellent temperaments which does help when they need to be rehomed. We were remarking the other day that when the bloodhounds are taken out to shows and events during the summer to meet the public we never have to think about leaving any at home because they can’t be trusted with meeting strangers, they are all very friendly although some are more shy than others. But members of the public including children and babies can safely pet them without worry. I’m suspect if you took a random sample of domestic pet dogs and put them in the same situation things might be a bit more eventful!

However, despite their wonderful temperaments, they have been brought up as part of a pack in kennels so suitable homes have to be chosen carefully. Generally, they prefer to have other dogs for company and a country/farming home is usually the best fit. Thankfully with the hunt having a large equestrian following it is normally fairly easy to find such homes. Usually when a hound needs to be rehomed they are moved from the hunt kennels to the Huntsman’s property first where they can learn to adapt to a more domestic life and their suitability for rehoming can be assessed.
 
Done.

I may have used the word ‘shambolic’ more than once 🙃.
Update.

I have been visited in person by the hunt re the recent trespass on my land by rioting hounds. Apology and explanations offered and accepted. Antis were out making false horn calls and playing the gizmo which sent hounds off in a tizz.

If any antis are reading - do not interfere with hound control. That is not safe and it endangers the hounds as well as the public.
 
Update.

I have been visited in person by the hunt re the recent trespass on my land by rioting hounds. Apology and explanations offered and accepted. Antis were out making false horn calls and playing the gizmo which sent hounds off in a tizz.

If any antis are reading - do not interfere with hound control. That is not safe and it endangers the hounds as well as the public.

Honestly they would probably say that even if the antis weren't. Rather than admit they are a bit useless. Because it's *never* the hunts fault.
 
Update.

I have been visited in person by the hunt re the recent trespass on my land by rioting hounds. Apology and explanations offered and accepted. Antis were out making false horn calls and playing the gizmo which sent hounds off in a tizz.

If any antis are reading - do not interfere with hound control. That is not safe and it endangers the hounds as well as the public.
Im glad to read that at least
 
Honestly they would probably say that even if the antis weren't. Rather than admit they are a bit useless. Because it's *never* the hunts fault.
Of course its never the hunts fault. When they trespass, kill pets, cause problems on the roads, delay other road users, churn up grass verges, damage bridleways etc and accidentally hunt and kill foxes its always the sabs faults.
 
I'd want to see the start of the video to see if the sab moved before coming to any conclusions, weird they didn't include that bit.
well of course it would be the sabs fault as I said. Whats the excuse for no one checking to see if they were hurt? What normal person would see someone laying injured on the ground and just ride on by? Oh wait a min. The sab asked for it by protesting a illegal activity... They asked to be ran in to by a horse who would normally avoid running in to a human unless directed by a rider. If you ran someone over in your car, even if that person stepped in front of you would you leave them laying on the ground and drive on by?
 
I'd want to see the start of the video to see if the sab moved before coming to any conclusions, weird they didn't include that bit.
Irrespective of whether you agree with their stance on hunting or not they are still humans, why on earth would they not check that they were alright?! It takes a certain level of callousness to ignore them.

I can't stand Donald Trump, but when I heard he'd been shot, I still thought it was awful...
 
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